In recent days I have taken up a task I had given up on a number of years ago: harmonizing the resurrection accounts in the Gospels. I hope to blog on this in considerable detail in the future, but wanted to explore a particular anomaly I have encountered that has me befuddled – an anomaly I am hoping you, the community, can help me resolve.
All of the Evangelists – with the exception of Luke[1] – report that Jesus appeared to several of Jesus’ women followers after they saw the angels in the empty tomb, but before they reported the incident to the apostles. Luke, however, does not mention a resurrection appearance to the women. According to Luke the women discover the empty tomb, encounter angels who tell them Jesus is risen, and then leave to tell the disciples what they had seen and heard.[2] If this was all there was to Luke’s account it would not be much of a problem, since each of the Evangelists omit certain details that the others chose to include. While it would be a curious detail to omit, its omission would be just that: a curiosity.
But the story is complicated by the testimony of the two disciples on the road to Emmaus.
Jesus appeared to these disciples in disguised form while they were journeying toward the village of Emmaus. As they talked with Jesus, they recounted to Him the events of recent days, beginning with Jesus’ crucifixion and culminating in the women’s report. In their own words, “Moreover, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning, and when they did not find his body, they came back saying that they had even seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive. Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see.” (24:22-24)
Why didn’t they relay the women’s report of having seen Jesus alive from the dead? Surely that testimony would be more “amazing” than the angelic appearance and announcement of the resurrection, so why would they choose to report the angelic appearance rather than Jesus’ appearance if they were aware of Jesus’ appearance to the women? This seems inexplicable. And that they were aware of Jesus’ appearance to the women, there can be no doubt. The other Evangelists are clear that the women did not report to the disciples until after they had seen Jesus (Mt 28:8-11a; Mk 16:8-10; Jn 20:14-18). So if the two disciples were present for the women’s testimony as they claim to have been, then they must have known that they saw the resurrected Jesus. So again, why didn’t they report this to Jesus?
As I have been mulling this over in my head, I have come up with at least two options to explain the apparent conflict between Luke and the other Evangelists. The first option is to conclude that Luke was simply unaware of the tradition that Jesus appeared to the women disciples. This is possible if one accepts Markan priority (meaning Mark was the first Gospel to be written), and if one accepts Lucan dependence on Mark as the basis for his own gospel, and if one accepts that Mark 16:9-20 is not original to Mark’s Gospel, since Mark’s Gospel without the longer ending lacks any reference to Jesus’ appearance to the women. Of course, we still have to consider the fact that Luke is writing his gospel approximately 30 years after the events. Surely the tradition would have been well-circulated by that time, and thus known to Luke. Even if it hadn’t been well-circulated, Luke tells us his account is based on research from eyewitness and other written accounts of the life of Christ. It is unreasonable to think he would not have stumbled on this tradition during his research had he not already known of it. After all, Matthew was clearly aware of it, and Matthew wrote his gospel at approximately the same time Luke wrote his. For these reasons, I don’t find this explanation very persuasive.
A second option is to conclude that while Luke was aware of Jesus’ appearance to the women, he purposely omitted it – not only from his own report of the women’s experience, but also from the testimony of the two disciples. On this explanation, the two disciples were aware of Jesus’ resurrection appearance to the women, and even recounted the report to Jesus, but Luke chose to excise that portion of their testimony in his own report of their conversation.
This invites a question: Why would Luke purposely edit such an important event out of his account? It is difficult to say since we do not have access to Luke’s mind, but the apologetic liability of the appearance to the women could be the answer. In the social context of the first century, the testimony of women was not considered reliable. In such a cultural context, reporting women as the principal witnesses of the resurrection would be rather embarrassing. In fact, it could cause some to doubt the church’s claim that Jesus was raised from the dead. That it was an apologetic liability is evidenced by Celsus’ (2nd century non-Christian) response to the story. He discredited the resurrection saying, “Who saw Jesus rise from the dead? A hysterical female.” It is likely that Luke was trying to avoid scandalizing his readers with this embarrassing historical fact, and thus chose to eliminate it from the reports of both the women and the two disciples.
What do you think? Do you have a different perspective, or another insight? Is there another solution to the problem I am not seeing?
[1]If one does not accept the authenticity of Mark 16:9-20, then Mark would need to be included as well.
[2]The most popular harmonization of the accounts has Jesus appearing to two different groups of women. This is a plausible harmonization, but for the sake of ease I will only refer to a single resurrection appearance to the women disciples.
April 7, 2010 at 10:14 pm
Question:
If Luke’s omission is for cultural reasons which might embarrass the new(ish) Christian community, why would the other Evangelists include the account of the women being first? Wouldn’t they perceive the same embarrassment or cultural problems of using the testimony of a woman or women to report the resurrection?
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April 8, 2010 at 1:45 am
Aaron,
You raise a very good point. One might respond that some individuals are more circumspect than others in their handling of certain information, particularly depending on the context in which the information is being delivered. Luke was writing his work for Theophilus. Depending on who he was, and why Luke was writing this for him, he may have deemed it better to leave this detail out.
I do find it interesting that Luke’s traveling companion, Paul, also neglected to mention the women witnesses of the resurrection in his appearances list in 1 Cor 15. Is that a coincidence?
Jason
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April 8, 2010 at 3:08 am
Well, depending on one’s view of inspiration (whether high or low), one could argue from the angle of divine fiat all the way down to contradiction.
So, I guess, the first thing to do is determine where one’s position is on that particular continuum and go from there. I take a high view of inspiration, so I see it as possible that perhaps Luke knew of the account of the women, and perhaps Paul did as well, and both he and Luke intended, in their own minds, to include the history, but, in or during the act of writing, for whatever reason, the Spirit forbade it from being written.
That leaves it at the level of mystery, which I know can be hard to accept, especially when trying to create an apologetic that will help a reasonable person, who does not yet believe, come to a place of belief in the Scriptures.
Personally, I might argue for variety. Having multiple accounts, with different level of specific information (while contained overwhelming examples of the same general information) tends to lend credibility in the sense that sometimes, when a story is told verbatim, both generally and specifically, by more than one witness, collusion is suspected, as opposed to honesty.
Finally, it’s possible that the disciples on the road to Emmaus only had second or third hand knowledge, and for whatever reason, whoever it was that relayed info to them, for personal reasons or bias, did not report to them the complete testimony of the women.
Remember, Jesus upbraided some disciples for their unbelief in the resurrection after they were told of it by women (Mark 16:9-14). Perhaps those who did not believe the women relayed the info to the disciples on the road to Emmaus sans the women’s testimony of actually seeing Jesus, because of a bias against “hysterical female[s]”.
Maybe the Emmaus disciples were embarrassed to tell a stranger about women seeing their resurrected Savior, thinking that this “stranger” would dismiss them or somehow treat the testimony irreverently?
Definitely a tough question.
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April 8, 2010 at 3:19 am
My preference would be:
The diciples on the road had not believed that Jesus was resurrected and so they themselves omitted to tell Jesus that the women had seen Jesus (as would have been a ludicrous statement) and so they only said that the women saw angels proclaiming the fact (a bit less ludicrous)
Luke was being accurate in his writing of the gospel even though he knew that certain points could be missed.
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April 8, 2010 at 6:26 am
Jason
I appreciate you doing these articles! They have been helpful to spur me into deeper inspection of the accounts.
My take, from my first review is simple, literally. Luke was writing from the eyewitnesses’ perspective. Perhaps, since he was not able to press the women – with a personal interview – about seeing Jesus that he felt it better to err on the side of silence then to follow all the other Gospels and betray his goal? He wanted to give a factual account to someone who could have been highly intelligent, Theophilus, that would have questioned every detail with “Did you personally interview this witness?” I know this may be a creative solution but I feel it to be a genuine possibility.
Luke’s goal was to avoid any uncertain truth. This is a bold declaration and one that is missing in the other Gospels.
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April 8, 2010 at 11:06 am
It would seem odd that Luke would omit the truth for cultural reasons. That would be dishonest and would not be inspired of God. God uses the weak things to confound the wise, as has been pointed out before by Jason in other articles, the fact women are mentioned speaks to the truth of the Resurrection.
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April 8, 2010 at 1:05 pm
Aaron,
I agree that one’s view of inspiration can be a factor here, but a high vs. low view does not pertain to the means by which God inspired the Bible, but the extent to which it is inspired. A high view of inspiration would simply entail that every word in Scripture is the result of inspiration, regardless of the means by which God was able to make sure every word written is what He wanted written. I make this distinction only because I hold to a high view of inspiration, but I deny a more mechanical means of divine guidance like the one you suggested.
Even if I accepted your view of inspiration, it just shifts the question up one level. Rather than asking why Luke would omit the information, we have to ask why God would make Luke omit the information.
I don’t think variety is the answer. I have no problem with variety, and I would agree with you that it’s the differences (which is not at all the same as contradictions) between the gospels demonstrates that collusion was not involved. But I think the information Luke presented, in the manner he presented it, presents us with an actual contradiction to the other Evangelists unless we think Luke purposely edited out the two disciples’ report to Jesus that the women claimed to have seen Jesus alive from the dead.
Yes, it’s possible that their knowledge came 2nd or 3rd hand, and that the report to them was incomplete, but this is very unlikely for a couple of reasons. First, there wasn’t much time between the women’s report and the disciples’ having left for Emmaus to expect several rounds of testimony. Second, it stretches the imagination to think that someone reporting to the two disciples would forget to tell them the most amazing part of the women’s story. Thirdly, their statement seems to imply that they were there for the testimony. They said, “Moreover, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning, and when they did not find his body, they came back saying that they had even seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive. Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see.” By saying “with us,” it implies that the two disciples were in the audience who first heard the report, since it was from that audience that “some” left to go investigate the tomb. This point is disputable, but that seems to be the point.
Were the two disciples afraid to mention to Jesus that the women reported seeing Jesus alive for fear that the stranger would dismiss them as crazy? Possibly, but if they felt free to tell him about the angels and their message that Jesus had risen, I would think they would want to supply actual proof of the angels testimony by declaring that indeed the women saw Jesus after they saw the angels.
Jason
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April 8, 2010 at 1:19 pm
Scott,
You may be right that the two disciples did not believe the women’s testimony about seeing Jesus, but why tell the stranger about the angelic appearance/message that Jesus was alive, but not the actual appearance of Jesus? You suggest that it’s because the latter is less ludicrous than the former, but if you don’t think Jesus had actually risen from the dead, then both stories would be equally ludicrous. If someone told me they encountered an angel who told them my mother has risen from the dead, and that they saw my mother alive from the dead, and if I think their claim to have seen my mother is ludicrous, then surely their claim to have heard this “fact” announced by an angel is equally ludicrous. It seems to me, then, that if they were going to convey some of what the women reported, they would convey all of it. Indeed, I think they did, but Luke chose to omit part of their testimony.
Furthermore, it doesn’t appear to me that the two disciples are speaking dismissively of the women’s report as if any part of it is ludicrous. They describe it as an amazing report, but its obvious that the report was taken seriously since some of the disciples went to investigate the tomb. The two disciples told the stranger that the women’s story about the empty tomb checked out: those from their company did not see Jesus. This raises an interesting question, though. When they say “but him they did not see,” do they mean to say they did not see Jesus’ corpose, or did they mean they did not see Jesus alive from the dead, or both? This is a thorny question since in John’s Gospel Peter runs to the tomb prior to Jesus’ first appearance to the women and prior to their report to all the apostles, whereas Luke portrays it as happening after the women report to all the disciples. If one thinks John and Luke are describing the same event, and if one accepts John’s chronology, then there would be no reason for Peter to be looking for Jesus alive from the dead.
Jason
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April 8, 2010 at 1:28 pm
Cs,
Glad to hear you like these kinds of topics.
That is a creative solution, and I think it has some merit. But I have some reservations. First and foremost is the fact that Luke reports on the conversation the two disciples had with Jesus on the road to Emmaus. If he would only report on matters he could personally verify, then surely he must have been able to personally verify the contents of the conversation with the two disciples (or someone who was intimately familiar with their testimony). And if so, then surely he would have been told by the two disciples of their statement to Jesus about the women’s report of seeing Jesus alive.
It wouldn’t matter if he could not verify the women’s testimony itself. What would matter is that he could verify the two disciples’ testimony to Jesus. And if they say they told Jesus that the women claimed to have seen Him alive from the dead, then why not report to his (Luke) readers what they (two disciples) reported to him (Luke)?
Furthermore, if the two disciples were in the group of male disciples that the women first reported their experience too, it seems quite odd that Luke would not accept their testimony as historical since it was coming from those who were participants in the event. Sure, it would not prove that the women saw what they claimed, but it would prove that they claimed it. Hearing the claim from the women themselves wouldn’t help Luke be able to prove that they saw Jesus anymore than hearing their claim via the two disciples who were there when the women made the claim.
Jason
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April 8, 2010 at 1:29 pm
cs,
Omitting details is not dishonest. If it is, then every Evangelist engaged in dishonesty because it’s obvious that each of them chose to omit a lot of details.
Jason
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April 8, 2010 at 8:14 pm
Great question. First, I think all the gospels are pressed for information in some sense. Modern sermons are much longer than the sermons recorded by the synoptic authors. Therefore some truncation is intrinsic.
Second, I beleive Acts and Luke are sequels and historical accountings of early Christianity. Possibly Luke did not have the sufficient evidence needed, for one reason or another, to meet his personal criteria for inclusion.
Third, since Luke and Acts are literarily connected then much of the data in Acts extends his thoughts as well and given the overall data of Luke I don’t think any disparagement can be implied. Indeed, Luke provides his own unique information as well: Although Luke omitted the women’s questioning of how the stone would be rolled away (Mark 16:3), he added a reference to their bringing the spices they had prepared (Luke 24:1; cf. 23:56). He also recalled Jesus’ earlier prophecies concerning his betrayal, death, and resurrection (24:7) and transposed the names of the women from the beginning of the account (cf. Mark 16:1; Matt 28:1) to the end (Luke 24:10).
Fourth, it is possible that different traditions about the empty tomb. All Gospels and the initial Jewish polemic involves an empty tomb.
Fifth, WLC affirms Markan priority I think. Luke however is almost unique unto himself. They are also in or near Jerusalem and are told as occuring in ONE day. Perhaps this record was also for church traditions and historical posterity.
Sixth, we must not forget the harmonious events also recorded by all four evangelist. The record of the empty tomb being preeiminent.
Seventh, Habermas noted in class once that the empty tomb by itself proves little. However, it does not stand alone rather it is consistent with the overall beliefs of the disciples and Pauline theology. The evidence for the empty tomb can hardly be countered IMHO.
JNA
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April 8, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Good Day,
Just wanted to mention that an excellent little book concerning this issue of harmonizing the Gospels can be found at: http://www.easteranswer.com.
It is well worth a look.
RD Miksa
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radosmiksa.blogspot.com
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April 8, 2010 at 11:40 pm
“I agree that one’s view of inspiration can be a factor here…”
Question: If the means by which God inspired the Bible is found to be insufficient insomuch as it cannot account for the extent of the inspiration, then at what point is there a separation between means and extent? And vice versa, if the extent is of such a degree as to make demands upon the level of the means, again, what is the separation?
Personally, I also have a high view of the extent, but I readily admit to not having a fully functioning model of the means. I’ve read the various positions, and figure that there is probably a combo effect taking place, but I don’t really know, beyond what faith indicates is necessary (i.e. John 17:17, 2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Peter 1:20-21).
“Even if I accepted your view of inspiration, it just shifts the question up one level. Rather than asking why Luke would omit the information, we have to ask why God would make Luke omit the information.”
An interesting question. If the omission is the work of divine fiat, then there is nothing left with which one can wrestle. If not, then blogs, books, coffee house discussions, sermons, and etc. about this topic will exist until the 2nd advent. I admit to not knowing the reasons behind why God may or may not have pushed for the omission (if in fact He even did), but I can readily accept that there would be a reason, even if that reason is beyond our knowledge or level of understanding.
After all, if the means are less mechanical (and they may be) then at what point do we simply conclude human error, bias, or worse, fabrication? Let me explain. If God allowed the authors of Scripture to choose their own means of transmission, and allowed them the freedom to write in their own style, with their own words, with license to include or omit as they saw fit, how then are we not trusting more in the men who wrote and less in the God who inspired? While the included content could still be true, as inspired, some of the glaring omissions might cause one to assume human invention. (I do realize that not all of what could have been written, was written due to normal human limitations [I mean, who wants a ten thousand page Gospel?], I still argue that God had to have inspired or okayed whatever perceived omissions exist, or else finding the line between the two seems impossible.)
Maybe it comes down to God’s omniscience? Maybe He only called and inspired those men who would faithfully write all that He wanted written, writing nothing He didn’t, without adding to, or taking away from the Scriptures, thus fulfilling His will, while at the same time being allowed the liberty of means? Could God do that? Yes, I believe so.
Nonetheless, while I do think that personal style, education and writing ability all played a part, I would rather side on a much more “hands-on” approach by the Spirit, as opposed to a simple guiding influence that may or may not have been heeded at whichever turn. Because, if this omission is or was caused by something Luke decided upon, for whatever reason, then Luke, and not God, in this one instance, at least, decided what would and would not be acceptable content concerning the Holy Scriptures. To me, that seems a dangerous proposition (See below quote)
“…unless we think Luke purposely edited out the two disciples’ report…”
If this is true (and maybe it is) I would hope that Luke’s decision to do so was not left entirely up to him, but rather God was involved in that decision to a sufficient degree as to make said decision a matter of divine will, as opposed to personal, human prerogative, since humans, when they exert their will into divine matters, tend to make mistakes.
The rest of your response I concede, without reservation.
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April 8, 2010 at 11:42 pm
Another point I would make is, if Luke, under the means category, used eye witness accounts and interviews for the basis of his treatise on the life of Christ, then we must assume that Luke only wrote that which he was told, possibly by the very two disciples whose conversation with Jesus is now in question.
If their report to Luke was only what Luke wrote, then the problem is not with Luke’s Gospel. The question then becomes why did the two disciples (Cleopas and the other) not tell Luke all of their conversation with the Lord so that he could accurately transmit the entire story?
Did they simply forget? They may have been quite old by the time Luke interviewed them. Maybe senility had begun to set in and the oral tradition was already losing some of its specificity, hence why Luke began to write his gospel, before all vestiges of specificity were lost?
If we take the passage as merely Luke quoting his sources, and not Luke choosing to omit, and if we assume that this was acceptable to God in terms of the means (and extent, too) of inspiration, then Luke did a right proper job, fulfilling his duty as a journalist/biographer of Christ.
The real issue then becomes the two disciples. Did they omit the women’s testimony when speaking to Jesus? Did they, when speaking to Jesus, tell the Lord of the women’s testimony, but, when being interviewed by Luke, omitted that part, or just forgot, or whatever other reason might be assumed for the missing fact(s).
Of course, we’ll never know. But it’s still interesting to ponder.
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April 9, 2010 at 10:37 am
James,
I don’t have a problem with the fact that Luke left out details. All the Evangelists did. The issue is that Luke left out an extremely important detail in the very context in which it should have been provided, and the absence of that detail makes what Luke did record in conflict with the other Gospels (which claim the women told the disciples the story about Jesus’ appearance). If the two disciples were telling Jesus the “amazing” testimony of the women, and that testimony included Jesus’ appearance to them (which we know to be true from other gospels), then surely they would have included this in their testimony to Jesus (the stranger). Luke, then, would had to have purposely excluded it.
I addressed the idea that Luke didn’t have sufficient evidence for this in comment #9.
Yes, William Craig affirms Markan priority, as do I. He also considers the longer ending of Mark to be inauthentic. I lean strongly in the same direction. And if the longer ending is not original, then Luke had no resurrection appearance to the women to draw from (at least from Mark). But Luke had other sources as well, and as I argued in my post, surely he would have learned of the tradition. If nothing else, he was intimately familiar with the Emmaus tradition, even knowing the content of the conversation. So surely he must have known about the women’s claim to have seen Jesus if the two disciples were there to hear it.
Jason
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April 9, 2010 at 10:47 am
Aaron,
I agree that the means of inspiration must be sufficient to account for the extent of information. I just don’t agree that a dictation model is required to account for verbal, plenary inspiration. I write on this topic at http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/inspiration.htm if you are interested in exploring it further. I provide evidence there that not all the writers were even aware of the fact that they were writing by the inspiration of the Spirit, so whatever the means was, it was transparent to many of the authors.
It’s very clear from a reading of the Greek NT that each author has his own style. They each use the Greek language in different ways. It is markedly noticeable. So I don’t think we can doubt that God used each author’s own background knowledge and writing style to write Scripture. Look at Luke. He tells us that he had to spend a lot of time researching the facts out before writing. It’s not as though he just sat down and began to write, and God gave him the words to say. I believe God directed Luke by some means to write the precise words He wanted, but the information that Luke conveyed came from his own storehouse of knowledge, and the style in which he wrote was his own. The process of inspiration is a concurrent process in which God is directing, but man is contributing.
Your omniscience suggestion is actually a good one. William Lane Craig argues for something similar based on God’s middle knowledge.
Jason
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April 9, 2010 at 11:11 am
Aaron,
Responding to #14, yes, Luke used eyewitness testimony, as he tells us in his prologue. I find it unlikely that if Luke got his information about the Emmaus road conversation from the two disciples directly (or even 2nd or 3rd hand), it doesn’t seem likely to me that they would leave out the part about Jesus’ appearance to the women. That would have been the most “amazing” part of the women’s testimony.
Why do you find it problematic to think that Luke (through inspiration) chose to exclude the appearances to the women so as not to rock the boat of his reader’s social sensitivities? And I am assuming you do since you suggest every other alternative (including senile disciples!).
Jason
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April 9, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Jason,
I’ll take a stab at it.
Didn’t Jesus tell various people not to speak of the miracles he performed, just after performing them? And then people go and talk about it anyway?
Maybe Jesus asked the women to not tell anybody that they saw Him. The women then told what happened but omitted seeing Jesus from their account, thereby following the letter (but not the spirit) of His request?
Mark 9:9-10; Mark 1:40-45
Arthur
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April 9, 2010 at 6:38 pm
Jason,
To continue:
Why did Luke leave out the appearance of Jesus to the women after they were at the tomb? Because the focus in Luke 24 is on the apostles and Peter in particular — what they were told and how they reacted.
“When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others.” Luke 24:9. The key is “all these things.” The women did NOT tell the apostles about seeing the resurrected Jesus.
The angels told the women to give the following message to the disciples:
“Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.'” Mark 16:6-7.
The women DID tell “those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping” (not the disciples) that the women had seen Jesus. And Jesus appeared to two mourners personally. But nobody, including the disciples, believed those witnesses. Then Jesus appeared personally to the Eleven and rebuked them for failing to believe the witnesses. Mark 16:9-14.
Notice that neither Jesus nor the angels tell the women to tell the disciples that they saw Him, only that the disciples should go to Galilee to see Him. This time from Matt 28:5-10:
“The angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. Then go quickly and tell his disciples: ‘He has risen from the dead and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.’ Now I have told you.” So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. Suddenly Jesus met them. “Greetings,” he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him. Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me.”
Again, in my view, the key piece of missing information is Jesus telling the women not to tell the disciples that they saw Him.
Arthur
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April 9, 2010 at 11:39 pm
Hi, Jason
Thank you for the link. I actually found Institute for Biblical Studies before this blog, and have read a number of the articles there. Excellent work, all.
I may have read the one you’ve just shared, but I will still read (or re-read) again.
As far as the following:
“…it doesn’t seem likely to me that they would leave out the part about Jesus’ appearance to the women.”
That’s really the main point of what I’m addressing. We can only assume they wouldn’t. But never being able to know, many variations of different arguments are possible. If we presume that Luke may have left that part out due to cultural reasons, why cannot we assume that the two disciples left that part out as well, for the same reasons?
As for the rest, it’s not what is considered problematic for me, so much that my responses are mostly speculative in nature, because I recognize that I don’t know the answer. It could be a cultural reason, or a 1st century bias against females, but then again, it could just as easily be something else, which we’ll never know for sure. Thus I’m reluctant to set upon any one reason, and affirm it as truth. For all we can really know, senility, no matter how silly, or outrageous a claim, could be the real reason, and hence, a claim to it holds just as much legitimacy in my mind, as anything else, up to and including divine fiat.
This is the reason for my first question. If a cultural reason can be undermined, or shown to be inadequate, then the potential to cross it off the list of reasons increases. It’s a didactic approach, which I’m sure I didn’t make evident, just as it wasn’t evident that most of these responses are speculative in nature, and not indicative of personally held, “set-in stone” beliefs.
I apologize for not making that clearer.
Peace
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April 13, 2010 at 9:53 am
The details that were left out must all be left out for a better reason than purposeful omitting something because of cultural reasons.
For instance Peter didn’t omit anything telling about God telling him to kill and eat.
If we omit things for cultural reasons we would not be faithful to the call of God.
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April 19, 2010 at 3:13 pm
Arthur,
Responding to 18, that can’t be the explanation because Mark explicitly tells us Mary told the disciples she saw Jesus, and that the disciples did not believe her (Mk 16:9-11). One might discount this on the premise that this section is probably not original to Mark. If one grants that, we still have to contend with John 20:18 in which Mary explicitly declares, “I have seen the Lord.”
Responding 19, I don’t accept the explanation that Luke was focusing on the apostles, and therefore did not mention the appearance to the women. He spends 10 verses talking about the women, 23 verses talking about two non-apostolic male disciples, and 20 verses talking about the apostles. While the women are talked about least, the apostles are not talked about most. So why not report the resurrection appearance to all three blocks of witnesses, given how much attention Luke dedicates to each of them?
You wrote, “Notice that neither Jesus nor the angels tell the women to tell the disciples that they saw Him, only that the disciples should go to Galilee to see Him. This time from Matt 28:5-10.” That may be true of Matthew, but it is not true of John. Not only does John explicitly saw Mary told the apostles she saw Jesus, but implicit in Jesus’ words to Mary to tell the disciples that Jesus is ascending to their Father/God is the expectation that she would tell the apostles who told her this.
Jason
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April 19, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Aaron,
You are right that we can never know.
You asked, “If we presume that Luke may have left that part out due to cultural reasons, why cannot we assume that the two disciples left that part out as well, for the same reasons?” This is a valid point, but as I said before, the two disciples were talking about this “amazing” report they received from the women that morning. A report of having seen someone alive from the dead is surely more amazing than a claim to have seen angels announcing the same, so why not include one if you are going to include the other?
And I don’t think they would have wanted to hide the testimony about the women seeing Jesus for apologetic/cultural reasons, for the simple fact that they were not trying to persuade Jesus that the women’s report was true. They didn’t believe it themselves!
Jason
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April 19, 2010 at 3:27 pm
cs,
Personally, I don’t find your line of reasoning persuasive. It’s clear that each Evangelist made conscious choices about what events/facts to include, and which ones to leave out. Surely it is not stretching credulity to think that what may have influenced Luke to omit the detail of Jesus’ resurrection appearance to the women was the fact that he knew it would make his case less persuasive to his audience. We do this today. If I am trying to convince a Western woman to convert to Christianity, one of the Biblical teachings I will purposely exclude (at least initially) is the teaching on women’s roles in the church and home because those teachings are very anti-cultural, and may close the woman’s ears to the Gospel before she even hears it. Why think Luke couldn’t also be motivated by cultural concerns like this, and purposely chose to exclude this event? It’s not as if Luke would have denied it anymore than I would deny the Biblical teaching on gender roles, but that doesn’t mean I have to include that teaching in a book intended for new converts.
Jason
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April 19, 2010 at 5:52 pm
“If I am trying to convince a Western woman to convert to Christianity, one of the Biblical teachings I will purposely exclude (at least initially) is the teaching on women’s roles in the church and home because those teachings are very anti-cultural, and may close the woman’s ears to the Gospel before she even hears it. Why think Luke couldn’t also be motivated by cultural concerns like this, and purposely chose to exclude this event? It’s not as if Luke would have denied it anymore than I would deny the Biblical teaching on gender roles, but that doesn’t mean I have to include that teaching in a book intended for new converts.”
That’s an excellent line of reasoning, of which I heartily approve. Never thought of it like that. Well done!
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April 20, 2010 at 11:13 am
Jason
You make a valid point. Yet, if you were recounting actual events you probably wouldn’t leave anything out. What if you were persuading someone who is of another sect, say baptist, and you both had a mutual friend that you had won to the Lord. You recounted their new birth but would you leave out baptism in Jesus Name simply because her religion doesn’t believe in it?
If Luke clouded the report with a predisposition to being non offensive then we have a reason to discredit his entire work. Could we conclude the work to be inspired?
Luke said, (Luke 24:24 [ESV])
“but him they did not see.”
Am I misreading this or is he saying the disciples checked the tomb but they didn’t see him like the women did? The but meaning everything in their story matched except seeing Jesus.
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April 20, 2010 at 1:11 pm
I need to be more clear.
The “but” distinguishes the disciples story from the women who discovered the empty tomb by one point, the disciples didn’t see “him” – the risen Christ.
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April 20, 2010 at 3:33 pm
cs,
All of the Evangelists left out a boat-load of information, so I don’t know why you would say that if they were recounting actual events they wouldn’t leave anything out. It’s clear each of them did.
Your comparison to baptism in Jesus’ name is not a true comparison because baptism is essential to Christianity, whereas Jesus’ appearance to the women is not. To not mention baptism would be to leave out a core Christian doctrine, but the same cannot be said of a historical detail such as Jesus’ appearance to the women. Luke could no more be faulted for leaving that out than he could for leaving out the other appearances of Jesus recorded by other Evangelists.
You wrote, “If Luke clouded the report with a predisposition to being non offensive then we have a reason to discredit his entire work. Could we conclude the work to be inspired?” I don’t follow your line of reasoning. How does it follow that if Luke chose not to include the appearance of Jesus to the women so as not to introduce an unnecessary stumblingblock to his readers, that his work can be discredited, and its inspiration doubted?
As for Luke 24:24, I also thought that might mean that while the women saw Jesus, the male disciples didn’t. It’s possible, but the text is not clear. If that is what it means, then Luke left it to the reader to infer that the women had seen Jesus. At best, it would be implicit in the text. But I see no strong contextual clues to understand “but him they did not see” in this fashion. They could just mean that the disciples found the tomb empty as the women said, but they did not see Jesus, whom the women said the angels told them was alive.
Jason
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April 20, 2010 at 7:47 pm
Jason,
You write:
Responding to 18, that can’t be the explanation because Mark explicitly tells us Mary told the disciples she saw Jesus, and that the disciples did not believe her (Mk 16:9-11).
Let me clarify my earlier post. My proposition is that Jesus told the women not to tell *the Eleven*.
I wouldn’t interpret Mark 16:9-11 as referring to the Eleven, but rather to other believers.
As to my comments in 19, I’m not sure I was clear.
“When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others.” Luke 24:9.
The key is “all these things.” If I’m correct and the women didn’t tell the Eleven about the resurrection, then including the resurrection prior to verse 9 (for historical completeness) would have turned verse 9 into a lie. By using “all these things,” it’s telling us the sum of what the Eleven were told, so nothing that occurred but wasn’t conveyed to the Eleven could be mentioned.
Arthur
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April 21, 2010 at 8:10 am
Jason
True there are things missing from each book, but why? My only point is simple; it probably wasn’t left out in order stay socially correct. That is what I mean by they wouldn’t leave anything out.
Ok. My analogy wasn’t the best but it does serve a purpose. You may not leave out baptism in Jesus name because you believe it is necessary (so do I) but who’s to say someone else wouldn’t leave it out. After all it is human discretion. Can we trust human discretion?
Would it not give you a reason to discredit the work until you could determine it to be solid? I simply asked the question of inspiration because of the human discretion involved. You’re point was that Luke left out the details because he wanted to avoid a stumbling block but that appears to be shaky at best and scary at worst.
The only two options you offer in the original article, maybe for the sake of discussion, was 1) Luke wasn’t aware of the women who saw Jesus 2) Luke was aware but omitted it for specific reasons.
To Option 1 you were effective at dispelling this as a viable option. To Option 2, it appears you find this option persuasive and to the exclusion of the other options.
My first assumption was Luke was aware but couldn’t verify it by the eye witnesses; you were effective in giving good reasons at putting this to rest. The next choice that seems to retain the integrity of the writer – Luke was aware because he compared the disciples story with the women and differentiated them by saying the disciples didn’t see Him. You’ve said this is a possibility but you didn’t include this in your two options. The point has been made that the tradition was well founded that the women seen Jesus.
The entire rising from the dead is an apologetic liability. Embarrassment is the Messiah hanging on a cross; scripture even says that the cross is a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Greeks. The women didn’t witness the resurrection but the appearance afterward. I men at this point the women is such a side issue that why even worry with that liability. The entire account isn’t contingent upon their testimony, even though it does add weight. It just doesn’t make sense for Luke to be afraid of bringing the women up when he had already interjected them into the story. Even bringing them in and the disciples following the words of women would make the account weak, but Luke doesn’t shirk, he continues on by making a marked distinction between two accounts,“Him they did not see”.
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April 21, 2010 at 8:27 am
I forgot to add one thing.
The women said they saw no body, in other words it was empty. So why would Luke even make the statement, (Luke 24:24 [ESV])
“Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see.” They found it empty, of course they didn’t see Jesus if they saw no body. But someone saw him or else Luke wouldn’t have brought it up.
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April 21, 2010 at 11:21 am
Arthur,
You say your “proposition is that Jesus told the women not to tell *the Eleven*,” and claim the group of disciples the women spoke to in Mk 16:9-11 were not the 11. While this would be a neat way of harmonizing the text, I think the text disconfirms both propositions.
As for the idea that Jesus instructed the women not to say they saw Him, this is contradicted by John 20:17. Jesus says to Mary, “Go to my brothers and say to them,” and then proceeds to tell her what to say. Are we to believe that Jesus told her to deliver a message to the apostles, but not to tell them who it was from (the same could be said of Mt 28:10)? That seems unlikely. And even if He did, it’s clear that she disobeyed! So we’re still faced with the reality that Mary and the other women told the apostles and other male disciples that they had seen Jesus alive from the dead, and yet this fact was absent from Luke’s portrayal of the two disciples’ conversation with Jesus.
You might counter that John speaks of Jesus’ “brothers,” not His “apostles” or the “eleven.” But it’s clear that Jesus had the apostles in mind, and that Mary did tell the apostles. John 20:18 says Mary told these things to the “disciples.” Who were these disciples? John 20:19-25 makes it clear that the disciples included the Eleven. This is also apparent by looking at Matthew’s account. In Mt 28:10 Jesus tells the women to tell his “brothers” to meet Him in Galilee. In Mt 28:16 we read that the “eleven disciples went to Galilee.” So clearly Jesus had in mind for the women to tell the 11 apostles the message (in confirmation of my point above), and that the “brothers” are to be identified minimally with the 11 apostles.
As for the claim that the women did not tell the 11, this is also falsified by the text. In Mark, the women see Jesus and then go tell “those who had been with him” as they mourned and wept (16:10) about what they witnessed. They did not believe their report (16:11). When Jesus appears to the “eleven” later that day, he rebukes them for not having believed the women’s report (16:14).
That they told the Eleven is also clear in Luke. In Luke, the women tell their story to the “apostles” (24:10). Like Mark, they are said to disbelieve (24:11).
So it seems clear to me that we must understand Mk 16:9-11 to mean Mary told the Eleven about what she had seen, even though it is clear from Luke’s Gospel that other disciples were also present (Lk 24:9).
Jason
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April 21, 2010 at 12:39 pm
Cs,
It seems your take on this matter is highly influenced by your view of inspiration. My understanding of inspiration is that God’s involvement does not prohibit the author from making conscious choices of what content to include or to omit. Furthermore, it does not require me to think an author cannot have certain kinds of motivation for omitting certain details. For example, I don’t see why one would not question Matthew’s inspiration for leaving out the ascension appearance for some literary purpose, but Luke’s inspiration is deemed questionable if he leaves out Jesus’ appearance to the women to make his presentation as persuasive as possible for his specific audience. What do motivations have to do with inspiration?
And why think it’s wrong to leave out certain information if it is not necessary, and could detract from your purpose? Surely Jesus’ appearance to the women is not a central doctrine of Christianity, and neither was it needed to justify the claim that Jesus rose from the dead. So why think Luke had to include a fact that would unnecessarily cause some people to dismiss the other evidence he presented? As I noted to Aaron, when I am presenting the Gospel to a Western woman, I do not include the Biblical teaching on gender roles. Does that make me a false preacher? No, it makes me a wise preacher! There is no reason to include culturally offensive facts in my presentation of the Gospel. Likewise, Luke did not need to include culturally offensive facts in His. He did not change the Gospel by omitting that fact any more than Paul changed the Gospel by omitting women from his list of witnesses in 1 Cor 15.
I agree with your statement that “the entire rising from the dead is an apologetic liability. Embarrassment is the Messiah hanging on a cross; scripture even says that the cross is a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Greeks.” So why add more offense to this “crazy” story when it isn’t necessary? That’s my point. Again, I could be wrong. I just don’t find the other options more persuasive.
Jason
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April 21, 2010 at 12:44 pm
cs,
To your point in #31, that interpretation doesn’t seem plausible to me. Luke had two opportunities to mention Jesus’ appearance to the women, and both times he didn’t. Why would Luke choose to disclose Jesus’ appearance to the women through this obscure phrase, rather than direct statement? And the inference is not a clear inference anyway. The point of saying “but they did not see him” could just have been in response to the women’s claim that the angels said Jesus was alive. The disciples went to the tomb, and while they didn’t find Jesus’ body, they didn’t see Jesus alive as the angels had said either.
Jason
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April 22, 2010 at 12:54 pm
Jason
Can we trust human discretion? To say the reason the writers wrote what they wrote is because they were worried of what people thought degrades the quality of the work. Does it not? Would you trust a scholar who admitted he omitted details because of fear?
Motivation vs Inspiration is not were l’m trying to go because I’m sure they were all motivated to get the account exacted.
As you’ve already noted – he may not have left any information out at all. “Him they did not see,” is still a viable argument for the text. Yet, you are still digging to find a reason Luke omitted, which is not exactly what he did. He just didn’t specifically detail the matter. Actually you noted the comment about Western women to me in comment 24. (Not trying to be overly picky.) Luke had already brought women into the argument. Women were the ones that gave the directive for the disciples. Culturally women were weak and without opinions, yet the disciples followed their lead. Luke did not omit this detail so why would he omit the detail of women seeing Jesus. It would seem logical that if Luke was trying to be socially sensitive and avoid introducing unnecessary stumbling blocks then he would have focused only on the disciples’ discovery of a bodiless tomb and exclude any account of the women.
Not saying they changed any kind of Gospel, just saying if they shaped their writing out of fear then were they inspired? There must be another reason.
Ok.. so we are coming at it from two totally different angles. I see this as so minuscule that it wouldn’t hurt the audacity of a resurrection. You see it as a damaging detail that would cause someone to doubt an already unbelievable event. Am I wrong in this conclusion?
To be honest my thoughts on inspiration has been adjusted over the years and I’ve come to know that God breathed doesn’t mean God wrote, but God used their personal experience, personality, and education. So, I could be wrong in where I stand on this text as well.
The writers never said why they didn’t record something so why should we judge that? To me the text leans heavily upon the women’s testimony and the distinguishing mark between the two accounts was, “him they did not see.” Can I beat this drum a few more times?
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April 22, 2010 at 2:02 pm
To your point on 34. It may not be clear but does it have to be clear to be true? Your question, “Why would Luke choose to disclose Jesus’ appearance to the women through this obscure phrase, rather than direct statement?” That is a better question. We do not know why. Does an obscure phrase that has a possible inference stronger than an unspoken phrase with only speculation?
The text itself has plenty of wiggle room to speculate but the stuff that isn’t written can’t be speculated about.
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April 22, 2010 at 3:33 pm
Jason,
I don’t think most of the objections you raised are problems at all, and I’ve addressed them above. The one problem I see that you pointed out is John, which doesn’t appear consistent with my interpretation.
How about this? Jesus appeared TWICE before the women – first to Mary Magdalene, then to two of the other women. (Mark 16:9-13)(Note: I’m reading “two of them” in verses 12-13 to refer to two of the women, not two of the disciples). At least in the case of the two other women, and perhaps with Mary as well, Jesus told them not to tell the Eleven that he’d returned.
The “other women” followed Jesus’ instructions, leaving out that they’d seen Jesus (thus Luke doesn’t report the women telling the Eleven about the resurrection). But Mary Magdalene told the Eleven that she’d seen Jesus. (John 20:18)
As I read Mark 16, Matt 28, John 20 and Luke 24, this would reconcile them. The two problems I see are:
(1) Mark 16:9-13 seems to indicate that Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene first, then appeared to the other women. My interpretation of events would have the other women speaking to the Eleven first (they leave out seeing Jesus), then Mary speaking to the Eleven (she tells them she saw Jesus). If the women went DIRECTLY from seeing Jesus to the apostles, then the order is backwards. My interpretation has Mary seeing Jesus first but speaking to the apostles last.
(2) I’m proposing that the other women did not tell the Eleven about seeing Jesus but Mary did tell them. However, in Luke 24:10, it says that Mary Magdalene was telling “these things” to the apostles, which would suggest that Mary didn’t say anything substantially different from the others.
“And they remembered His words, and returned from the tomb and reported all these things to the eleven and to all the rest. Now they were Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James; also the other women with them were telling these things to the apostles. But these words appeared to them as nonsense, and they would not believe them.” (Luke 24:8-11)
So Luke 24:11 seems to imply that it’s all happening simultaneously. However, where this passage is vague, another passage (Mark 16:9-14) makes it clear that the appearances by Jesus and women speaking to disciples didn’t occur all at once.
So my reconciliation isn’t the most obvious interpretation, but I don’t think it’s contradicted by the text.
Arthur
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April 22, 2010 at 3:53 pm
cs,
Who said Luke was motivated by fear? Why not think he simply realized that the testimony of the women witnesses would either be dismissed by those he wanted to persuade, or its presence in the story would cause some to doubt the veracity of the other reports by male disciples. And if it would make his presentation less persuasive, he chose to leave it out. The choice doesn’t need to involve fear at all.
But what if he was fearful? How would that change anything? From whence do we derive the principle that someone cannot be inspired if they are fearful? God’s inspiration is what guarantees the content. The motivation of the human “scribe” seems irrelevant to inspiration. What matters is that the end product is exactly the way God wanted it to be, however it was that this came about.
Why would Luke omit the detail of the women seeing Jesus but not the detail of them seeing the empty tomb or angels? Because Luke needed to report the discovery of the empty tomb, and it was only women who discovered it. I do find it interesting, however, that Luke makes sure to note 2x that this was verified by men! When it came to the resurrection, the women may have been the first to see Jesus alive, but there were plenty others who saw Him alive as well, so there was no need to mention the women’s experience. That seems plausible to me.
And I would dispute your characterization of the male disciples as “following the lead” of the women in Luke’s Gospel. If anything, they didn’t. Luke says they didn’t believe. Only Peter and at least one other disciple even thought it worth checking out.
As to comment 36, yes, I am speculating about something that is not written, but I think this speculation is justified. What we have going on in Luke is very different from what we have going on in the other Gospels. For example, there would not be much need to speculate as to why Matthew didn’t include the ascension. But to speculate as to why Luke didn’t record a particular event when he talked about the very context in which that event transpired on 2 different occasions, and both times he chose to talk about less important details, is warranted. It would be like if Matthew recorded Jesus’ final appearance at Bethany, but didn’t record the ascension. One would be justified in speculating as to why he wouldn’t mention that important fact given the fact that he chose to talk about the very context in which it occurred. For Luke to speak twice about the context in which the women saw Jesus, but not mention the most important detail of that event is as puzzling as the person who when reporting on their latest church service, mentions the songs they sang during worship, but fails to mention the man who was raised from the dead at the end of service. That would be a puzzling omission indeed!
Jason
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April 22, 2010 at 7:09 pm
Thanks Jason. Those are things that I needed to work through. Although I disagree to a certain point but I can’t say your point is completely without merit. Thanks for you time and intellectual energy! Blessings.
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April 28, 2010 at 4:26 pm
Arthur,
I actually favor the position that the appearance to Mary was different from the appearance to the other women, but that doesn’t solve your problem. Presumably, John would be recording the appearance to Mary, and as I’ve already shown and you agree, it’s clear from the text that she told the apostles about seeing Jesus.
Matthew and Mark record the appearance of Jesus to the other women, and I already demonstrated how both accounts make it clear that the women went and reported their experience to the apostles. So the report that both groups of women would have delivered to the apostles and the other disciples present (of which the two on the road to Emmaus were a part) was that they saw Jesus alive.
Jason
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June 25, 2010 at 12:29 pm
The thing I’ve never understood about the resurrection harmony’s is that they have Mary running off first and telling Peter, when Luke 24:10 clearly says it was Mary Magdelene and the others who told Peter about the angels, but it seemed to them an idle tale! If anyone has a harmonization of the accounts that fits in luke 24:10 please tell me! I’m dying to know!
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September 3, 2010 at 12:44 am
Ryan,
I may have been putting off a response to your question (due to time considerations), but I haven’t forgotten it!
When one reads Luke, they would walk away with the following impressions:
1. Jesus never appeared to the women (only the angels)
2. The entire group of women, including Mary Magdalene, returned together as a single group to the 11 apostles to tell them about the empty tomb and angelic appearance
3. This was the first time Peter had heard about the empty tomb. He leaves the 11 apostles to investigate the tomb to see if it was empty as the women said.
When one reads John, however, they would walk away with the following impressions:
1. Mary runs to tell Peter and the beloved disciple to tell them Jesus’ body was missing
2. Peter and the BD investigate the tomb, and then return to their homes
3. Then Mary sees the angels, immediately followed by Jesus Himself
4. Mary tells the disciples of the appearance of the angels/Jesus (presumably this group included all of the apostles, perhaps with Peter and the BD present, or perhaps not)
The two biggest problems are (1) John has Mary in a group of women who tell the Eleven, including Peter, what they see, while John depicts Mary alone delivering the message to Peter separate from, and prior to the Eleven; (2) Peter investigates the tomb prior to the other apostles hearing the report in John, but after the Eleven hear the report in Luke.
These, and many other differences between Luke and John have caused many conservative scholars to propose two separate angelic/Jesus appearances to the women: one to Mary, and one to the rest of the women who initially set out for the tomb with Mary on Sunday morning. On this theory, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joseph, Salome, Joanna, and other women all journeyed together to the tomb early Sunday morning (Mt 28:1; Mk 16:1; Lk 24:1, 10; Jn 20:1). When they arrived, they saw the stone rolled away (Mt 28:2; Mk 16:3-4; Lk 24:2; Jn 20:1). Mary assumed someone must have taken the body, and immediately ran to tell Peter and the Beloved Disciple without even investigating the tomb itself (Jn 20:2). The other women, however, remained behind at the tomb. They go into the tomb to investigate, at which point they see the angels and receive the message of Jesus’ resurrection (Mt 28:3-7; Mk 16:5-7; Lk 24:3-8). They immediately run off to tell the disciples what they had seen (Mt 28:8; Lk 24:9). Minutes later, Mary Magdalene returns with Peter and the Beloved Disciple, both of whom investigate the tomb. They find Jesus’ body missing just as Mary had said. Puzzled, they return to their homes, leaving Mary behind (Jn 20:3-10). At this point Mary investigates the tomb for herself. When she stoops down to look into the narrow opening, she sees the two angels sitting where Jesus’ body had been, who ask her why she is crying. (Jn 20:11-13) Then, turning around she sees Jesus but mistakes Him for the gardener. He reveals Himself to her, and then commissions her to deliver a message to the disciples (Mk 16:9). She runs off to report what she had witnessed to the disciples (Mk 16:10; Jn 20:14-18). After leaving Mary, Jesus appeared to the rest of the women who were still in transit to the disciples’ house. He greeted them, and then instructed them to tell the disciples to meet Him in Galilee (Mt 28:9-10).
This reconstruction has the advantage of eliminating most of the differences between John and the Synoptics. On this reconstruction, it must be said that Luke omitted Mary’s testimony to Peter and the BD (recorded by John), and skipping straight to the part of the story after she sees the angels. Indeed, just like John, Luke shows Mary telling the larger group of disciples about the angelic visitation immediately after it happened.
Two problems remain, however. The first is that Luke portrays all of the women as coming to tell the disciples together, while John (and the proposed historical reconstruction) portrays Mary as being alone when she delivered her testimony of seeing the angels/Jesus to the “disciples.” One possible explanation for this might be Luke’s proclivity for telescoping events together. Telescoping is done when an author condenses a longer account into a shorter account. One form of telescoping is taking events that are separated in time/location, and fusing the details together and presenting them as if they occurred at the same time/location. Luke is known for doing this. For example, he portrays all of the events of Luke 24 (empty tomb, appearances, ascension) as if they happened on the same day, and yet we know from other Gospels and from Acts (Luke’s 2nd book) that these events took place over a 40 day period. So it could be that while he portrays all of the women as coming together, they actually came separately and reported two similar experiences. This is plausible since Mary would have arrived not long after the other women. Indeed, if the larger group of women arrived at 7:30, and then Mary showed up at 7:40, it doesn’t strain credulity or credibility for Luke to name all of them as part of a group.
One difficulty that remains for this reconstruction is found in Matthew’s account. He begins his resurrection narrative by noting that Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to the tomb early on the first day of the week (28:1). When he reports on the angelic appearance, he notes that the angel spoke to the “women” (plural). When he reports on the appearance of Jesus, he consistently uses plural pronouns. Readers of Matthew would naturally assume that the women to whom the angel spoke and to whom Jesus appeared was none other than the two Marys previously mentioned. If the above reconstruction is accurate, however, Mary Magdalene was not present at the angelic appearance narrated by Matthew. This difficulty is not decisive, however, since there are several instances in the Gospels in which what one would naturally assume given the details recorded by the Evangelists, is in fact false. In John’s account, one would naturally assume that only Mary Magdalene went to the tomb, and yet John hints at the presence of more women when he records Mary using the plural pronoun “we” to describe the event. In Luke’s account, one would naturally assume that all of the events narrated in Luke 24 occurred in a single day, but in Acts 1 it becomes clear that they took place over a period of 40 days. So while one would naturally understand Matthew’s account to mean Mary Magdalene was among the women to whom the angel and Jesus appeared, this need not be the case. It is reasonable to think that like the other Evangelists, Matthew knew of the presence of other women who journeyed to the tomb with the two Marys, and it is they to whom he refers in his use of the plural (though, like John, he does not make this explicit).
The second remaining problem, and the more significant problem, is Peter’s tomb visit. According to John’s report, Peter visited the tomb prior the angelic appearances to Mary/women, and prior to their report to the Eleven. According to Luke’s report, Peter visited the tomb after the angelic appearance to Mary/women, and after their report to the Eleven.
Again, this difference might be explained by Luke’s proclivity for telescoping: He chose not to report Mary’s departure from the tomb to get Peter and the BD, and yet he still wanted to report Peter’s investigation of the tomb so he telescoped this event together with women’s testimony to the “disciples” of the angelic appearance. Necessarily, then, he had to portray the tomb visit as after the women’s announcement. Another reason he may have chosen to mention Peter’s investigation of the tomb at this juncture in his story is to contrast Peter’s response to that of the other apostles. While Peter took the claim seriously as evidenced by his investigation, the others dismissed it out of hand as an idle tale. On this view, Luke intentionally displaced the chronology of Peter’s visit to the tomb for literary purposes.
This explanation is questionable, however, given the testimony of the two disciples on the road to Emmaus. In their conversation with Jesus, they noted how some women disciples found the tomb empty and encountered angels who announced Jesus’ resurrection. Immediately after saying this they note, “Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see” (24:24). They appear to be providing a chronology of events: women go to the tomb, find it empty, see angels, return to tell the male disciples, the male disciples investigate the tomb. In their chronology, the disciples’ investigation of the tomb clearly comes after the women’s report to the apostles. Thus, we have two instances in Luke where (presumably) Peter is said to have gone to the tomb after the women reported seeing the angels. Unlike the first mention of Peter’s visit to the tomb, the other apostles’ disbelief is not mentioned, and thus the two disciples’ chronology of events cannot be explained in terms of serving some literary purpose (unless we suggest that Luke altered their words to fit his previous chronological arrangement). It seems doubtful, then, that Luke transposed the chronological order of Peter’s tomb visit for literary effect. It is more reasonable to think Luke is accurately chronicling the sequence of events.
This creates a problem because Luke’s chronology is clearly at odds with John’s. Unless we are willing to admit a contradiction, the most obvious solution is to conclude that Peter went to the tomb twice: the first time after Mary’s initial visit to the tomb to see if Jesus’ body had been stolen, and the second time after the women’s report of seeing the angels. But we should rightly wonder why Peter would do such a thing. He knew from his previous trip that the tomb was empty, so what did he hope to gain from a second visit? One possibility is that he hoped to see the angels, or given the seriousness with which he took the women’s report, he may have hoped to see the resurrected Jesus Himself. Notice what the two disciples said: “Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see” (24:24). Who is the “him”? It cannot be a reference to the angels, because “him” is a singular pronoun. Peter must have hoped to see Jesus. Given the additional information Peter received, it is plausible to suggest he visited the tomb a second time.
While I would like to put a period here, I admit that this explanation is not without its own problems. The similarities between Luke and John’s account make it hard to believe they are describing two different visits. Both Evangelists report Peter’s observance of the linen cloths (that the cloths were by themselves), and both report that Peter returned home afterward (Lk 24:12; Jn 20:6-10). While it is possible that Peter returned home after both visits, it stretches credulity to suggest that Peter made the same observation regarding the burial cloths on two separate occasions.
If the tension between Luke’s and John’s chronology cannot be reconciled by postulating that Luke purposely displaced the chronological sequence of events, and if it cannot be reconciled by postulating that Peter visited the tomb twice, then maybe it can be reconciled by postulating that John purposely displaced the chronological sequence of events. This seems quite unlikely, however. John alone reports the fact that Mary visited the tomb twice. Her first visit was rather unremarkable. She didn’t see the angels, and she didn’t see Jesus. All she saw was the stone rolled away. So why did John record it? The only reason for John to record it is because of what Mary did after her initial visit to the tomb: run to get Peter and the BD. The BD, as the author of the Gospel, wanted to report his own trip to the tomb, and thus felt compelled to offer the otherwise uninteresting back-story of Mary’s initial visit to the tomb. There would be no reason for John to invent a previous tomb visit just to associate it with his investigation of the tomb if, indeed, he and Peter did not investigate the tomb until after the women’s report to the larger group of apostles. The fact that he feels compelled to add an additional tomb visit none of the other Evangelists discussed in order to explain his own visit to the tomb argues strongly in favor of the chronological accuracy of John’s account. This leaves us in a quandary. If neither Luke nor John chronologically displaced the event for their own literary purposes, and if it is unreasonable to think Peter visited the tomb twice, then I am left without an adequate explanation for the difference between Luke and John on this point. If you have one, I’m all ears!
Jason
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September 14, 2010 at 10:24 am
Luke, who was not a witness to the resurrection or its immediate aftermath, was constructing a narrative by drawing on various sources. One of those sources was Paul. The material contained in Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians is supposedly the oldest witness to the resurrection and was written before Luke’s gospel. Paul reminds the Corinthians that what he received was that the risen Jesus first appeared to Peter. Paul then names others to whom Jesus appeared but does not include any women among them.
It stands to reason that the writer(s) of the gospel of Luke were very much aware of the Pauline account of the resurrection appearances. Luke was trying to find a way to harmonize the pauline account with others in circulation at the time. Luke was likely constrained to give Paul some significant deference. So how was Luke to reconcile the pauline version that does not include the women as resurrection witnesses with the traditions found in the other gospels that depict women as the first witnesses?
Notice that unlike the other Gospel accounts of the resurrection, Luke does not state, either implicitly or explicity, who it was that Jesus first appeared to. Read and compare the gospel narratives for yourself and see. If you read Luke’s gospel carefully, you can see that Luke leaves open the possibility that Jesus appeared to the women. My guess, then, is that Luke does not mention the appearances to the women in order to accomodate the pauline resurrection witness, which he does in a way that does not exclude the possibility that the women witnessed the risen Jesus. So basically, Luke didn’t state that the women saw Jesus risen but he doesn’t deny it and provides details that render the women as witnesses plausible. I won’t go into a detailed demonstration. But read the four gospel witnesses along with Paul’s account in first Corinthians and see for yoruselves.
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September 14, 2010 at 4:54 pm
Monzer mansour,
I noted the Luke-Paul connection in comment #2, but did not argue that Luke omitted the women witnesses to give deference to his mentor’s presentation of the witnesses. That is a possible reason for Luke’s omission and “re-writing” of the Emmaus road conversation between Jesus and the two disciples. Of course, this would only cause us to back up one step and ask why Paul didn’t include women witnesses in his list. Either he was unaware of them, or more likely, he purposely omitted them for the same reason I argued that Luke omitted them: it was an apologetic liability.
And you are right that Luke does not number the appearances, so it’s not as though his account conflicts with the other Evangelists’. It simply differs.
Jason
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September 14, 2010 at 9:56 pm
Okay, then let’s back up a step , as you say. Let’s consider in what sense Paul’s inclusion of women as witnesses may have been an apologetic liability. We can contrast two senses of liability, a stronger sense and a weaker sense. In what I call the stonger sense, Paul would consider mentioning the women to be a liability because of the perceived lack of credibility that female testimony is believed to have had in at least some quarters of the ancient world, including Paul’s own mind. By contrast, the weaker sense of liability would have to do less, if at all, with an inherent lack of female credibility. It would have to do with rhetorical strategy. In the same letter to the Corinthians, Paul chides his audience for having fallen into rival factions. He identifies three: Appollos, Cephas, and himself. Assuming that Appollos was not among the witnesses to the resurrection (no evidence to suggest)it would behoove Paul to appeal to the authority of Cephas to insist on the reality of the resurrection inasmuch as Cephas obviously enjoyed strong credibility with at least one faction of the Corinthians. We don’t know what, if anything, the church in Corinth had heard about Mary Magdelene in or about 55 A.D. especially considering that the Gospel accounts of Mary M. had probably not been reduced to writing yet. Paul, the master rhetorician/apologist is not likely to enlist what to the Corinthians may have been a possibly obscure and little known woman as part of his proof when faced with so strong a challenge on so critical an article of faith.
Fast forward to the composition of the Gospel of Luke. Now Luke is faced with a challenge of his own. The first letter to the Corinthians has been extant and circulating for at least a decade. For some if not many people, the witness to the resurrection contained in first Corinthians is all they know. If Luke were to write his Gospel so as to include the women as witnesses, he risks creating the appearance of a patent inconsistency between his Gospel and first Corinthians. So Luke carefully steers between the horns of the dilemna by neither denying the women witnesses nor asserting them so as to create a conflict with first Corinthians.
Under the scenario I have just offered up as a hypothesis, Paul, assuming he knew of the women witnesses, is not excluding them primarily out of considerations of female inferiority, even if he held such a negative view. Rather, his motive for the exclusion is primarily rhetorical as he unloads a litany of high powered witnesses. He begins with Peter, his best evidence, then cites the 12 apostles, then appeals to 500 brothers for numerical force, he cites James and the rest of the apostles and ends with himself as the opposite bookend to Cephas in the evidentiary litany. Paul of Tarsus, the master rhetorician. Luke the beloved physician, the able synthesizer.
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September 15, 2010 at 10:25 am
Your argument for Peter’s inclusion of Peter in his list of witnesses makes sense, but it doesn’t explain the others Paul appealed to (unless you are prepared to argue that there were Corinthians who considered James their leader, while others considered Thomas their leader, etc.
And what about the nameless 500+ brethren. If he could refer to a nameless group of 500+, then surely he could have referred to a nameless group of “the women.”
As for Paul not knowing the story of the women appearances, it is possible, but I find it unlikely. After all, the accounts contained in the canonical gospels were not private accounts that people would have been largely ignorant of until the gospels were released. Most of these stories would have been distributed orally for decades. I would be a bit surprised if a man of Paul’s stature, who travelled as much as he did, and who rubbed shoulders with the church leaders and original apostles, would not have known of these oral traditions.
You wrote, “Paul, the master rhetorician/apologist is not likely to enlist what to the Corinthians may have been a possibly obscure and little known woman as part of his proof when faced with so strong a challenge on so critical an article of faith.” I agree. He recognized that including women in his list would not help him make his case. If anything, it would be detrimental to it.
I’m not convinced by your suggestion that Luke did not include the women witnesses so as to avoid any appearance of contradicting Paul. Luke included Jesus appearing to two disciples on the road to Emmaus, but Paul didn’t. So why did Luke include that appearance if he was so interested in matching up his story to Paul’s list of appearances? If he could include the appearance to the Emmaus disciples even though Paul didn’t, then surely he could have included the appearances to the women.
Jason
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September 15, 2010 at 10:33 pm
I am not sure what you mean by “leader” in your opening paragraph but I presume you mean leader of a corinthian church faction, e.g. that of Cephas, Appollos or Paul. In any event, I had not limited inclusion in Paul’s list of witnesses to factional leaders. Paul was involved in the art of persuasion which gave him freedom to draw from sources he deemed persuasive and fitting within the style of the argument. It made rhetorical sense to list Peter first in a letter to the Corinthians because of his factional leadership in Corinth, even if Paul may have heard from one or more sources that Mary Magdalene saw Jesus first. But James would seem a good and credible choice for inclusion, too. The very fact that Paul appeals to James suggests he was known to Corinthians and other considerations bolster the likelihood that the Corinthians would have considered James a credible witness. If we are talking about the same James who presided over the council of Jerusalem, then it is likely that his reputation preceded him. If I’m not mistaken, most historians would opine that the council of Jerusalem over which James presided is generally thought to have occurred five or so years before first Corinthians was written. And, as you know, the council dealt with a very significant and sensitive controversy relating to the extent to which the Gentiles were under Mosaic law. The letters that the council sent by emissaries could very well have been known to the church in Corinth, which would lend authority to James testimony in other matters. Nor is it necessary for the Corinthians to consider Thomas or the other apostles “leaders” for Paul to appeal to the appearance to the 12 or to the rest of the apostles. It is not as if Paul was drafting his rhetoric constrained by some mechanical rule to appeal only to those who the Corinthians would consider leaders. Rhetoric is considered an art, the art of persuasion, not strict rule governed methodology.
(A question arises, perhaps, as to the extent I am suggesting that Paul would have played loose with the resurrection appearance tradition(s) handed down to him which would thus insinuate an infidelity on Paul’s part to the apostolic teaching in some sense. I would like to think that if Paul was leaving out some witnesses from his list, he was justified given the need to hone his persuasive appeal on so grave an issue, while at least being truthful as to the order that the witnesses in his list of six saw the risen lord in relation to one another.)
I now turn to your statement “If he could refer to a nameless group of 500+, then surely he could have referred to a nameless group of “the women.”” I take you to be searching for an explanation other than perceived lack of credibility in females for why Paul would refer to the 500 and not the women, given that namelessness is an attribute that both “500” and “the women” share. Two points: First, 500 witnesses can be perceived by people to have stronger rhetorical appeal because it has the attribute of numerosity which “the women” does not have. Second, while I continue to assume that Paul was aware of at least reports of women witnesses, he may not have been clear or convinced at the time he wrote 1 Cor as to the identity and number of women witnesses. If the Gospels are reflective of the prior oral traditions, consensus on who the women witnesses were is not evident. Mark lists one witness, Mary Magdelene. Matthew lists two, Mary Mag. and Martha. John identifies Mary Mag. as the only woman. Luke identifies, Mary Mag., Mary mother of James, and Joanna, although not necessarily (but plausibly) as witnesses of the risen Jesus, which suggests the possibility of an oral tradition that held those three women, rather than one or two, as witnesses. We do not know what Paul’s opinion was as to who was included in the female witness before he wrote 1 Cor. Bear in mind that Paul embarks on his resurrection witness argument in 1 Cor by stating that what he has told them is what he had recieved. From who? Was there a tradition among those he heard that Paul considered primary? Was it from Annanias when he ministered to Paul and the Spirit lifted the scales from his eyes? Was it Peter, James, Barnabas? Did the reports on the identity and number of women differ from among Paul’s sources so that Paul suspended judgment as to whether Mary Mag alone saw Jesus immediately post resurrection or whether other women were with her? It is possible that he did. And if so, that could provide another reason why Paul would be reluctant to appeal to the female witness insofar as he was unsure whether the female witness was one or plural. (The fact that Luke lists three women in his Gospel and Luke is closely associated with Paul is not dispositive on this question because Luke wrote his Gospel well after 1 Cor was written.)
In a subsequent paragraph, you argue that it is unlikely that Paul did not know about the women witnesses. I don’t know why you point that out because I said I was assuming that he did know about them.
Your final paragraph raises an interesting question. You state “So why did Luke include that appearance [to the Emmaus disciples] if he was so interested in matching up his story to Paul’s list of appearances? If he could include the appearance to the Emmaus disciples even though Paul didn’t, then surely he could have included the appearances to the women.”
Now we’re honing in on something that I am feeling to be very critical to the discussion. Let me restate a key sentence from my earlier post: “If Luke were to write his Gospel so as to include the women as witnesses, he risks creating the appearance of a patent inconsistency between his Gospel and first Corinthians.” To clarify, the inconsistency that Luke is supposedly trying to avoid here is not between women witnesses and no women witnesses. Rather, the inconsistency is that of women as first witnesses as opposed to Peter as first witness. If Luke is reasonably familiar with the various traditions, and I take him at his word that he is, what he had come across in his investigation with regard to the women witnesses is that they are consistently or frequently identified as the people to whom Jesus first appeared (see Matthew, Mark and John). However, Paul’s testimony to the Corinthians says that Peter was the first. The question of who was first in something is an inherently important one in human affairs, and no less so when we are considering who the risen lord chose to first reveal himself in his resurrected glory. Whether someone is claiming to be the first in line for ice cream or the first to file his judgment lien on real estate at the courthouse, being first carries with it an implicit claim to authority or importance in human affairs. (Notice, for example, how Roman Catholic teaching claims that Jesus first appeared to his mother “according to tradition.” That’s not surprising given the elevated status that Mary has in Catholic theology.)
So the answer to your final question is that Luke is not concerned with “matching up his story to Paul’s list of appearances” as you put it earlier. He obviously wasn’t. What he was trying to do, however, was to leave open the question of who saw the risen Jesus first. Maybe, as I had suggested earlier, he did not want to disturb those who adhered to the Pauline account of Peter as the first witness. Maybe he did not want to cross Paul. Maybe he wanted to make the subtle point that who saw Jesus first ultimately did not matter “so that no one may boast.”
Pax
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