Back in September 2010 I addressed a clever rhetorical gem that has become quite popular among atheists. It’s what I’ve come to call the “one less God zinger.” It appears in several different forms, but could be summed up by the following representation: “We’re all atheists. Christians are atheists with respect to all gods but their own, while I am an atheist with respect to all gods, including your own. When you understand why you reject all other gods, you’ll understand why I reject all gods.”
I invited your criticisms of this zinger, and offered a couple of my own. Since then I have stumbled on other apologists’ response to it, allowing me to further develop my own. What follows is an updated evaluation and counter-responses.
One of the most important things to note about the zinger is how ambiguous it is. What message is it attempting to convey? Different versions seem to emphasize different things. So first we must clarify its intended meaning/purpose:
- Is it a challenge to Christians to be rationally consistent? Translation: “Christians are just as rational as atheists when it comes to evaluating the claims of religions other than Christianity. If they would only apply that reason to Christianity they would become atheists too.”
- Is it an argument for atheism? Translation: “Reasonable people reject the existence of all gods.”
- Is the purpose to say atheism and theism aren’t much different after all? Translation: “You already reject the other 14 million gods out there. I simply reject 14 million and one gods. What’s the big difference?”
- Is it supposed to help the theist understand why the atheist is an atheist? Translation: “Just as you reject millions of gods because you have no reason to believe they exist, I take the next step by rejecting all gods because I have no reason to believe any exist.”
Plea for Consistency
If we are to understand it in the first sense, then the zinger fails for two reasons. First, it falsely presupposes that the reason Christians reject all gods other than their own is because they have looked in vain for evidence supporting the existence of those other gods. Most Christians, however, do not reject the existence of other gods because they failed to find evidential support in favor of their existence. They have rejected those gods as false because they know competing religious claims cannot all be right, and they believe Christianity is the true religion. If Christianity is true—and Christianity teaches that there is only one God—then all other so-called deities do not exist. The approach of most Christians to other religions is like the counterfeit expert who is looking for the one genuine bill in the midst of a pile of counterfeits. Once he finds the real thing, he feels no need to continue examining all the remaining bills.
Secondly, it falsely presumes that—like all other religions—there is no evidence to support the truth claims of Christianity. Not so. There are good reasons to think Christian theism is true such as the existence of contingent beginnings, the beginning of the universe, the existence of objective moral values and duties, the existence of consciousness, freedom of the will, the resurrection of Jesus Christ, and fulfilled prophecies.
Argument for Atheism
If we are to understand the zinger in the second sense, then it just begs the question against the rationality of theism. If being reasonable is defined as being atheistic, then theism is unreasonable by definitional fiat. Talk about stacking the deck!
Minimal Difference
If we are to understand the zinger in the third sense, it fails to persuade because the issue is not about the relative number of gods one believes in, but about one’s worldview. Worldviews which include at least one divine being are radically different from worldviews which lack any and all divine beings. A world without God is a world in which existence itself, moral values and duties, consciousness, and free will make little sense and/or lack any ontological foundation.
Self-explanation
The fourth sense is probably the least problematic of them all. If the atheist’s purpose is to help theists understand why he is an atheist, then it serves this purpose well. That is not to say that the atheist’s assumption about why Christians reject other gods, or his assumption that the evidential basis for Christianity is equivalent to the evidential basis for all other religions is accurate. It’s not. But it does help Christians better understand the atheist’s reasoning process and reveal his assumptions.
All Forms
All forms of the zinger fail because they abuse language. To say Christians are atheists with respect to other religions is to use “atheist” in a way that no one recognizes the term today. An atheist is someone who believes no deities exist, not someone who believes in some deity(ies) but not others. A Muslim, for example, would not view me as an atheist, but as a theist who espouses a rival deity.
To make this point clear, turn the tables by offering the following zinger of your own (the best one-liner response, in my opinion): “We are all theists. I just believe in one more god than you do.” This follows the same form as the atheist’s zinger. In the same way he would not accept this characterization as anything less than an abuse of language for rhetorical effect, we should not accept the one-less-God-zinger as anything more than rhetorical showboating intended to impress those who lack critical thinking skills.
April 26, 2011 at 9:48 am
Jason,
If you believe Christianity on faith and laugh at the miraculous claims of other religions, then you are treating the other religions in the same way as atheists.
I remember a young conservative Christian telling me that the “extra books” in the Catholic Bible are false and stories like Daniel and the Dragon are “fairy tales.” No doubt he would have said the same about Jesus casting spirits into pigs or angels/gods mating with human women and spawning giants, except he believes on faith that the truncated evangelical canon is right and all else is wrong.
I doubt one really believes in the truncated canon by “knowing” those books and only those books are true, so there’s no need to investigate other books. Rather, it’s a belief of faith contrary to history, believed because one is told to believe it. The RCC and EO have held to a canon including the deuterocanonicals from the time of Jesus to this day.
Arthur
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April 26, 2011 at 11:16 am
Arthur,
If by “faith” you mean “blind faith,” I think it should be obvious that I don’t believe Christianity on faith in that sense. And the reason I reject the miracle claims of other religions is two-fold: (1) the evidence for them is not good; (2) because if Christianity is true, then those other religions must be false.
Jason
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April 26, 2011 at 12:23 pm
I believe that the first option is the one intended – a call to consistency – and while it might not apply to you, it applies to many. I would point out, too, that most of the arguments for Christianity you list above such as morality and contingency are not specific to Christianity, just the resurrection and fulfilled prophecies. But those are sufficient.
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April 26, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Arthur,
I think different atheists mean different things by it. I tend to think 1 and 4 are the most popular meanings.
Yes, that is true. They are arguments for theism in general. But getting from atheism to theism is a much bigger step than getting from theism to Christianity.
Jason
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May 4, 2012 at 11:40 am
The christian bibles has so many lies and fraud in there it’s not even funny. The churches even try to hide there tracks with “old testaments” , “new testaments” junks.
Try the truth:
http://www.godisimaginary.com
read and think outside the box, you will find the real world is much bigger than the church.
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May 4, 2012 at 11:51 am
Now-a-day street magician can turn water into wine, make things appear and disappear at will. They can make dead birds live and fly again, too. Those would be miracles by church’s standard.
Try searching about Mother Teresa’s doubt but dare not speaking out publicly. And here are some more to read
http://www.clergyproject.org
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August 2, 2012 at 11:09 am
athe ist:
What are the specifics of the miracle of Jesus turning water into wine as recorded in the bible?
Your generalized claim that street magicians do it is pretty vacuous…
Let me know if you know the specifics of the account of Jesus turning water into wine and then you can point to a modern day parallel that’s meaningful, then we have something to talk about.
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August 2, 2012 at 11:12 am
athe ist:
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The christian bibles has so many lies and fraud in there it’s not even funny. The churches even try to hide there tracks with “old testaments” , “new testaments” junks.
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First; it would be helpful if you could define what you MEAN by “there are so many lies and fraud”.
Secondly i’d be interested if you could point out one or two of the most obvious places where you think that lies and fraud have occurred. It should be a piece of cake if there are so many it’s “not even funny”….right?
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December 4, 2012 at 9:45 am
[…] two separate posts I have addressed a common piece of atheist rhetoric that I like to call the “one less God […]
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January 31, 2013 at 6:38 pm
Reblogged this on Tnmusicman's Blog and commented:
A great post for those that hear the nonsense phrase that “we’re all atheists”.
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March 13, 2013 at 10:07 am
Nice coverage, Jason. I think the redefinition of “atheist” in the first part of the “zinger” is transparent to anyone who actually take a second to think. The meat of it is which god(s) and/or religion(s) are rejected and why. As you say, the implication is that the atheist’s reason for rejecting one person’s religion/god is that person’s reason for rejecting all other religions/gods, which entirely presumptuous and certainly not true for many people. Any *truly* rational and reasonable person will not brush all gods/religions under the rug with the same stroke. Objectively, there is no reason to believe that there is no more merit to some than others. In fact, I have come upon countless atheists on the web whose purported reasons for their atheism are, rationally speaking, ridiculous. Likewise, some prominent intellectuals have come to a belief in a form of deism or theism from a rational analysis of the evidence.
Anyway, as clearly fallacious as “zingers” like this are, it’s good to hash them out like this to “debunk” them for others.
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March 13, 2013 at 10:14 am
@athe ist
“read and think outside the box, you will find the real world is much bigger than the church”
Of course, I don’t know anyone who thinks otherwise. I also encourage you to take your own advice. Boxes don’t just fit theists, fyi.
“The churches even try to hide there tracks with ‘old testaments’ , ‘new ‘testaments’ junks.”
Eh? Please, do elaborate.
I think Robert has covered the rest of your claims/comments.
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