In response to various cosmological and teleological arguments for the existence of a creator God some atheists appeal to the principle of parsimony—often dubbed “Ockham’s Razor”—to argue that invoking God to explain our cosmic origins is both unnecessary and unhelpful. Introducing a divine being to explain the origin of the universe is said to be less parsimonious than simply acknowledging that the universe popped into existence uncaused from absolutely nothing.
I wonder how these individuals would respond if we tried using this line of reasoning to explain the origin of Moby Dick? “Yes, we could postulate an author to explain the origin of those complex, specified markings that convey meaningful information, but that would be to add an extremely complex entity into the picture to explain a less complex entity. Given the principle of parsimony, it is more reasonable to believe the book wrote itself.” We would reject such an explanation, and for good reason: it lacks the power to explain what needs to be explained. The principle of parsimony does not claim that the explanation with the fewest causal entities is to be preferred, but rather that the explanation that posits the fewest causal entities capable of explaining the effect in question is to be preferred. How can the absence of any causal entity explain an effect? While postulating the absence of a causal entity is simpler than postulating the presence of a casual entity, it cannot be considered a more parsimonious explanation because it fails to explain the effect in question. At least one causal entity is required to explain any given effect. William Lane Craig puts it well:
Ockham’s Razor tells us not to posit causes beyond necessity. That is to say, we are justified in postulating only such causes as are necessary to explain the effect; any more would be gratuitous. In the case of the universe, Ockham’s Razor shaves away polytheistic explanations of the origin of the universe, since only one transcendent, personal Creator is necessary. On atheism there just is no explanation of the origin of the universe. And no explanation is not a simpler explanation.[1] (emphasis added)
While Ockham’s Razor can be invoked to argue for monotheism against polytheism, it makes no sense to invoke the Razor on behalf of atheism.
[1]William Lane Craig, “Time and the Kalam Cosmological Argument”; available from http://www.reasonablefaith.org/time-and-the-kalam-cosmological-argument; Internet; accessed 11 May 2012.
June 7, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I think it is really disingenuous (usually anyway) to use “first cause” arguments for the existence of God. Because the part of that argument that gets sliced off by Occam’s Razor is not that there is A CAUSE, but that the cause is called GOD and he (assumption) is all-powerful (assumption) has a consciousness (assumption) is intelligent (assumption) has a plan (obviously a cylon) is the only one of his kind (assumption) is outside of nature (assumption) wishes to be worshipped (assumption) should be worshipped (assumption) communicates to humans (assumption) is knowable and true things have been written about him (assumption) created the earth, life and the heavens spontaneously in their modern forms without the use of the mechanism of evolution yet made it appear as though he did (assumption) created human beings “in his own imagine” (whatever that means) wants us to be happy (assumption) gives each of us an eternal soul at conception (assumption)….ad nauseum.
Cosmologists do not think that the universe came from nothing – but from an extremely low-entropy “seed”. If you want to call that “seed” God or whatever triggered the expansion God and proceed to worship it – that’s fine. However, don’t pretend that the first cause argument has anything to do with any traditional culturally defined god concept.
It makes just as much sense to argue for the existence of God by pointing at the sun and saying – look it shines on everyone, it is the source of nearly all energy on earth, without it we would die, without it there would be no life, the energy coming from it fueled evolution on earth over millions of years giving birth to life and it is the source of all life even now. The sun is God. God exists.
The only thing that makes that argument unsatisfying to your average theist is that they do not think of the Sun as intelligent, purposeful or personal. Yet, they will make those assumptions concerning first cause.
Now, having said that, I do not think that it is reasonable to say that somehow Occam’s Razor disproves the existence of God, or even a Creator God or even whomever your personal God may be. Occam’s Razor is used simply to point out what explanations are preferred, not which ones are true. It’s simply not an avenue to disproving anything because we may just find out there IS a tea pot floating around in orbit somewhere. The scientific community just decided that assuming that were true was not useful to further inquiry, so we decided to limit assumptions as much as possible when discussing stuff.
Now, if you wish to make those assumptions related to your personal God concept, that is up to you. However, be honest about it. If you tie your proof of God to “whatever initiated the expansion of the observable universe” I doubt very much that you are getting close to proving anything remotely resembling in complexity and meaning that which millions call “God”.
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June 7, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Reblogged this on SINMANTYX and commented:
I think it is really disingenuous (usually anyway) to use “first cause” arguments for the existence of God. Because the part of that argument that gets sliced off by Occam’s Razor is not that there is A CAUSE, but that the cause is called GOD and he (assumption) is all-powerful (assumption) has a consciousness (assumption) is intelligent (assumption) has a plan (obviously a cylon) is the only one of his kind (assumption) is outside of nature (assumption) wishes to be worshipped (assumption) should be worshipped (assumption) communicates to humans (assumption) is knowable and true things have been written about him (assumption) created the earth, life and the heavens spontaneously in their modern forms without the use of the mechanism of evolution yet made it appear as though he did (assumption) created human beings “in his own imagine” (whatever that means) wants us to be happy (assumption) gives each of us an eternal soul at conception (assumption)….ad nauseum.
Cosmologists do not think that the universe came from nothing – but from an extremely low-entropy “seed”. If you want to call that “seed” God or whatever triggered the expansion God and proceed to worship it – that’s fine. However, don’t pretend that the first cause argument has anything to do with any traditional culturally defined god concept.
It makes just as much sense to argue for the existence of God by pointing at the sun and saying – look it shines on everyone, it is the source of nearly all energy on earth, without it we would die, without it there would be no life, the energy coming from it fueled evolution on earth over millions of years giving birth to life and it is the source of all life even now. The sun is God. God exists.
The only thing that makes that argument unsatisfying to your average theist is that they do not think of the Sun as intelligent, purposeful or personal. Yet, they will make those assumptions concerning first cause.
Now, having said that, I do not think that it is reasonable to say that somehow Occam’s Razor disproves the existence of God, or even a Creator God or even whomever your personal God may be. Occam’s Razor is used simply to point out what explanations are preferred, not which ones are true. It’s simply not an avenue to disproving anything because we may just find out there IS a tea pot floating around in orbit somewhere. The scientific community just decided that assuming that were true was not useful to further inquiry, so we decided to limit assumptions as much as possible when discussing stuff.
Now, if you wish to make those assumptions related to your personal God concept, that is up to you. However, be honest about it. If you tie your proof of God to “whatever initiated the expansion of the observable universe” I doubt very much that you are getting close to proving anything remotely resembling in complexity and meaning that which millions call “God”.
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June 8, 2012 at 11:28 am
Melby said pretty much exactly what I was going to say. I’ve explored this further in discussing the Kalam Cosmological Argument in this video:
Toward the end, I point out how observations from this universe–if they are in any way indicative of what any god might be like–would strongly suggest a god that is nothing at all like the God of the Bible.
I would also like to add, though, that we KNOW exactly how books are written. We’ve seen it done, we know the exact process, and we have countless examples (I just finished writing and publishing my own novel, for that matter!). We KNOW that books don’t reproduce and that they don’t readily interact with other elements to change on their own through natural selective processes. Cosmology and evolution DO include reproduction and natural selective change, so they’re not a fair comparison. A better analogy for a violation of Occam’s Razor would be to read Moby Dick and assume a god created it, rather than creation by naturalistic processes (i.e., humans). To do so would not be parsimonious.
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June 9, 2012 at 7:33 am
…or assume that a book was written by divine inspiration and should be considered the inerrant eternal Word of God; instead of a book written by people within their cultural and personal context motivated by their own expressions and agendas like every other piece of literature ever.
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June 9, 2012 at 8:03 am
Well, I was looking to jump in on this and make a few comments but it appears as if M.A. Melby and Derek Mathias already beat me to it. They make the exact same objections I was going to raise. Your analogy is faulty.
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January 27, 2016 at 10:12 am
Books are not written by random undirected processes show me one non deterministic process that carries information inherently. Codes, languages, algorithms, etc. are never produced randomly. Sunlight is certainly necessary for processes such as photosynthesis but it takes deterministic tools to make use of the sunlight. We have the chemical formulas that show what happens during photosynthesis but show me the boundary conditions that would allow for the spontaneous development of all the biological machinery (code included to perform the process)
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January 27, 2016 at 11:30 am
“…………show me the boundary conditions that would allow for the spontaneous development……….”
Do you seriously believe that if somebody cannot show you the codes at this time that they are forever due to remain a mystery?
You’ve got to be kidding. The Human Genome Project was a 13-year-long, publicly funded project initiated in 1990 with the objective of determining the DNA sequence of the entire euchromatic human genome within 15 years and only in the last 5 years has it catapulted to readings that now can be performed hundreds per day, an event as impossible to be thought about 30 years ago. The DNA Breakthrough……….. but Richard we are getting closer and closer to approve your request. Soon, as bizarre as you are requesting it NOW, the code will be at the fingertips of man, if we live long enough to move out of the Nuclear Age into the New Clear Age.
I am an optimist, a realist and a rationalist but I am not a discredited believerist.
Did you know that mankind lived in the dark in caves for hundreds of thousands of years? Your demand is utterly unreasonable. And you knew it was unreasonable the moment you penned it.
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