“Prior” to the creation of the material universe ex nihilo there was no space or time. Because there was no time we conclude that God existed atemporally (timelessly). What about the absence of space? Would this not mean God existed non-spatially without creation? Yes it would. How does that conclusion square with the Biblical teaching that God is omnipresent? How can a being that is spaceless in nature be omnipresent? Is the Bible contradicting itself in its description of God’s nature? What exactly is the nature of God’s omnipresence? Has He always been omnipresent? These questions ought to cause us to think more clearly about what it means to say God is “omnipresent.”
To be all-present requires that there be a “here” and a “there” to be present at. Without the existence of spatial location the notion of omnipresence is meaningless. Seeing that there was no space “prior” to creation it follows that God was not omnipresent prior to creation.<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[1]<!–[endif]–> Omnipresence, then, is not an essential attribute of God’s nature; spacelessness is essential to God’s nature. “God existing alone without creation is spaceless.”<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[2]<!–[endif]–> God became omnipresent concurrent with creation in virtue of the creation of space.<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[3]<!–[endif]–> Omnipresence emerged as a contingent relation between God and the spatial universe.
What is the Nature of God’s Omnipresence?
While we have determined that God is spaceless without creation and omnipresent subsequent to creation, this does not tell us anything about the nature of His omnipresence. What does it mean to say God is omnipresent? Does it mean He is spatially located within and extended throughout the universe such that He is present at every point, or does it mean He is cognizant of and causally active at every point in the universe though He is neither spatially located in, nor spatially extended throughout it?<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[4]<!–[endif]–> While we have typically conceived of omnipresence in the first sense I would argue that God’s omnipresence is more aptly described by the second.
At a minimum God’s omnipresence means He is not localized anywhere within space, and that He lacks both shape and size. But if omnipresence refers to God’s extension through space He would have both shape and size because the universe has both shape and size. God is not extended through space so that He fills it like air fills a container. God is not a physical substance that can fill anything. God’s omnipresence in the universe is more comparable to the way in which our minds are “filled” with thoughts. Our thoughts are not spatially extended throughout our minds, and neither is God spatially extended throughout the universe.
If God were spatially present at every point in the universe He could not distinguish “here” from “there.” For a being that is spatially present at every point in the universe everywhere is here; everything is ever-present before Him. There is no “there” for such a being. If God were spatially extended through space He must believe that two points, separated by millions of light years, are both “here.”<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[5]<!–[endif]–> That would mean God could not know the Statue of Liberty is separated from the Eiffel Tower by thousands of miles. That is patently absurd, and impugns God’s omniscience! There must be a better way of understanding God’s omnipresence.
Has God Changed?
Earlier I argued that spacelessness, rather than omnipresence, is essential to God’s nature. Those properties that are essential to a substance cannot be changed without causing the substance to cease to exist. Only accidental properties can be changed if the substance is to retain its essence. If spacelessness is essential to God’s nature, then, how could God become omnipresent at creation without giving up the property of spacelessness and ceasing to be who He was? If God’s omnipresence is understood as a spatial location extended through space this is unavoidable, for He would be required to relinquish the property of spacelessness in order to assume the property of spatiality, and thus He would cease to exist as the divine essence He once was. If, however, God’s omnipresence is understood as God’s immediate mental cognizance of, and causal activity at every point in the universe then God’s omnipresence would not encroach on His essential spaceless nature. Mental cognizance and causal activity do not require spatial presence.
Additionally, there is nothing intrinsic to the act of creation that would require God to be drawn into space (spatialized). Creation was not a spatial act, therefore, we have no compelling reason to believe God surrendered His divine spacelessness and began to exist spatially subsequent to the act of creation. It stands to reason that God remained spaceless even subsequent to creation. If God remained spaceless His omnipresence must mean He is simply “cognizant of and causally active at every point of space”<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[6]<!–[endif]–>.
Conclusion
God’s omnipresence is an example of analogous language in which those incomprehensible aspects of God’s nature are described in terms finite humans can comprehend. We run into problems, however, when we take this use of language and apply it to God in literal terms. God is not spatially extended throughout the finite universe, but is cognizant of and causally active in each and every part of it as a non-spatial being. Because God is mentally cognizant of, rather than personally located at every point in the universe He can be both here and there, and know the difference between the two.
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<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[1]<!–[endif]–>To speak of that which was prior to creation is a figure of speech, similar to the way scientists speak of temperatures “lower than” absolute zero. It is a mental construct only, having no ontological basis in reality. The beginning of time is a boundary beyond which only our imagination can travel. Trying to find time before the beginning is like trying to cross the boundary of space into spacelessness. There is no space on the other side of space in which to cross over into, and likewise there is no time on the other side of the beginning to go back to.
<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[2]<!–[endif]–>William Lane Craig and J.P. Moreland, Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2003), 510.
<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[3]<!–[endif]–>Space was created by God, but that does not mean it was manufactured as if it were some physical substance. To say God “created” space merely expresses the fact that (1) space had a temporal beginning, and that (2) God is its causal agent. Space is not a physical substance, but a relation that obtains in virtue of the presence of finite and material objects. Just as time keeps every event from happening at once, space keeps everything from being located at the same point. In the utter absence of finite and material objects space would not obtain. God no more created something called space than we create the relation “next to” when we place two books side-by-side. Apart from the creation of matter there would be no space (or time for that matter), for it is only the creation of material substance that necessitates there be space in which the matter can exist, and time in which the matter can move. Space and time “came along for the ride” in virtue of the creation of matter, but they were not the objects of creation itself. The relations of space and time emerged with the existence of matter. Space is a contingent relation emerging concomitantly with the presence of material substance.
<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[4]<!–[endif]–>William Lane Craig and J.P. Moreland, Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2003), 510.
<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[5]<!–[endif]–>William Lane Craig and J.P. Moreland, Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2003), 510.
<!–[if !supportFootnotes]–>[6]<!–[endif]–>William Lane Craig and J.P. Moreland, Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 2003), 510.
May 29, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Jason,
Maybe I missed the explanation but you seem to have asserted that prior to creation there was not time or space without explaining or proving this assertion. You start out with this statement:“Prior” to the creation of the material universe ex nihilo there was no space or time. Is this found somewhere in the Bible?
In Acts 17 we are told that in God we live, move, and have our being. Doesn’t that suggest spacial extension?
2 Chronicles 6:18 But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!
Doesn’t this verse suggest spacial extension? All creation, time, and space are found within God.
Where can we find God if he isn’t somewhere taking up space? Why aren’t you proving God’s omnipresence with scriptures?
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June 11, 2007 at 10:19 am
The Bible says “In the beginning God created….” This implies a beginning of time, space, and matter. Prior to this there was nothing. Science and philosophy also demonstrate the same thing. The universe had a beginning. Prior to that beginning, there was no space or time. See the following articles I wrote:
http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/eternityforever.htm
http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/whencreate.htm
I don’t understand the significance of Acts 17 to the topic, unless you are interpreting it to mean that we are actually moving inside of God, as though He were a spatial being. But that seems to be a far-fetched interpretation of this passage. God is a Spirit, and does not have spatial boundaries.
The same goes for II Chron.
I am assuming God’s omnipresence from Scriptures. What I am discussing is the nature of God’s omnipresence: How exactly is God omnipresent?
Jason
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June 13, 2007 at 11:04 am
Jason,
I will read your links when I have a chance, but I would like to say I read Acts 17 literally. In God we live and move and breathe. He is our dwellingplace. He is literally all around us but incomparable to anything we know. An analogy of God’s omnipresence can be made to the ocean and fish swimming within the ocean but no analogies can capture the omnipresence of God. I don’t believe God has spacial boundaries but I believe God is everywhere present by his Spirit. Psalm 139: 1-12 is another passage I would refer you to.
When you read ‘the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee’, how do you understand that?
I agree that prior to the beginning there was nothing except God. Creation, time, and space were created within God.
I’m discussing the same thing you are. How is God omnipresent? Because He literally is everywhere at the same time present. Jeremiah 23:23-24
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June 13, 2007 at 11:09 am
Because God is mentally cognizant of, rather than personally located at every point in the universe He can be both here and there, and know the difference between the two.
Jason,
This is the statement I take exception to. And to state that God can be everywhere (personally located at every point in the universe) and not know here from there or Paris from Uganda is ludicrious.
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June 13, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Anonymous,
Maybe I was not clear. I am not arguing that God is not aware that there is a difference in space between the Statue of Liberty and the Eiffel Tower, but that if God is spatially extended through space, both points are “here”. In fact, there can be no point in the universe that is considered “there” because is everywhere present. Everywhere He is, is “here” in the same that everywhere my body is, is “here” for me.
Jason
Jason
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September 21, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Greetings! in the name of the Lord Jesus who is God most High.
Brother Dulle! I would have to slightly disagree with your assessment that omnipresent means that he is mindful of here and there. But omnipresent means that his essence of being is not confined to any particular location. Or in other words he exist whenever and whereever he desires to be. (Even before creation began he had the ability of omnipresence or to be whenever or whereever he desires to be. Being that our finite minds can not fully grasp what that entails to mean that God Almighty was omnipresent before creation began we simply must accept it by faith.)
God bless you always! in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
Marquest Burton
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September 22, 2008 at 11:25 am
Marguet,
The issue is whether God is spatially extended throughout His creation, or whether His omnipresence is an extension of His omniscience. I am arguing for the latter, pointing out that the former results in contradictions.
Before creation there was no place to be, so God could not be omnipresent then. Omnipresence is an attribute that arose in relationship to God’s creation of space. And there is nothing in the Bible that says God is eternally omnipresent.
Jason
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September 22, 2008 at 5:16 pm
Greetings! in the name of the Lord Jesus who is God most High.
I would disagree for if the holy scriptures declares that God is eternal. And affirms that he can be in whatever place he wants to be then I would say that before creation he was omnipresent. (To our finite minds there was no place to be but we are dealing with the mind of God here. Which means before creation God was omnipresent.)
God bless you always! in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
Marquest Burton
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September 23, 2008 at 11:32 am
With that kind of reasoning, there can be no reasoning.
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September 23, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Greetings! in the name of the Lord Jesus who is God most High.
I am simply attempting to point out that because God Almighty is incomprehensible which means can not completely be understood. Therefore, it would be difficult for us to fathom his manner of existance before the creation of the world. But we must accept by faith that he was omnipresent without being overly concerned that the nature of omnipresence requires a before and after or here or there in accord with our carnal minds. (To this I disagree because God before creation was omnipresent which means that he was everywhere and anywhere that he wanted to be which is not narrowed down to his thinking but encompasses his actual presence itself.)
God bless you always! in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
Marquest Burton
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September 24, 2008 at 10:12 am
The bottom line is that if God created space “in the beginning” at creation, then there could not have been space prior to that time. If there was no space, then God had nowhere to be omnipresent.
There is nothing in the bible that commits us to think that God was omnipresent before creation. Nothing. He is described as omnipresent now, but that is because of His relation to creation. And I am arguing that the nature of His omnipresence is not a diffusion throughout space, but His cognitive awareness of every spatial point.
Jason
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September 27, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Greetings! in the name of the Lord Jesus who is God most High.
Again! I disagree with you brother Dulle that scripture does not affirm that God Almighty was omnipresent because if scripture affirms that God Almighty is eternal then by nature of his eternality then he is never-endingly omnipresent. Or in other words that before creation he was omnipresent.
God bless you always! in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
Marquest Burtom
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