A 69 year old Dutch man, Emile Ratelband, is petitioning a court to legally change his age to 49. For him, it is an exercise of personal autonomy: “With this free(dom) of choice, choice of name, freeness of gender, I want to have my own age. I want to control myself.” He told The Washington Post that “we can make our own decisions if we want to change our name, or if we want to change our gender. So I want to change my age. My feeling about my body and about my mind is that I’m about 40 or 45.”
Absurd, right? Yes, but not given the logic of the transgender movement. If we have absolute autonomy over ourselves, such that we can deny biological reality due to our feelings, it’s not a stretch to think we have the autonomy to deny historical reality because of our feelings too. If feelings rather than biology determine one’s gender, then why can’t feelings rather than history determine one’s age?
Of course, this leads to absurdities. A man who is historically 60 years old but feels like his true age is 40 would have to say that he is not old enough to remember the first moon landing, when in fact, he would have been 9 years old at the time and surely remembers the historic event. And how would he determine his historical age at any given point in the past? Would he divide the number of days he’s lived (21,900) by 40 to arrive at his own personal year of 547.5 days? Something that happened when he was actually 45 would have to be redefined to age 30?
What if someone feels older than they are? Why can’t a person say they feel like their true age is 150, and since no one can live to be 150 years old, they are actually dead rather than alive? What if that person tells others to stop telling him that he’s alive, because he finds it offensive? If autonomy means we have a right to our own biological and historical reality, why can’t we determine whether we are dead or alive? Of course, that’s absurd. But so is thinking that a man is truly a woman simply because he feels that way. There is no end to the absurdities we can concoct once we enthrone feelings as the true reality.
UPDATE: The court denied Ratelband’s request. They didn’t reject his request because it is a denial of historical reality, but because of undesirable and unworkable practical problems. They wrote, “[U]nlike the situation with respect to a change in registered name or gender, there are a variety of rights and duties related to age, such as the right to vote and the duty to attend school. If Mr Ratelband’s request was allowed, those age requirements would become meaningless. … Mr Ratelband is at liberty to feel 20 years younger than his real age and to act accordingly, but amending his date of birth would cause 20 years of records to vanish from the register of births, deaths, marriages and registered partnerships. This would have a variety of undesirable legal and societal implications.” Couldn’t the same be said regarding gender? Aren’t there undesirable legal and societal implications for declaring a biological male to be a female? It has undesirable societal implications for girls’ sports and girls’ privacy in public restrooms. It creates legal problems as well. So why allow people to legally change their gender but not their age? What’s the principled difference?
November 15, 2018 at 7:43 pm
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November 16, 2018 at 12:49 am
I think you are getting away from reality when you talk about feelings dictating gender. It is not feeling, it is biological. Gender is not a feeling that’s a superficial spin. As I have said more than once gender is not determined by what’s between your legs, gender is determined but what’s between your ears..in other words, your brain.
The brain is the seat that defines you, you don’t hear with your ear, where you hear is in the brain. A man’s brain is stimulated by woman’s beauty and a woman’s brain is stimulated by a man’s body but sometimes the body brain gets switched and if you can’t see that, you’re not really looking. You are stuck spinning your tires, not progressing, getting nowhere, it’s one of the reasons that the bible is outdated.
And if you don’t believe the bible is outdated your brain is outdated too:
“When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination… end of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how to follow them.
Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual unseemliness – Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?
Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
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November 17, 2018 at 8:32 am
Consider this: Some people are old at 18; Some are young at 90 …Time is a concept that humans created.
It’s better to walk alone, than with a crowd going in the wrong direction.
Have you ever wondered where compassion comes from? Gentleness?
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November 17, 2018 at 8:38 am
Or Click on title “Sweet Mama Dog Interaction”.
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November 17, 2018 at 12:53 pm
easy to solve for your age and many other things, just have two boxes to fill in. box #1 is the facts — your actual age, sex, height, weight, etc…. box #2 is what you “feel” —- your age is, your sex is, your height is, your weight is, etc…
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November 17, 2018 at 2:13 pm
Paul V:
Please………I don’t understand your # 1 ………..#2….. can you explain ?
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November 17, 2018 at 2:53 pm
ltg …… it should be crystal clear but I’ll use the example in the post. “A man who is historically 60 years old but feels like his true age is 40” would fill out a form asking his age as follows: age box #1 this man puts his age as 60, age box #2 this man puts his age as 40.
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November 17, 2018 at 11:18 pm
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November 19, 2018 at 4:26 pm
only if you own a ship. don’t you see the problem if your legal age is not your actual age ? I could say I’m 65 give me my pension check. some one could say I’m only 14 so I can’t be charged as an adult even though they were born in 1960. a 40 yr old man can have sex with a 12 year old girl and say he’s only 12 you can’t charge me. you could get younger every year. that’s why if this goes ahead we need two boxes #1 is facts and #2 is feelings.
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November 19, 2018 at 4:52 pm
Of course it is absurd to change one’s age. There are times when a 15 year old wants to join the military and does so on a false age claim and one or two years is not unusual but what one believes can take one to the brink of insanity. Nevertheless one wide brush that fits all is not the answer either for example a female brain trapped in a man’s body or vice versa is another matter other than the mere description of “feelings”.
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November 21, 2018 at 2:53 pm
I agree it’s absurd to change ones age because your age is a fact. but as long as the person admits the fact that they are 60 they can say they feel 40. this is the problem with gender —– it a fact a person is male even if they feel they are female or have had a sex change.
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November 21, 2018 at 4:29 pm
Paul: If you can understand that anomalies occur physically why can you not accept anomalies in brain sensory perceptions. To me this is not a stretch of the imagination to accept.
There is Body/Mind; Soul/ Emotion, Spirit /Will. The Human Trinity but one cannot, not exclude, interchangeability and it attendant misfortunes that’s why you have murderers and the murdered by belief, speculation, non knowledge, bitterness, evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego. The universe is just fine; it’s the earth that’s a fecking mess.
Abnormalities abound in human births, not all of which have known causes thalidomide babies, poliomyelitis, Zika Virus, Environmental factors, parasitic factors. Follow the cycle of parasites that take over the brains of ants and other insects making them act bizarre:
Kamikaze horsehair worm (Paragordius tricuspidatus)
One of these worms can grow up to a foot long, and look like a cooked piece of spaghetti. But to get to that point, it needs a house cricket or grasshopper to do its bidding.
The worm coerces the cricket into jumping slap bang into the nearest body of water
First, a tiny horsehair worm larva is eaten by the larva of another insect, such as a mosquito or mayfly. Once this emerges from the water, a cricket or grasshopper will snatch it up. Then the horsehair worm begins to develop inside the cricket in earnest.
But the worm’s final stage of development takes place in water. The cricket wouldn’t normally swim, or even hang out near water, so the worm must get it there.
By altering the functions of the cricket’s central nervous system, the worm coerces it into jumping slap bang into the nearest body of water. The hapless cricket then drowns itself, allowing the horsehair worm to emerge and reproduce.
Humans?
Ambiguous genitalia (also known as atypical genitalia) which you may call a birth defect (or others may call a birth variation) of the sex organs that makes it unclear whether an affected newborn is a girl or boy. … The baby seems to have a mixture of both female and male parts – for example, they may have both a vulva and testicles.
So how would you expect the brain to respond to the mixture, respond without the mixture, respond with a mixed up mixture or a mixture mix. It is a myopic view to take ancient beliefs as a guide or even today’s society’s norm and reject the abnorm; that’s how the deformed were treated in biblical days even by religious zealots; deformities were the signs of sins and sinners. Come on.
The problem is not the Gender you’re beholding; that’s a problem misplaced, the problem is the Beholder not the Gender.
We think civilization is a static thing but it is a progressive thing, there is no civilization yet, as long as you still have religion, prisons, military, hunger, disease and disparities dictating humanity, civilization is an infant still.
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November 27, 2018 at 7:49 pm
ltg ….. you miss the point. you can feel you’re a girl, you can think you’re a girl, you can believe you are a girl but if you were born with a penis it’s a fact you are a boy. just like this fellow is denying the fact he is not 69. it is absurd for me to say I’m a 14 year old girl just like it is absurd for me to say I’m a 58 year old women. and when doing legal stuff we have to deal with the facts that’s why the 2 box form is the only solution —- box #1 is the facts and box #2 is for feelings.
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November 27, 2018 at 9:04 pm
Paul…..you miss the point; this has nothing to do with a feeling, a thought, or a belief, you can be hung like a horse but if you have a female brain you will be subject to its opposite attraction. You can have the shape and beauty of Ms Universe but if you have a male brain you will be attracted to its opposite and that will not be Mr America. This is not martian science.
Belief has been bastardized by religion, supernaturalism and superstition so belief is not a criterion that determines gender, feelings also are often mistakenly attributed as mere under willful control and sometimes are actors and actresses have a gift for it but deep seat compassion, rage and tears of joy and sorrow derive from the seat of emotion, commonly called the soul or the heart and thoughts can be easily manipulated by any sensory perception or by no sensory perception, random neuron activation can give us nightmares or sweet dreams.
But to say that another person’s gender is as superficial and shallow as repetitious prayer, a childish whim or ransom thought is to deny the reality of the greatest of all human experiences, sexuality, the essence of life itself to those who experience life differently than your self, different even than the majority but it is indeed an integral human experience and has always been since ancient temple pimps and new testament eunuchs.
Religious books of different religions say it is a curse to those people and that’s why God deprived them from happiness of being menwomen and womenmen. Or it is the result of sin they have done in their previous life or the sins of the father. If it is true then in next 50 years the world should be full of eunuchs or LGBT people because we all are sinners in disguise aren’t we, at least that is how the religious hierarchy would have you believe, to laden you with the guilt of their own deficiencies.
Maybe the religious can pray the antidote vaccine into existence; do you suppose that’ll work?
It’s what’s between your ears, in the brain where gender is determined.
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November 27, 2018 at 9:06 pm
Paul V:
Comes as quite a surprise sometimes to discover that animals have souls, of course they do, otherwise they’d be vegetables. You see, the fact that you’ve got a soul doesn’t prove that you’re Man, it simply proves that you’re not a vegetable. I mean, that’s encouraging. When I was a boy at school the teacher who taught was never ever convinced that I was anything but a vegetable.
If I go to a house I’ve never visited before and there’s a dog between me and the door, I don’t look at the door, because I’m reasonably satisfied as to how the door’s going to behave, it’ll probably swing on its hinges. I’m a little concerned how the dog’s going to behave. But I can’t read its mind, I don’t know whether its thinking benevolent thoughts, whether it welcomes my presence or whether it’s hostile. I wonder which end of its anatomy is going to get into action, it’s tail or its teeth. And so I watch it.
If it’s one of those fluffy little things, you know, with one ear up and the other ear down, and half a grin on its face and it comes wiggling in my direction, rubs itself up and down on my leg, I’m encouraged. But if on the other hand it gets back on its haunches and its tail goes between its legs and its ears go back and it bares its teeth and it there’s a grumbling noise on the inside, I get the message. And I stay where I am until the man’s come, called off the dog and go through the door.
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November 27, 2018 at 9:11 pm
Paul V.
Hearing like sexuality and gender is a purely mechanical process.
I use my thoracic and abdominal muscles so that I can use my thoracic cavity as a bellows to produce a draft of air that will pass across my larynx and by tautening or slackening the vocal chords, I’ll produce vibrations that are projected into the atmosphere and caught by two cup shaped appendages which you have on the side of your head and they’re focused on the outer membrane called the eardrum that begins to vibrate in harmony with the vibrations that I’m producing in my throat and you see, attached to that outer membrane, the eardrum, there’s a little bone called the hammer that’s in contact with another little bone called the anvil and it begins to strike it, motivated by the eardrum in harmony with the vibrations that I’m producing in my throat and that little bone, the anvil, is in touch with another little bone called the stirrup, so called, because it’s like what you might use if you were riding a horse and that, in its turn, is in contact with an inner membrane that contains fluid and the vibrations are communicated through the fluid to the nerve end that then convey an impulse to a certain area of your brain; and then, you know exactly what I’m talking about.
You see, it’s purely a mechanical process. You don’t hear anything with your ear, you know that, vibrations are simply communicated, where you hear is in the brain. It’s your brain stupid. Not what’s between your legs!
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November 27, 2018 at 9:22 pm
Paul V:
The eyes are a conduit to the brain; you don’t see with your eyes, where you see is in your brain like hearing. What more scientific literature do you need to understand simplicity, anatomy is not dominant, anatomy is merely a conduit to the pilot’s seat where actuality reigns supreme.
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November 28, 2018 at 11:15 am
LTG …… in some rare instances some abnormalities occur but by definition “a boy has a penis and a girl has a vagina.” this means it’s a fact if you have a penis you are male and if you have a vagina you are a girl. but you can call a tail a leg and redefine as donkey as an animal with 5 legs if you so choose, we know a donkey has 4 legs.
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November 28, 2018 at 11:35 am
LTG ……. I find it interesting how you argue. have I ever said abnormalities don’t occur and to reject a person’s “feelings” that they have a “female brain?” If so let me clarify — that does occur but legally we have to deal with facts not feelings. so if you are 69 you are 69 not matter what you feel you age is. and if you are born with a penis/vagina you are male/female no matter what you feel your gender is. since this silliness will not end the only solution is the 2 box scenario as I stated above. Off topic but animals even people don’t have “souls” they/we are “living souls.” the indestructible part of a person can better be summed up as “mind” not soul. human soul (like in the movie ghost, harry potter, etc ….) is a pagan fabrication.
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November 28, 2018 at 11:59 am
LTG …….. unless I missed something you admitted that me saying I’m a 14 year old girl is absurd. so logically you should agree that me saying I’m a 58 year old women is also absurd.
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November 28, 2018 at 1:08 pm
Paul V
No. You did miss something. I did not say that you, personally, saying you are a 14 year girl is absurd. I said: “Of course it is absurd to change one’s age.” but added that a few years is not uncommon. Comparing the age you feel and the sex you are, are comparing apples and orangutans and a weird extrapolation.
The only people who would claim that gender is a feeling is somebody who is not in the other person shoes and among the “normal” group of cocks and hens without the empathic ability to understand the difference. It reminds me of why the world hates Jews but can’t put their finger on why.
And the absurdity of comparing age autonomy to gender autonomy is an exercise that says more about this Dutch national without discretionary insight, that this story is about, than the group he disparages and of course that is what he is trying to argue.
\It’s not the age he is trying to change; it’s the group he is trying to disparage, please don’t think this person has any autonomy agenda; if you, the dupe buy into this fellow’s charade you are more the fool than the duper who has succeeded getting you to argue his absurdity like a proselyte regurgitating the resurrection from the dead instead of the resurrection from the place of the dead. One is normal and one is paranormal.
You Paul V surprise me; I would not have expected you to have been so easily duped. On the other hand I could be easily persuaded you are being the devil’s advocate because I have read many of your posts and found them to be wisely thoughtful and thoughtfully wise.
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November 28, 2018 at 7:16 pm
LTG ….. it’s exactly the same argument for changing your age and sex — and both are absurd and will lead to kaos if this becomes part of the legal landscape. if person “A” can change their sex, person “B” can change their age. are some of these people are suffering mental illness ? — the answer is yes. is there abnormalities in some male/female brains that leads to “gender confusion ?” — the answer is yes. so when he gets the brain scan proving he has a female brain he can call himself she and fill out the form as follows box #1 male, box #2 female
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November 28, 2018 at 7:25 pm
LTG ……. the facts are on my side so I’m not the one being duped.
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November 28, 2018 at 8:34 pm
The facts are not on your side Paul V. That fact is that the age thing is merely a conscious decision not determined by factors as strong as the life forces itself. This Dutch dude is just a sarcastic way of disparaging those people who are born the way they are not the way they decide. What man or woman would be drawn to a member of the same apparent sex if not a birthright? We might want to call it a defect, many people whose compassion is slim and empathy none do but the people who are born that way would challenge that characterization for the less derogatory term, “variation”.
I am a male and I am only drawn to women like a magnet, like a moth to a flame but I have enough imagination to understand what others would feel like if the role was a variation, it would be no less intense I imagine but the intense challenge for the gay or lesbian people is facing a world that does not accept the birthright or worse, a world that openly mock someone else’s birthright different than their own. It must be indeed a suffering plight for some.
I think about what it must be like for Jews to be en garde for anti-semitism nut jobs who want to AK47 the synagogues. It would I imagine be as challenging to have to live as a gender variant with the inflicted guilt from the “normal” caste as black people are forced to live with white nationalists who belittle and disparage people of darker skin colour. I think they both face a bigotry that many of us only hear about on the news but to them who face it daily, not so pretty.
Even Jesus was belittled and spat on and dragged through the streets in shame because he challenged the religious insanity of hypocrisy, bigotry and hatred. This is never far from your own door so be thankful and vigilant lest you fall in disrepute with the idiocy within humanity.
Jesus never thought gender birthright was absurd he never said anything against the LGBT community but he said not everybody is capable of receiving the understanding enough to be tolerant of the difference.
Matt 19:11-12…soak it up:
11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
Receive it Paul V and you will be closer to truth.
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November 29, 2018 at 9:09 am
Paul V:
Would you be okay with in vitro genetic editing that would eliminate the anomaly of misinformation so that babies would not have to grow into ostracized adults through no fault of their own having male bodies with female brains? And female bodies with male brains.
Or are you of the opinion that in vitro genetic manipulation is contrary to “God’s” plan and is Satan’s disassault that this type of direct intervention threatens to distort our understanding of children as gift, to children being treated as products of choice and intention. That is, germline manipulation seems to regard the child as a product that can be improved upon, rather than a gift from God.
Religion, of all the disciplines in society, is the first to reject vaccines, changes and attempts of manipulation for the improvement and/or otherwise preventative medical intervention for quality of life.
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November 29, 2018 at 4:26 pm
LTG …… the facts are on my side. I’m not denying there are abnormalities — a male/female that has a penis and a female brain. that is not the argument, the argument is do you make a male/female legally a female. that is absurd and leads to all kinds of problems you ignore. perverts could say they are male/female and demand access to women’s bathrooms/changing areas. even the rare true cases of male/female (facts are some perverts will use this, some mentally ill people will use this and some band wagoner’s will use this) you are infringing on the rights of the female/female persons that want to use the bathroom/change room penis free and they should have that right. this has nothing to do with religion, it’s about a small segment demanding special rights. I’m sorry these people have a penis and a female brain and perhaps we should build private bathrooms for them as required but until that time they should use a stall in the men’s bathroom and stop demanding we force the female/female to share their bathroom/changing rooms with them.
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November 29, 2018 at 5:19 pm
Paul V:
Maybe the answer is in Designer Vaccines; an anti-pervert vaccine, an anti-semitism vaccine, whatever you don’t like, create an anti-whatever vaccine. It may be sufficient in some cases to design a common sense enhancer pill but common sense doesn’t stop finger beading, genuflecting, chanting, trance dancing, hen pecking, repetitive prayer, hate, bullying, kill desire, war or robots of protocol without discretionary insight, munchausen syndrome, mean spiritedness or tears of sorrow, pain and suffering.
In the spirit of the season, I suppose you can send me a wish list and try to fulfill it but humanity seems to be stuck between the demands made to SANTA and the demands made to SANTA’S variant, by switching one alpha character “N” from the middle of SANTA and putting it as the end character to get SATAN.
That’s the Good and Bad of humanity, the mixture of which is the Ugly.
What do we know for sure? Male and Female made s/he them and none was born nor could be born except s/he that came from a woman. Except in these days of designer babies.
Chinese scientists have:
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November 29, 2018 at 5:23 pm
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December 2, 2018 at 1:25 pm
LTG ……. “the anti-pervert vaccine” — now that’s funny but has nothing to do with the argument neither does people on my side getting it wrong that there is a male/female. you are a smart guy that thinks out side of the box and after all this time on topics like this I still haven’t seen you make an argument worthy of your gifts. are you denying “perverts” could use this being legally enshrined in law to get themselves into the female change room to leer at females ? if so, you are the “duped” one or hasn’t fully thought through you position.
let me add another box, box #3. this would be who you are sexually attracted to, the male body or female body or both and how that plays out with what bath/change room you should use.
the norm is male/male/female and female/female/male. so the 2 bathroom/change room system works perfectly until new information was brought to our attention.
so why shouldn’t male/male/female, male/female/female and female/male/female all share the same bathroom/change room ? I wouldn’t be offended to see a beautiful female/male/female shower. now if the female/male/female has a problem with me seeing them naked they should have a private room where they can be naked. also if a male/male/female doesn’t feel comfortable seeing a female/male/female naked who should go to the private room ?
since you are a smart guy I won’t do the female bath/change room and hopefully I got those all correct.
so bi-sexual people should use a private room if any one is offended and since a situation could arise like where two female/male/female may be in the same bath/change room there would have to be a system set up so only one is allowed at a time because one may be offended by the other leering at them.
so there’s no need to declare in law a male/female is legally a female and give perverts, mentally ill people, band wagoner’s and legit male/females access to the women’s bath/change room and make female/female/males the victims. all we need is a few private rooms (TBD by statics) and a system to ensure everybody is accommodated —- not people like you forcing female/female/male to share a bath/change room with male/female/female.
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December 2, 2018 at 2:49 pm
Paul V:
People have already been arrested for using bathrooms for sexual fantasies or other deviant bahavior:
In 2009, a sex offender named Richard Rendler was arrested for wearing fake breasts and a wig while loitering in a women’s restroom in a Campbell, California, shopping center.
WPRI: Man Charged With Voyeurism in Target Bathroom (January 17, 2017) …
Post Register: Transgender woman arrested for voyeurism at Target (July 12, 2016).
But you can’t forbid people from driving because some people drink and drive. A similar reason is used by the NRA for no restrictions on firearms just because you have someone with an AK47 slaughter Jews in a synagogue, automatic hand guns because someone kills worshippers in a black church who welcome the weirdo into their service.
But the greatest sin on the planet that all other evil emanates from is sexuality. The common root of all sin as espoused by the great religions since they wrote the Book of Genesis to support the narrative that every person on earth is subject to Original Sin.
As I said numerous times, Religion, created Original Sin (Sexuality) from which all evil flowed through the world.
Okay Paul, this is absolutely inevitable. This topic has deeper roots than the mere superficial law of transgender bathrooms. Sexual variants have always been part of humanity, this not something new to the 21st century, don’t kid yourself; it is only now beginning to come out into the open; because, religion has for the most part, except for the Pimps of the Temple and Eunuchs,. buried the variations and buried all thing sexual even conversations about sex. Sex was TABOO from Genesis to 1960’s! Can you believe it? It was! People would blush at the word.
SO……….
LET’S TALK SEX! The female in every species has always been and always will be a “sex object”. There’s no bending biology around that fact. The first and only primary goals of all species is? Come on guess? A new car? A new house? Winning the lottery? No! SELF PRESERVATION & SEXUALITY. Why? Because “Life….. forces”. Life Forces rule the planet regardless of Religious Insanity, Wall Street Greed and Bingo the Money God, nevertheless, Religious Insanity tries to control it, Wall Street Greed tries to manipulate it and Bingo the Money God tries to buy it. And believers claim that’s a good thing.
TO DESTROY a person’s life, both by and to the righteous and by and to the unrighteous alike, the righteous and the unrighteous alike use the same tactic. Whether it is a lie or the truth, it is incidental to the process for they both strive for the common outcome. You may ask yourself why is that? How can the righteous and the unrighteous find common ground? It’s actually quite simple when you think about it. We think we are unique but we are not really unique and that very fact of being not unique is why and how religion exploited and exploits still, the entire human race. For they have found the common denominator into which all mankind falls.
The common denominator that shames the soul, crucifies the body and purges the mind is sex; sex the cause and sex the effect: the cause of its own effect and that sexual process is the only means that makes every human being subject to oits laws, birth, very life itself.
Sexual procreation.
In other words, by using a variation of sexuality, nakedness the sin(of sexuality) and nakedness the cover up(the natural guilt of exposure) Not that nakedness is the sin but the connotation of nakedness portends, sexuality. And sexuality was always the original sin by which made no human being unique; and not only was it the original sin, but the narrative of the original sin was actually designed as the imperative dictation describing sin: the very first Book of the Bible that describes original sin and from which no person on earth can escape. The Book of Genesis. This brought the entire population under the wing of the messenger of the paranormal, mythological caricature God and thereby nobody ever born could escape the fact that original sin was in fact a sexual sin and all people ever born were guilty as a result of that sin. In this way all humanity came under the jurisdiction of religin and the self appointed God-derived founders who created the sin responsible for very life itself.
It was the religion of Judeaism with its heartfelt resentment against life and religion’s two main offshoots, Christianity and Islam,m that took the old ancient falsehood into the common era (CE), from the BCE Era that first made something unclean of sexuality: it threw filth on the origin, on the essential fact of our life. That’s where the world is at. Even animals are castrated when natural agression results. Man is no different. Deny sexuality as a normal natural function of design to control behavior and you have a ready army willing to go to war looking for spoil , slaughter the enemy and indulge in the spoil not the least of which is taking women at will to relieve the design functions of men the home state denies. Let the Sex genie out of the bottle and this world would finally start the journey toward civilization. Here is a Proverb in the Old Testament that speaks to the denial of sexuality and while it is used in the context of marriage/wife and the like, what they are really saying is “sex denied” or “sex fobidden” or the rage that jealousy of sex bond broken, foments the same results: Evil. It is in the Proverb that speaks to the virtuous woman. It starts off by saying P 31:10 Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies.
11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil.
No need of spoil? “………he shall have no need for robbery……..” as in the spolis of war..”
Now for definition sakes please understand that marriage is merely sexual consummation but marriage doesn’t come first, that the ridiculous way of looking at it…no… no…no… that’s the religious fallacy but the reality is that sexual consummation is “marriage”. Marriage is the “sex act” not a piece of paper with the Church’s stamped license to have sex, that’s part of the religious farce about sexuality, the BIG LIE.
And they wrote the story called the “Book of Genesis” to support the BIG LIE narrative.
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December 2, 2018 at 6:16 pm
LTG …….. nice smoke screen. you and your side are just changing who is “victimized.” I don’t want anyone “victimized” including the minority of poor people who really are male/female. the male/female rights to use the women’s bath/change room ends at the rights of the female/female to have a female/female/male bath/change room. your approach just makes it worse because in your zeal to help the minority of poor people who are afflicted with this situation you are punishing many more people with the same offense. legally calling a male/female a female is like using a grenade to kill a fly.
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December 2, 2018 at 6:20 pm
LTG ……. God, Genesis, religion, whether “Christians” won’t accept the scientific evidence that a male can have a female brain are all irrelevant. it’s all about the rights of female/female/male to have a bath/change room of their own.
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December 2, 2018 at 6:50 pm
LTG …..;. what is the best situation. A. 1 male/female/male uses the women’s bath/change room making 30 female/female/male uncomfortable B. 1 male/female/male uses the men’s bath/change room and is uncomfortable or makes some male/male/female uncomfortable C. that male/female/male uses a private bath/change room and may or may not be uncomfortable because he can’t use the women’s ? it’s not a perfect world so C is the correct answer
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December 2, 2018 at 8:53 pm
Think integration instead of segregation.
When I am out in public I have absolutely no problem using the facilities. When I was growing up there was only one facility at our house for family and guests. It was called the Outhouse.
Gender Equality is fashionable only because inequality had been the norm since before Mythology morphed into the Book of Genesis.
Gender issues: as it relates to washrooms, bath/change rooms is a recent phenomenon, since the 1960’s; and, the world is unfolding as it should ever since sexual civilization gained a foothold in western countries, again since the 1960’s.
Civilization is a new concept on planet earth and it necessarily needs a learning curve. Kept in recessed corners by the religious, supernatural mind for millions of years, it has only been crawling out from between the cracks in chiseled stone tablets for the last 70 years.
How to handle the refuse of human experience is miniscule compared to countries still steeped in the religious insanity of sexual controls that force the shackled shame of eyeslits upon whole populations.
Civilization has a long way to go to overcome millions of years of stoneagism and I do not have the answers as to how the next generation will adjust civilization to the calling of the day; however, it will be without the shame and guilt of religion, I am pleased to declare, as I look down the time corridors of future come.
So you can design the washrooms, I am okay with that.
But I really believe that gene editing as the China scientists have done by splicing out the vulnerable protein chromosome that allows the infiltration of the HIV virus to infect humans is one of the ways the unfolding will take, although many have already come out against it.
Vaccines and medical advances has always been opposed by religion as going against God’s will if you can believe that!
For example take this excerpt:
Religious belief is on the decline in the U.S., and medical knowledge is on the increase. This makes it particularly ironic that so much of our health care system is accountable at the highest levels, not to science or patient preference, but to the dictates of faith and of theology. Metaphorically, more and more medical decisions get made with the Catholic Bishops in the room, regardless of whether the patient wants them there. Not only that, but the Bishops have a religious veto that can trump both doctor and patient………..
that falls back on the current position of the Church hierarchy: “we believe life is sacred from conception to natural death”.
Scientists Use CRISPR to Block HIV Replication Inside Living Cells, CRISPR Gene Editing May Have Unanticipated Side Effects, and Could We Be the Last Generation to Know What the Flu Feels Like?
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December 3, 2018 at 1:11 pm
LTG …… dude you are hilarious. it’s irrelevant that you/me/others have no problems using public bath/change rooms no matter who’s in there. it’s about women not wanting to share theirs with a penis. when or if you ever address the problem I’d be happy to read about your solution. it’s all about the rights of female/female/male to not be subjected to the problem you say the male/female/male or male/female/female is subjected too. you and yours are just victimizing another group as you always do.
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December 3, 2018 at 2:14 pm
Paul V:
I submit that we have flogged that horse sufficiently, therefore in conclusion,
I appoint you to take charge of the washrooms and the gender boxes but note you won’t be able to squeeze all the genders into two gender boxes; that’s not going to cut it.
Just to give you a heads up if you can’t accept the reality of gender minorities by allowing genuine gender boxes, the minorities will never accept your myopic solution that puts minorities into “feelings” boxes. You may as well have race and skin color-coded boxes according to Melanin (1 – 21), ethnic and creed boxes without neglecting the genderless, creedless, ethnicless, colorless.
Speaking of boxes, regarding the races, Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid which race do you believe is the one most likely genetically linked to the Martians who escaped to Earth after Mars climate change-global warming reached critical mass?
Morphologic studies seem to associate the Polynesians, Micronesians, and Indonesians which are more closely related to the Asian Mongoloids, to the Martians. I tend to agree. Do you have an opinion about that?
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December 10, 2018 at 9:32 am
LTG …… I agree we flogged that horse sufficiently and this is my last post on the subject.
But are you equating woman (female/female) of different races sharing the same bath/change room with a female/female sharing a bath/change room with a male/female ? If so that is bizarre.
I admit there is gender minorities and to all the other facts you presented. That’s all irrelevant same as God, Genesis (I don’t take it literally), religion, WWJD, even if we are correct about there being a male/female, etc …… It’s about not forcing women to share a bathroom with a woman trapped in a man’s body. Therefore, private bath/change rooms must be provided for either the male/female or the female/female that doesn’t want to be naked in front of the other sex or person that gets sexually aroused by their sex. And because the minority is the male/female making private bath/change rooms for them is the most logical, practical, economical solution.
In conclusion it’s you not me that is denying facts — a male/female is not a “she” as you claim. That denies the fact that “she” has a male body. That person would best be called a “male with a female brain” which includes all of the facts.
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December 10, 2018 at 11:19 am
Well Paul we agree:
bath/change room for male/female(gays) & (trans male to female),
bath/change room for female/male(lesbians) & (trans female to male)
bath/change room for male/male(straight)
bath/change room for female/female(straight)
Bisexual I don’t know.
In the meantime this may be of interest for the topic:
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