Speaking of the debate on abortion, check out the pictures of a 10 week fetus below, still in its amniotic sac. The mother was diagnosed with carcinoma of the cervix, so her entire uterus had to be removed, including the baby that was developing in it. Simply amazing. And to think that these babies are aborted on a regular basis in the name of choice. Sickening.
Thinking to Believe 
October 26, 2010 at 1:08 pm
I should add that the 10 week date is based on the last menstrual period, not the gestational age. The actual gestational age could be 8-9 weeks.
Jason
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October 26, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Simply awesome! Our world should rise up in outrage that our most innocent treasures are being destroyed.
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October 26, 2010 at 8:25 pm
What has always amazed me is how the same people who feel this baby is just a lump of inconvenient inconsequential flesh to be flushed away, don’t believe in the death penalty in most cases. After all to put someone who brutalized women and then murdered them (and then in many cases tossed them out like trash, much like they do aborted babies), is an inhumane cruel and unusual punishment.
The sad thing is they would prosecute a young teen mother who has her baby and kills it. Yet they would applaud her if she had simply gotten a late term abortion. They don’t see that there is really no difference.
May God have mercy upon our country for the millions of babies we have collectively sacrificed on the altar of convenience. We make the ancients who sacrificed their babies look like pikers in sheer volume. Who knows how many scientists who could have found the cure for cancer or AIDS, etc. that never had the chance due to being aborted.
Check out this video on YouTube showing a speech by an abortion survivor.
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October 27, 2010 at 1:56 am
Darren,
Amen.
I’ve heard about this woman before, but I had never heard her speak. It’s an amazing story.
Jason
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June 29, 2011 at 10:30 pm
I would not exist if my father was aborted 57 years ago. Her mother (my granny) was laying on the abortion table when she felt a kick in her womb. She jumped off the table and did not let the doctor to abort it while her health was in grave danger. Despite her poor health she kept it for full term and amazingly gave birth to my father who passed away on 26th December 2010.
Thank you granny for not letting them to take him then because now I can hopefully give life to my baby too!!!
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July 4, 2011 at 9:34 pm
If you’re interested in strong, prolife arguments using secular logic and liberal values please check out this channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/WarThemedRevolution?feature=mhee
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December 9, 2011 at 11:59 pm
If the choice was just left up to the father of my child, my son wouldn’t exist. No it was my choice, and chose life. I had my son at 16 years old, and I have been raising my son without a father ever since. I am now 18, and i am not a christian. i just feel its wrong to kill babies.
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December 10, 2011 at 12:10 am
Colleen,
Good for you. Thank you for having the courage to choose life, even if the father does not support your decision!
Jason
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January 3, 2012 at 6:43 am
Im 21 weeks pregnant and i can’t even believe that there are still abortions performed this late! i can feel my baby inside me, kicking me and he loves me. i couldn’t imagine not loving a life that has been inside you for 5 months, how can someone feel a kick inside them and not think “this is a living human being” and not just any human being its part of me. i hope that the story of Amillia living after being in the womb for only 21 weeks and 6 days makes some kind of progress that at least it won’t be legal to abort this late in term. Any step towards it being illegal all together is worth it!
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January 18, 2012 at 4:16 am
Was the fetusndead after the removal?
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January 19, 2012 at 10:48 am
Sheldean, two others asked the person who posted that question, but she has never responded. I’m assuming the fetus was alive when it was extracted from the mother since this was the result of a hysterectomy rather than an abortion.
According to the person who posted the pictures (an OBGYN med student in India), the hysterectomy was performed on a 44 year old mother of 6 who was “diagnosed with carcinoma in situ of cervix (early stage cancer of womb).”
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May 9, 2012 at 7:50 am
Hi. I’m a journalist doing a stoy on abortion. I’d like to use these images, but wth higher resolution. Do you have them, or can you tell where I can get in touch with the author of those pics?
Thanks a lot.
You can write me at ricardo.perna@familiacrista.com
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May 11, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Click the link in my post and it will take you to the Flickr account of the person who owns them.
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May 11, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Thank you Jason, already saw the link and tried to contact the author directly.
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June 13, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I have a problem with abortion, I’m also pro-choice. You’re probably wondering how this is possible? Well, its an absolute fact that a fetus will be a person, there’s no denying that. But, when do they become a conscious, aware individual? That is the question. Those with religious beliefs usually believe that humanity begins at conception. I find this claim to be ridiculous, and based on nothing but a “gut feeling” or a misplaced belief in a book written in a time when science was thought of as witchcraft, but, there definitely is a point at which there is awareness and consciousness in the fetus. We’ve become pretty good at this science thing and that can help us determine when this development will happen. Prior to the development of a central nervous system, there is no possibility for the fetus to be aware, feel, think or exhibit any sort of function. Once this system has developed, that is no longer the case. Prior to the development of the central nervous system, I have no problem with abortion, the fetus never attained awareness or consciousness and really is nothing more than a potential person. After the central nervous system has developed, the fetus becomes aware, the developing brain is now connected to the rest of the body via nerves and has awareness. It is at this point at which I have a problem with abortion, I wouldn’t want any living thing to suffer. No doubt I’ll be thought of as a monster by those that are convinced that abortion of any kind is murder, but eventually, religion will fade and the world will be a better place for it.
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June 13, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Bryan,
You make a distinction between a fetus and a person, saying the former will become the latter. What’s the basis for your assertion? I would argue that a fetus is a person. Indeed, a fetus is simply a term we give to a particular stage of development of a human person on the same order of “child,” “toddler,” and “adult.” Making a distinction between a fetus and a person makes as much sense as making a distinction between a toddler and a person.
Apparently you think consciousness and self-awareness is what makes X a person, and you think that only personhood has value. Since human beings in the fetal stage of development lack self-consciousness and self-awareness, they are not persons, and thus are not valuable and can be killed at will.
So let me ask you a few questions. What is your objective basis for claiming that self-consciousness and self-awareness are what constitute personhood? Whose those qualities and not some other? And why do you think value resides in the exercise of certain capacities rather than the possession of those capacities themselves? Clearly the fetus possesses the capacities for self-consciousness and self-awareness in virtue of the kind of being it is (unlike a dog fetus who does not even possess such capacities), so why not value the fetus for its capacities? Why think that we should only value X when it actualizes those capacities? Indeed, if X is only valuable when those capacities are functioning in the present, then there are several groups of people that do not have value. Sleeping adults must not be persons since their capacity for self-conscioussness and self-awareness are not being exercised while in the state of sleep. The same is true of those in comas. Indeed, given your criteria, we could also kill newborns and infants up to about 2 years old since they have not yet developed self-consciousness and self-awareness. Are you prepared to advocate for infanticide too? That’s where your reasoning leads you. That’s what happens when you arbitrarily pick certain functional abilities as the sine qua non of personhood, and place value on the functional expression of those capacities rather than the possession of the capacities in the first place.
Jason
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June 13, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Bryan,
You said it’s those with religious beliefs that believe humanity begins at conception. Yes, and for good reason—the same reason informed non-religious people believe the same: it’s an established scientific fact that a new human being comes into existence at fertilization. All that remains to be debated is how we treat those human beings, and what gives them value. And these are philosophical questions, not scientific ones. Science can tell us what the unborn is, but it cannot tell us how to treat them. What you asserted in your comment is a philosophical position, not a scientific one—and it needs justification.
Here are just a few statements from embryologists regarding the origin of a new human life:
“[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” (Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed.; Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998, 2-18)
In the seventh edition of the same book we find the following:
“Zygote. This cell results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm during fertilization. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).” (p. 2)
“Human development begins at fertilization when a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoon) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell – a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” (p. 16)
“Human development begins at fertilization.” (p. 18)
In Essentials of Human Embryology we read: “In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. … Fertilization takes place in the oviduct … resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point… This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development.” (William J. Larsen, Essentials of Human Embryology, 3rd edition, New York: Churchill Livingstone, 2001, pg 1.)
Human Embryology & Teratology: “Fertilization is an important landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed… Fertilization is the procession of events that begins when a spermatozoon makes contact with a secondary oocyte or its investments… The zygote … is a unicellular embryo… “The ill-defined and inaccurate term pre-embryo, which includes the embryonic disc, is said either to end with the appearance of the primitive streak or … to include neurulation. The term is not used in this book.” (Ronan R. O’Rahilly and Fabiola Muller, Human Embryology & Teratology, New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, 5-55.)
And again: “Although human life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed. … The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity.”
Before We Are Born: “Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zygtos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being.” (Keith L. Moore and T.V.N. Persaud, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects, 4th ed.; Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, pg 1.)
There is no question that the unborn are human beings from the moment of conception.
Jason
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June 22, 2012 at 11:06 am
I’m sorry but ill or not… Both my children were not planned and I couldn’t face this type of slaughter of a baby!
I know a decision has to be made…I had a family member give birth to a baby killed be injection because it has fluid around the brain etc….sometimes unless 100% cert the parent would die then don’t do this….
We are here to keep existent going not kill for our own needs… I have 2 children but never wanted kids….but its life….
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June 30, 2012 at 7:36 am
Jason, of course, your faith-based reasoning reasons wrongly! Personhood is not there at ten weeks.Until around twenty weeks, no encephalization takes place for personhood. Your faith-based mere assertion should never apply legally! That indeed would be forced immorality on the rest of us!
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July 2, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Personhood is a philosophial concept, not a religious concept. And since you and I both believe in personhood, we both have the burden to ground our claims about what constitutes a person, and when personhood obtains. You can’t weasel out of this by simply calling it “religion” and acting like it’s a matter of faith.
As for forcing morality, everyone has a moral point of view, including you. You think a human being becomes a person at time t1, at which point they become valuable and are subjects entited to rights. You think that before that time it is morally permissible to kill them, and you want to be sure that your moral point of view on this matter is enshrined into law, so don’t play the moral high ground here by acting as if there is only one person who wants to enforce their morality. Everyone has a moral point of view, and the business of politics is to enforce one point of view over others. It’s inescapable. The only question if whose moral point of view is correct. And in this case, I think yours is philosophicall indefensible.
Jason
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July 2, 2012 at 3:24 pm
The difference is that ours is objectively-fact -based whilst yours stems from just your preference. That moral account for enforcing rules should stem from reality, not religious preferences. People should vote on secular grounds, not the-centric ones.
We come to a consensus, but having theo-centric grounds helps not at all!
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July 2, 2012 at 3:33 pm
What is fact-based about saying personhood obtains at some elapsed time after conception?
Do you honestly think theists do not have rational grounds for their moral positions? And do you honestly mean to say that in a democratic society people have to vote in a particular way–the way you happen to agree with!?!
Jason
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July 2, 2012 at 4:43 pm
What then are those inter-subjective rational grounds,Jason?
I imply not that others have to vote my particular way, but their voting should be fact-secular -based, that inter-subjective one.
People can be secular-based but be enforced-pregnancy advocates.
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July 2, 2012 at 4:45 pm
The fact-based position is that then they are persons who feel pain and have consciousness. No, comatose people still have personhood.
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July 5, 2012 at 12:23 pm
A fetus (up to say, 10 weeks) has:
– human DNA
– no conscious appreciation, no “mind” of any sort
– but the potential to develop that mind (or not)
A healthy adult human has:
– human DNA
– a mind
A severed human thumb has:
– human DNA
– no conscious appreciation
– no potential to develop a mind (yet?)
A spermatozoon has:
– Human DNA
– no mind
– potential to develop a mind (if it meets with an egg and becomes a fetus)
The reason I value human adults (and children, and even foetuses at 20 weeks) and not spermatozoa or severed thumbs, as PERSONS is because of the MIND. All of the above has human DNA, and is unquestionably human, some may have potential. But potential and posessing human DNA isn’t enough (for me) to be on a par with a thinking, being, emotive human adult with a MIND.
A 10 week old fetus doesn’t kick, it has no awareness at all, and does not respond to its mother. It cannot suffer, it cannot want, it has no medical interests.
Even if a 10 week old fetus did possess a mind, what other human has the right to use someone else’s body for its own survival, without their continuing consent, however innocent? None. I think bodily integrity is another strong moral component of the debate on abortion. At a certain age, the fetus’ right to life also comes into it, but this does have to be balanced against the mother’s bodily integrity (for example, almost everyone supports even late abortions in cases of absolute need for the life of the mother).
The development of mind in a fetus is a cloudy event which begins maybe around weeks 12-16. For these reason I think abortion becomes increasingly unacceptable after around 12 weeks, and once the fetus is capable of independance, or can be made so (eg: from around 26 weeks), I think in most cases abortion would be equivalent to infanticide.
Looking at that picture, I feel sad for the woman (if she is sad about losing this pregnancy), but not for the fetus. It had no mind, no self – so it has lost nothing. No more than potential – which is no more than every spermatozoon (except the extreme minority) loses every second of every day, and is not generally taken to be a tragedy.
I respect the right of others beliefs to dictate the choices they make in their pregnancies – but not mine, as I feel I have provided sound moral reasoning.
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July 5, 2012 at 12:26 pm
The reason why coma patients still have personhood is because they have a pre-existing mind and preserved interests. In reviving someone from a coma, you are restoring their mind (essentially the same as the process of waking up every morning) this is quite different to a fetus of 10 weeks, which has no pre-existing mind, no mind at all to lose, and no interests. If not bringing potential minds into existence is a wrong and a tragedy, then why aren’t we all have as many children (minds) as possible from the moment we are fertile?
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July 5, 2012 at 12:42 pm
People always say “I wouldn’t exist if my mother/grandmother/etc had an abortion” – of course this is true, but I wouldn’t exist if my mother had emigrated to another country before meeting my father. Does that mean emigration is wrong? Or if my mother hadn’t used condoms with her first boyfriend, or if she had used condoms with my father? What does that say about the morality of using condoms?
Of course, it says nothing – because we do not give account to all of the potential beings which might have existed if things had gone differently, they are not important – actual beings are important. You are important now, because you are an actual being. Before you became an actual being, actions which your parents did or didn’t take which resulted in your coming into existence, don’t hold a special moral value just because you now exist.
Think of all the brother’s and sisters you never had, do you weep for them all? In nature, around 50% of pregnancies spontaneously abort. Most of them so early that it is not noticed. The odds are when she was trying for you, your mother was pregnant a couple more times than she knows. But that’s not sad – if those pregnancies hadn’t ended spontaneously, there wouldn’t have been room for you, and you wouldn’t exist!
I’ve ranted enough now. I don’t judge those who are totally against abortion too harshly, but I think in possession of the facts, their view is not a morally sound one. Note I am pro-choice but I agree that late terminations (where say, steroids could be given and the child delivered healthy), are totally wrong, and abortions after 12 weeks certainly deserve serious moral consideration and a very good reason. It is a straw man to bring up 30-week abortions in a debate about 10 week abortions. They are morally different scenarios, for the reasons I have given.
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July 5, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Even the person who has put these images online says “amazing” not “what a tragic loss of a person”. You wouldn’t show the body of a dead child and say it was amazing.
That fetus is amazing, it is fascinating, and demonstrates well the beauty (but also the ruthless cruelty, poor woman has cancer after all) of nature. But it isn’t a person, it isn’t as precious as you or I. Not one comment here has reacted as though it is.
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July 30, 2012 at 9:52 pm
@ Jen>A 10 week old fetus actually does move and does so quite frequently. I am an ultrasound technician and see it all the time. The brain is also under major development during this time period. Have you been pregnant before or have children of your own? Probably not or else you would have a lot more respect for human life. And yes babies at 10 week gestation are humans. Also besides the fetus possessing a mind, it has a beating a beating heart. I have never heard a single ignorant pro-abortion person say anything about how the baby has a heart that beats, coursing live warm blood through its body. If you had no heart beat would you still be a living being? I think not. It’s not a matter of whether there is a fathomable mind in place as it has a body that’s alive with blood pumping through it, which in turn makes the fetus above a living being. With these kind of point of views your nothing more than a knowledge less waste of space!
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July 30, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Also Jen, don’t you think it would make much more sense that the murderers keep their legs closed instead of participating in the act that create these “mindless beings”? If your just going to kill the result and not be mature and selfless enough to take care of the consequences then DON’T have sex!
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November 22, 2012 at 9:48 pm
@Jen,
Your comment about a person making different life choices, ie migrating or not, being the cause of someone not being conceived is the most asinine comment I have yet heard from someone who is pro-choice. How could that possibly be compared, along with your condom comments etc. Because the conception happens, at that point we are speaking about seeing the life that was then created and what to do with that life or the potential for what that life will accomplish. Ashley made a very good point, you are obviously not a mother. I am and you see life completely differently the first time you hear your babies heartbeat. Or see your baby on an ultrasound moving around before you can even feel it. I lost a fetus at 7 weeks gestational age, it came out the same way you saw that fetus in the picture. I could see its eyes, arms, legs, the dark spot for its heart the umbilical cord that had been attaching it to me. I saw its heart beating 2 days before I lost my baby. I have cried for that child. It was MY baby. A life lost!!!! Not some mass of flesh causing my breasts to start filing with milk for a non human being in my womb. It had/has a value. There are more people than you know who have hearts who see the picture above and who’s hearts ache for that mother and that family who just experienced a death! Choosing to not have sex or to use protection or to migrate cannot POSSIBLY be considered the same thing as poisoning, cutting up, burning with saline solution a baby. Your arguements show me that there are too many people who are just so selfish if they can intelligently verbalize an argument that takes of the burden of conscience. I suppose you haven’t done research on how abortions are performed? It’s evil! How would you look at a mother shooting drugs while pregnant while in her first trimester? It shouldn’t matter because she is not hurting anyone but herself right?! Btw I am sure no one here supports the nazis, well some of the top abortion methods were developed by them in the concentration camps. Would you be able to go out your front door supporting the nazis? Why do people support them in how they kill babies and not how they kill adults? Pharm companies and medical labs put in orders which is a multi million dollar industry btw for pieces of these “non humans” to do research to help “real humans”. Why? If these babies are not just like us. They are the un-born not the non-human. People would be outraged in this country if we treated animals the way we do our own kind! I am just disgusted!!!!! There are other choices! I know for a fact if I had decided I didn’t want my daughter my parents, in-laws, extended family and close friends would have fought to have her and care for her. A lot of people would rather the baby be dead than cared for by another. It’s too bad we can’t make it that no one has the capacity to conceive until they pass some sort of test to make sure they realize the massive weight a few minutes of pleasure can bring. People need to stop being so selfish. Enough of my ranting. I hope someone out there reads this and spares even 1 life!
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December 22, 2012 at 2:53 am
What a precious picture of an unborn baby, my grandbaby is about that far along so it’s neat to see what the baby might be looking at in my daughters tummy. Also, is that it’s heart we are seeing inside it’s tummy? Very sweet.
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December 22, 2012 at 3:01 am
The “fact” Lord Griggs is that it’s human no matter what stage of life it’s at, and it’s alive, it’s not dead and waiting to become alive, it’s alive at conception…LIFE, that is a Scientific FACT!
On that we can agree….Life vs death
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December 22, 2012 at 3:02 am
this is a wonderful discussion we are all having.
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December 22, 2012 at 5:54 am
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December 22, 2012 at 6:06 am
Until they have consciousness, they are not persons. Person hood counts, not some cells and some mindless forms!
This hysteria does not vouchsafe the pro-enforced pregnancy movement, which is also against contraception that eliminates abortions and favors the failed abstinence movement.
As one woman states, to be pro-life, one should be pro-choice to keep down th enumbers of abortions!
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December 22, 2012 at 6:12 am
That it is human does not mean that it is a person! That’s a scientific fact.
I do so recommend this site!
Lord Griggs
[ Until I can access my WordPress account, I have to use my Twitter one. I do have lordgriggs and lordgriggs1947 there but I cannot use them anywhere else. People can blast me or – praise me there.]
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January 9, 2013 at 10:10 am
I have always wondered at the humans’ ability to try to justify the unjustifiable. I mean, at finding reasons to terminate a healthy pregnancy (and also to do other things that are not ethically or morally correct; and no, I’m not talking about homosexuality, gay marriages or gay adoptions just in case). It doesn’t matter what one does say or proofs lay on the table, pro-abortion advocates will always find something apparently reasonable to justify their position, which is not other that making excuses for the fact that they cannot take responsibility for their sexual lives because maybe, in the the heat of their passion, none in the couple felt like perhaps, wearing a condom or maybe taking a few seconds to reach the drawer and get one. Or just not having sex for a few days after forgetting to take the pill, or maybe because well, “it doesn’t matter if I go preggo, I can always have an abortion”. Like the title of one of Shakira’s early songs “What is not wanted gets killed” that talks precisely about a young couple getting pregnant and having and abortion. How little value has human life for humans! How sad to read comments that transpire so much bitterness and hatred, and the “enforced pregnancy” is cuasi-comical, like the statement of the mother of a woman who got pregnant in jail and made the jail authorities responsible for his daughter getting pregnant. Whose responsibility for her having sex was? I think pro-abortionists (and many others) would be happy if we lived in a society like the one from “Brave New World” from Aldous Huxley.
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January 9, 2013 at 10:16 am
Two typos: “enforced pregnancy” term, and “for her daughter”. Also, please, do not interpret the first line of my comment as homophobic, because I am not.
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January 9, 2013 at 10:40 am
Griggs,
You make a distinction between being human and being a person, and you say it’s a scientific fact. But the concept of personhood is not a scientific concept, but a philosophical concept. So please tell me how science could ever prove that an unborn human is not a person. It can’t possibly do so.
Indeed, justify for me why you even think it’s possible for a human to be a non-person. You claim that consciousness is the sine-qua-non of personhood. Says who? Justify this philosophically. Why should anyone accept that apparently arbitrary criteria? Why not rather think that persons are beings who possess a certain kind of nature, whether that nature has been fully expressed or not? If the mature expression of one’s nature is required before that person is considered valuable, then why not kill 6 year olds too?
Indeed, why even think that consciousness is a value-defining property. Says who? All this talk of what makes someone a person is nothing more than the tail wagging the dog. You find something that the born possess that the unborn do not, and then you decide that such properties are person-defining, value-defining properties, and the unborn’s lack of those properties means it’s not a person and can be killed at will. It’s argued that even newborns lack consciousness until at least 2-3 months after birth. If I want to kill my one month old, can I do so? After all, according to you it is not a person. Answer that for me.
Jason
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January 9, 2013 at 10:41 am
Gabrielle,
I think you are right. For the most part, pro-abortion thinkers are not thinking critically about the issue. Rather, they are looking for any sort of intellectual justification they can find so that they can engage in (or give others the permission to engage in) immoral behavior. Just read the testimonies of the women who get abortions. Even those who say they believe abortion is moral, and believe they did the right thing, and say they have no regrets, cannot help but to get emotional about it. Some of them write letters to their dead child, etc. While they try to make themselves believe it’s all right, deep down they know it’s not. Their emotions reveal the immorality of the act. I don’t know of any other medical procedure in which people cry about what they have done, or write letters to their excised tissue, etc. Abortion is different, and people know it despite their pseudo-intellectual babblings to the contrary.
Jason
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January 11, 2013 at 11:50 am
I am 10 weeks pregnant and the father bullied and bullied me into having an abortion, after feeling so desperate and alone I almost went ahead with the procedure, even after watching countless videos about it. Shortly after my arrival and as they were performing an ultrasound I fainted, I know it was Gods way of letting me know that I can do this on my own. I choose life and I choose my child over any selfish man.
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January 13, 2013 at 10:11 pm
Roberta,
I congratulate you for choosing life. So many girls who choose abortion are bullied into it as you nearly were. Your story is an example of true-pro-choice: you chose what you wanted, rather than what others wanted for you.
Jason
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January 21, 2013 at 8:34 am
Jason, if the mother had carried the baby to term, what do you think her prognosis would be? Would the cancer have grown to be untreatable in 9 months? If it was me, I would carry it and let God decide the rest.
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January 22, 2013 at 9:49 am
Rebecca,
I don’t have the medical background to answer that question. But I have known women who were diagnosed with cancer during pregnancy, and decided to wait until after the baby was born to undergo chemotherapy. The ones I know of survived, but I’m sure others have made the same decision and died.
I’ve even read that chemo will not necessarily harm an unborn baby.y, so a woman could decide to undergo treatment while she is pregnant.
Jason
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April 16, 2013 at 10:43 am
Thank you Jason for your balanced, scientific and logical reasoning and responses to the unbalanced, unscientific and illogical reasoning of those who call themselves pro-choice. My husband and I are finally successfully pregnant after losing three souls previously. My experience with those pregnancies were situations that truly taught me the sanctity and reality of the lives that I carried, even for so brief a time. In each of the three previous pregnancies I ‘knew’ when I was no longer pregnant. I can not explain it, so please don’t ask me. But even when a pregnancy test would be positive due to residual Hcg in my blood, I knew that ‘life’ had departed. We can only pray for those who refuse to acknowledge truth, their minds are darkened and will not respond to anything else.
Nicole
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May 7, 2013 at 12:58 pm
When I was asked to express my position on abortion in our University Newspaper in the 80’s, I wrote my position in rhyme, put it to music, made a Demo and sent it to Sanctity of Life groups; it remains unpublished:
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May 7, 2013 at 1:03 pm
WE WERE BORN
I am a prophet from the 80’s and the 90’s,
I see the trend of future come.
I see the dreams and visions for a bright tomorrow,
Hope will nurture up a rising son.
Turn the womb into a tomb
And say that choice is game,
To the unborn child you deny,
Even feels the pain,
But I can tell you this for sure,
It’s you and I before,
We were born. We were born,
You and yours justify,
What suits your fancy stock,
But who cares for the little ones,
The ones who cannot talk?
Some of us redeemed, remember,
Not so long ago,
We were born. We were born.
Although the world is full of chaos and confusion,
The joy of living hard to find,
Change is slowly taking over for the better,
Peace and life and all good things survive.
And our goal is worthy
Even from the start,
‘Cause we have our children,
To carry on the march,
Those of us preserving life,
Are thankful for the fact,
We were born. We were born.
So let the youth rise up and help their little brothers,
And sisters sleeping in their room,
Environment means clean and safety on the outside,
There should be no less in Mother’s womb.
We were born. We were born. Yes, You were born.
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May 25, 2013 at 10:11 am
Hey there! Do you use Twitter? I’d like to follow you if that would be ok. I’m definitely enjoying
your blog and look forward to new updates.
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May 25, 2013 at 10:27 am
I never read Bryan’s post(June 13, 2012) before today. He uses “conscious and aware”; as the criteria for a being human.
Some posters seem to have little or none of either so the Bryans of the world ought to be very careful on that slope you are treading on and clinging to.
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May 31, 2013 at 5:45 pm
september 11th Tribute
Yes, I am. “jason_dulle”
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July 25, 2013 at 8:46 am
The fact that the people here care more for a mess of cells more than the woman carrying it bothers me.
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July 25, 2013 at 8:51 am
@Claudia
YES YOU WOULD EXIST, BECAUSE FEMALES CAN GET PREGNANT WITH BONE MARROW. MAYBE IF WOMEN WEREN’T SO HYPNOTISED THAT MEN ARE NEEDED IN THE WORLD THIS WOULD BE KNOWN. SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH.
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July 25, 2013 at 8:58 am
GETTING AN ABORTION ISN’T THE MURDER OF ONE OF YOUR HUMAN BABIES. IT IS A CHOICE OF A WOMAN WHO MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE THE FUNDS TO RAISE A CHILD OR JUST DO NOT WANT TO EXPERIENCE THE HORRIFIC PAIN OF CHILD BIRTH. COUNTLESS BABIES ARE BEING ABANDONED BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS DON’T HAVE THE MONEY TO RAISE THEM BECAUSE THOSE STAINS THAT CALL THEMSELVES REPUBLICANS ARE GETTING RID OF FOOD STAMPS, WHICH MEANS THOUSANDS OF AMERICANS ARE GOING TO BARELY HAVE ENOUGH MONEY FOR FOOD AND CLOTHES. NOW LETS SAY THAT SOME ARE THOSE ARE PREGNANT PEOPLE. DO YOU REALLY WANT THEM TO HAVE A CHILD? THEY WILL HAVE NO WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. SO SHUT UP, YOU PRO-LIFERS.
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July 25, 2013 at 9:12 am
First of all, referring to yourself as a “mess of cells” shows you have little compassion for the sanctity of life.
Secondly, you need to take ESL classes so you can communicate in language other that “gutter” talk.
Thirdly, if your hatred for men and sex makes you so angry give them both up.
Fourthly, it seems to me that your anger is directed at Republicans and that is the only point I agree with you.
Notwithstanding. normal people believe that the life of the mother is important and if her life is in danger because of a pregnancy then terminate the pregnancy and if you live in Texas or other Republican controlled States that want to close abortion clinics and abolish food stamps because of their hatred you are both speaking from equal and opposites sides of Hate.
Move to a state controlled by Democrats.
There is nothing wrong with being pro life; after all, you were born.
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July 25, 2013 at 9:29 am
There are two important realities of life you must acknowledge and adapt to:
1: You must play the hand you are dealt; and
2, You must play the hand you deal.
That is the Life of all living creatures.
Be the Change you want;
Be the Champion you deserve;
Be the Wish you dream,
the Hope you need,
the Strength you look for.
Be Yourself.
To Be the Will
that turns your words to Action;
Only “Be-ing” can make it happen.
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July 25, 2013 at 9:47 am
KARKAT:
You already have several things going for you: you know how to compose your communication, you can type and you have access to a computer so let your fingers BE the action needed to Be the Start to Change. You will find plenty of supporters to help you in a Million Women Campaign.
For example start being an editor after you write and don’t sully your words of righteousness by allowing anger be the enemy of good:
This is better and says exactly the same thing:
Getting an abortion isn’t the murder of one of your human babies. It is a choice of a woman who may or may not have the funds to raise a child or who just does not want to experience the horrific pain of child birth.
Countless babies are being abandoned because their parents don’t have the money to raise them because those stains that call themselves Republicans are getting rid of food stamps which means thousands of Americans are going to barely have enough money for food and clothes.
Now let’s say that some are those are pregnant people. Do you really want them to have a child? They will have no way to take care of them. So shut up, you pro-lifers!
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July 25, 2013 at 10:45 am
A word to Karkat and the others following this post. Karkat has a bad potty mouth, anger issues, and apparently cannot (or chooses not to) engage in civil dialogue. Given my commenting policy, normally I would delete such posts. Since there were several responses to her posts, however, I decided to simply remove the profanity instead.
Karat, I welcome dissenting views on this blog, but you must express them in a civil manner. If you cannot abide by that, your future comments will be deleted.
Jason
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November 25, 2013 at 7:24 pm
I know this thread is old but I’d like to say, nobody finds the choice of an abortion easy and I think it’s so unfair for people to even suggest that anyone does. What if you can’t support this baby? What if your partner lives a few hundred Miles away from you? What if your 19 and your just starting your life. Your somebody’s baby and you know in your heart, you can’t look after a baby. Believe me I’m all for being responsible and it your responsible enough to have sex, you should be responsible enough to deal with the consequences but what if you were responsible about it? Took precautions but they failed you, you were the 1%. You’ve got 50quid in your bank account to last you the rest of your uni term as you try and make a life for yourself. What then? What if all you want in your heart is to be able to bring up this baby and let it have an amazing life, but you can’t. You physically can’t. That is such a mature decision to make and I don’t think anyone should be made to feel like they’ve coped out of anything. Having an abortion is something that’ll last in someone’s mind forever, scarring them and making them forever think what could’ve been. But to be able to know what’s best for this baby and know that actually, right now your not good enough is such a mature and truthful way to approach this situation. I’m in an agonising position where I honestly know, that no matter what. This is not my time. Please take that into account before pre judging as every situation is different. I’m not choosing death in this battle of life at all, I’m choosing life, a life worth living. A comfortable stable happy life for me and my future infants.
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November 26, 2013 at 1:49 am
I agree. The decision to abort a baby is a very emotionally complex decision to make. What it’s not, however, is a morally complex question. On a moral level, it is clearly wrong. All of the issues you raise would be important to the decision to abort…IF the unborn are not valuable human beings. But if they are valuable human beings, then all of the reasons you give do not justify an abortion. To see why, just replace “fetus” with “2 year old.” What if you can’t support your 2 year old? Can you kill her? Of course not. So why is it ok to kill your 2 month old unborn baby? The unborn are fully human from the moment of conception. They only differ from the born in 4 ways, none of which are morally relevant: 1) Location; 2) Size; 3) Level of development; 4) Degree of dependency on others. In the same way we should not minimize the difficulties pregnant women face, we should not minimize the humanity of the unborn just because it suits us to kill them from a practical perspective.
Jason
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November 26, 2013 at 11:32 am
Clara:
You are wrong about choosing your bank account or your age or whatever over the life of a child. At the very least allow your child to have the protection in the womb that you had before you were birthed, have the child and offer it to adoptive parents; there are many people who would love to care for your child and allow you to move on with your life. Yet I cannot believe that an abortion will not scar a mother for the rest of their life.
My ex wife wanted to abort our baby girl; I am glad she did not but just being so close to that thought still haunts me today. And she is a beautiful daughter, a beautiful girl and a beautiful life. Worth your 50 quid in the bank account. If you need to suffer for nine months is nothing compared to a non life forever, a piece of you, you are denying as well.
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November 26, 2013 at 12:00 pm
Hello,
I’m not by any means suggesting this fetus is not worth my 50quid, it’s worth millions more but I’m saying I don’t even begin to have the means to support this child neither does my boyfriend. I wish it wouldn’t come
To this choice but sadly for some people this is best. This baby is so young that it doesn’t have a nervous system or anything as of yet. I am apposed to abortions over the 7 week mark if it can be helped, but I think we’re forgetting the other lives involved not just this child’s. What about mine? What about my boyfriends? My mums? My sisters? The people that would have to support us finically who are unable too. Do these lives count for nothing? And I’m afraid a huge segment of everyone’s lives involved would be killed. This baby isn’t a 2 year old, 2 year olds are different to just 5 months fetus’. You can’t even compare that in my opinion. I’m sure this baby would be beautiful and lovely, I have no doubt about that at all and I want to make that clear. I’d love the idea of the adoption in theory but really, selfishly I couldn’t go though with seeing my baby and giving it too someone else.
I don’t mean to start and argue just disgussing my point of view. I think it’s just different opinions and until I put myself In this position I was completely apposed to abortions but I guess you don’t really know until you know that really you don’t have a choice because realistically what sort of life can you give you a child. I want to be excited to have a child but sadly I’m not and I don’t think those are fair circumstances for anyone.
Thank you for your opinions. Semi-regretting commenting on this didn’t realize I’d get an email haha!
Thank you for your opinions I full take them into account
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November 26, 2013 at 12:10 pm
Clara:
You said: “What about mine? What about my boyfriends? My mums? My sisters? The people that would have to support us finically who are unable too. Do these lives count for nothing?”
But that’s just the point isn’t it…those people are all alive and you think killing your baby will appease the living and make things easier for them.
If those people are so eager to live they ought to in the very least pool their resources and compassion and welcome the new generation of life. And while it may be a pity to see the birth and have to give it up, you will surely live more peaceably for it and if your life actually improves one day perhaps you can reunite with your beautiful child with tears of joy and not tears of sorrow for what you can control now if you go through with either choice you will not undo either but wisdom is prove right by her children.
Imagine you in the womb when you were 5 months old, you Mum, your boyfriend if their Moms would have given in to the whim of only another 4 months. Give life a chance with no regrets compared to 50 years of bitter tears for no life.
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November 26, 2013 at 12:13 pm
I apologise I meant 5 weeks!
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November 26, 2013 at 12:14 pm
Nature has endowed you with the means to support this child: share the shelter you have, breast feed for food, water for cleanliness and your time to care, nurture, love and be happy for your boyfriend and yourself. There is also tremendous social support if you live in a western country like the USA UK and Canada, Australia, France, Europe, New Zealand. Anywhere else you might have huge problems but life is worth living for the cause, never worth dying for the cause.
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November 26, 2013 at 12:16 pm
If I was in your womb this very day I would be crying out to my mother to help keep me.
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November 26, 2013 at 12:18 pm
My tears are welling as I write. I cry for your child. I cry to you and to your boyfriend too.
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November 26, 2013 at 12:21 pm
Only 7 months and 3 weeks left. July 17th, 2014. A wonderful summer for a Happy Birthday!
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November 26, 2013 at 12:27 pm
Most men treat women as possessions in an attempt to excuse their own inadequacies as men; “dominating” obsession itself the evidence of inadequacy!
“Man can never be a woman’s equal in the spirit of selfless service with which nature has endowed her. We worship women as the living embodiment of the spirit of service and sacrifice. A woman is the Mother of the Human Race and a righteous peace maker. The real ornament of woman is her character, her purity, her beauty.”
Ghandi
And her life giving. Mother of Mankind: MOM
Women of the World: WOW
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December 4, 2013 at 11:21 pm
Clara,
I understand that there are many concerns when it comes to raising a child, but if all of the justifications you offered for abortion were raised for a 2 year old toddler, we would say that none of those reasons justified killing the toddler. So the question is what moral difference there is between a 2 week old human and a 2 year old human. There are only four differences, and none of them confer moral value: size, location, level of development, and degree of dependence. Since the unborn are fully human from the moment of conception, and only need to mature, they have the same moral worth as a 2 year old or a 20 year old, and should be treated as such. If differences in the level of development of a human mean one human is worth more than another, then toddlers have less value than adults. So why can’t we kill toddlers? Clearly the level of development is not what matters morally. What we should be valuing is not the level of development a human has experienced to date, but the fact that they are a human being with a human nature, capable of maturing into an adult human being. We should value the capacities, rather than the complete realization of those capacities.
You say you couldn’t let someone else raise your baby, but you are comfortable with killing that same baby? Isn’t homicide worse than adoption?
Jason
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March 13, 2014 at 7:36 pm
All of you anti abortion people on here make me sick. Right in front of you was a baby to save and not one of you offered anything real, just words! If every one of the self righteous pro abortion bashers that commented on here denoncing and spitting hatred at those who choose abortion, if even one of you had offered to help this girl financially then you would have a right to speak the words you do. But not one, not one of you offered practical help! Ever heard the saying put your money where your mouth is people! If you put half as much feeling into helping mothers who choose to keep babies as you do into bashing those who don’t, maybe the tide would turn and abortion rates would actually go down.
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March 24, 2014 at 11:57 pm
Sar,
The baby could not be saved. The baby was not viable, and is long-dead. And this baby was not aborted. The baby died as a result of a life-saving medical procedure performed on the mother.
Don’t confuse moral condemnation for hatred. While pro-life people do think abortion is morally wrong (because it involves an unjustified murder of an innocent human being), we do not hate women who get abortions. Indeed, in many instances the women who “choose” abortion do so because they are forced by their boyfriends/husbands and/or their parents. They are often lied to by medical staff as well, being told that what’s inside of them is not a baby but a clump of cells. We have a lot of compassion for those who have had abortions. Many of them deal with extreme grief and guilt.
Pro-life people do put their money where their mouth is. There are more pregnancy crisis centers than their are abortion clinics in this country.
What are you doing to stop abortion?
Jason
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March 25, 2014 at 1:26 pm
Jason:
With all due respect Jason; I believe Sar is talking about Clara’s comments (Post 59, 62 & 70) about the fact that she is choosing abortion because neither she, her family nor her boyfriend and his family have the financial ability to support Clara’s baby if she brought it to birth; the pregnancy was 5 weeks at the time she posted her decision to abort the child. The is not a medical life saving procedure. I believe you are talking about a different commentary and Sar is lamenting the fact that no one on this thread has offered financial help to Clara if she did not abort the baby.
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March 25, 2014 at 3:05 pm
Perhaps so. If that is the case, then my apologies Sar.
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March 27, 2014 at 5:35 pm
SonofMan is correct. I was speaking about the responses made to Clara’s posts.
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March 27, 2014 at 5:43 pm
I believe the fundamental flaw in the pro abortion movement is demonstrated very well by the flurry of brutal recriminations and overwhelming emotional blackmail directed at Clara with a complete absence of practical suggestions or offers of help. Clara’s fears were logical and practical and yet not one of you offered logical practical help. You were all talk. And all about stopping the abortion. I don’t care how much money you put into the anti abortion cause! I want to know how much you spend on the support of those who chose to keep their children, or would choose to keep their children if they had enough financial security to raise those children?
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March 27, 2014 at 5:49 pm
Obviously meant to say anti abortion movement
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March 28, 2014 at 10:03 am
Sar:
Just curious but were you by chance ready, able and willing to offer Clara any financial support to help her make a different choice and keep her baby?
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March 28, 2014 at 10:09 am
Sar:
That question was not meant to be mean spirited but some of us, while ready and willing are not able to offer financial support, although a fundraising venture may have been an option; but, one would have had to establish if Clara was speaking in parable form as analogy to draw attention to the wider problem or was she indeed having a life issue herself and how could the proof of that knowledge be established do you think?
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April 1, 2014 at 9:23 pm
I completely believe in abortion. I don’t care about the names that anyone calls me but an abortion saved my life. I was friends with a man, from friendship grew love, we dated, I ended up pregnant. I was happy about the pregnancy, he was happy, we spent hours a day window shopping and talking about almost nothing but our unborn baby. After I passed the 9 week mark he had the assumption that abortions weren’t possible anymore, and he thought that once the heart was beating I wouldn’t ever have an abortion, as I had told him I could never see myself as doing something like that. And it is exactly when he changed as a person and became very abusive.
Trust me, my first thought was not an abortion at all. It was run away, as far away as humanly possible. I tried to get my work to transfer me out of state, I was willing to quit my job if I needed to. My love, turned ex, started using our unborn baby to threaten and control me. Threatened to take custody away if I didn’t stay. He made 2.5 times the amount of money I made, and threatened to take me to court until I was so broke I couldn’t fight anymore and he’d win custody by default.
I went to 3 different lawyers and each gave me bad news advise. The father could not be banned from seeing his own child. I could obtain a restraining order myself, however the father first has to prove a danger to the child. They told me he could torture me all he wanted basically, as long as he was a good father I was stuck. I would never be able to move out of state without his permission, per the lawyer and confirmed by state law. And I would be required to go to court if the father continued to sue for custody. Just as the father threatened, if I couldn’t support the child financially they do see you as unfit and it could have an impact on custody.
I tried reasoning with the baby’s father, he was devoted christian and I was not. I told him if he truly loved this baby he would not spend all his energy trying to seek revenge on me and trying to punish me for not wanting to be with him any longer. He just got worse, he purchased a gun, the threats kept growing, but he was smart enough to never do them by email or text, only by cell phone and in person. Without proof it was hard to build any case against him.
I stopped sleeping, I barely ate as I spent all my time and energy focusing on finding a way to protect my child and myself. I almost miscarried twice from all the stress, I begged him to back off and I let him know the stress he was putting me under was jeapordizing the health of our baby. Within 3 weeks I lost many pounds, and by my next doctors appointment the entire office could see absolute agony across my face. My doctor suggested abortion, which I didn’t think of as an option until she brought it up. I researched it, I spoke to the clinic, I told them what was happening and they informed me that alarmingly a large portion of their clients are those trying to escape an abusive relationship. Unfortunately our laws haven’t caught up witht he times of protecting women.
At first I had only lied and told my ex that I had the abortion with intent of running away afterwards, but he proceeded to follow me and stalk me. That’s when I had the abortion, and after that I warned my ex never to speak to me or talk to me again as there was no longer a child and no reason for him to contact me anymore. I threatened him with a restraining order, I notified the security at my work of what he looked like. And he knew I was serious that if he contacted me I would have him thrown in jail.
Did I want that baby, of course, I’ve never cried so much in my life. I was and I still am devestated by what unfolded. I had the abortion to escape the abuse I was subjected to. And I had it because what kind of life is that for a child, life on the run, moving from home to home hiding from daddy. Daddy threatening mommy with a gun. I actually grew up in a house hold like that and it was hard living in one place for a week, moving again because dad found us. Just like my ex, my dad made more money then my mom, he threatened her with custody and he never wanted me, he just wanted to hurt my mom.
I’m very grateful for the fact that women have the right to choose. And I haven’t taken the life my child gave for granted. I quickly got my life back on track, back in school, purchased a home, became the best member of society I could be as I felt I owed it to my unborn child for the life they gave for me. But again I do not regret my choice at all.
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April 2, 2014 at 9:52 am
Amanda:
No one can judge another; only the one who wears the shoes can make the judgment in everything we do. You are the only one who can and must, play the hand you are dealt and you play the hand you deal. Happy is the person who does not condemn her self for what she approves.
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April 5, 2014 at 5:56 pm
FAKE. To big to be 10wks, or even 20wks for that matter
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April 6, 2014 at 11:25 am
cpmondello:
You need to comment on Youtube; it is the home of most people who don’t know what they’re talking about, ever!
On this site you are homeless unless of course you are a medical examiner, coroner or qualified pathologist which in the likelihood of the possibility realm, slim to none but if I’m wrong I will be quick to apologize.
Make me apologize, I don’t mind.
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April 10, 2014 at 11:42 pm
No I couldn’t afford to offer Cara any money which is why I don’t go around trying to guilt people who make very tough choices. If all of you can not raise the money to help bring one child to adulthood then why do you feel it is morally sound to forcefully push that poor young woman to attempt it on her own! Please open your eyes and see that the war you want to rage on abortion would be better off fought in developing and defending a society that supports the poor and weak. A society that gives women better choices. Do you know how much a baby actually costs? How much it costs if that baby is born early and needs hospitalisation for weeks or months? What if that baby is born with a disease that requires life long medical expenses? Etc choose your battles wisely, and maybe consider going after the real underlying problems in the system rather than the victims of that system.
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April 10, 2014 at 11:54 pm
Ah I’m sorry SonofMan, you weren’t one of the zealots. I will read more carefully b4 I comment next time. Sorry again. I wish I could offer financial help to people sometimes. It’s so sad that we are all so disconnected from each other, wouldn’t it be great if young pregnant girls with no support were matched up with lonely elderly couples in too big houses. Lovely symbiotic relationships like that would be so awesome but most people are disconnected from their communities, and this sort of thing is rare.
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May 13, 2014 at 7:46 pm
Sar I would like to thank you. You explained my point so accurately.
Everyone in their right mind, obviously, would choose to keep their child and only hope that their child grows up with an amazing life. You are all, however, missing the point. So, theoretically speaking- a baby is born into a family that has been stricken with poverty. Parents are homeless, have no money or literally anything to support this child.. Do you honestly think that this is a ‘moral’ choice? You would rather choose to bring a baby into that lifestyle knowing that potentially a few years later, that child could die, all because you felt it deserved a life. Ofcourse, I’m not doubting that any human should be restricted a life, but surely you are restricting this child’s life when it is actually able to feel and understand it’s surroundings. You would rather see the child’s demise after it is actually born when it will actually suffer if it is not given the support and protection any baby needs. If you can stand there and promise that these children that are born into unfortunate situations such as this, have your entire support- financially and emotionally- that is when you can voice your opinion in such demeaning way to me, or anyone else that has to face these tricky circumstances.
I’m sorry if you do not agree with that, but please, open your eyes and realise that you may well be encouraging other young women to keep a child that is not fully guaranteed a proper life.
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August 6, 2014 at 2:01 pm
My financial situation actually got worse, my relationship with my boyfriend ended and my family is in a worse situation than ever finically as I stay on my sisters sofa and have been doing for 3 months. The abortion was incredibly difficult, I was a 19 year old student living in the UK. I have to live with what I did each day, and have the ‘what if’ and I’m completely aware of both sides of this arguement. Before I was in the situation I was in, I didn’t believe in abortion and always claimed I wouldn’t ever have one, but you truly do not know what you would do unless your facing the situation for yourself.
I think the way you people talked to me emotionally blackmailed me and made me feel even worse in the decision I made. There is an extreme amount of pressure on someone trying to make this decision.
None of you helped, or even tried to.
Not financially but emotionally, none of you talked to me with any respect and I think you should be utterly ashamed of yourseleves.
People in glass houses.
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August 6, 2014 at 2:19 pm
lara:
You are now, what you were then. Full of self, blaming everyone else including your financial predicament and not excepting that you were not coddled enough? Get out of here. You were offered reasons and logic not to abort the child; your emotional crutch needs to be borne solely by yourself.
Obviously the reason and logic of life the posters offered did not sway you from your choice; now, you bear the emotional fallout; with a child you would have had natural emotion to succeed, love and what we call maternal instinct to drive you to thrive for your child but all you managed then was your own sense of ego and limitations and woe is me, pity me.
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September 28, 2014 at 5:31 am
When I initially left a comment I seem to have clicked the -Notify me when new comments are added- checkbox
and from now on each time a comment is added I receive four emails with the same comment.
Perhaps there is a way you can remove me from that service?
Kudos!
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September 28, 2014 at 7:08 am
womenscenter.com
You “seem” to have clicked the Notify Box?
Did a ghost lead you to the click box, or the ouija board?
You can’t remember or admit you actually clicked the box?
Do you have 4 or more email accounts all connected to the email account you entered when you signed up to wordpress, hence the theo notification? Or was there actually four comments that activated the cyberdirector to forward them according to your “click”?
I cannot find any comment on this thread from womenscenter.com except your complaint comment.(unless you used a different name) I am curioius what you may have commented now that you have revealed the true you.
When I get tired of constant email notifications on my phone, I turn it off. May I suggest with all due respect if you have nothing to add or want nothing to impinge your womensceter viewpoint, deleting your wordpress account may be an option?
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October 23, 2014 at 12:04 am
Sonofaman
Shut up, you’re annoying.
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October 23, 2014 at 9:59 am
amby:
Jesus was told the same thing. Are you a Pharisee?
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December 12, 2014 at 2:07 pm
Sonofman. The way in which you have spoken to Clara disgusts me. You’re a bully pure and simple. Your opinions are your own and not representative of everyone’s, and as such don’t need to be rammed down people’s throats.
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December 12, 2014 at 2:12 pm
Mrs W:
Clara killed her unborn baby, not me. And that disgusts me. I know I am not representative of everybody and I didn’t claim to be. Jesus was not representative of everybody either though he was Everyman.
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May 23, 2015 at 11:40 pm
And if the mother to be was raped and is only a child herself ?! What I’m she was only 12 yrs old ?!
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August 20, 2015 at 12:00 pm
Interesting picture. It would look cool as a pendant.
I agree with some of the posts above. Meat is not human, or any kind of being, until it develops consciousness. Consciousness defines being.
“I think therefore I exist”
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August 21, 2015 at 7:40 am
Lorea:
“Consciousness?”
When Mom was pregnant for me and I was yet growing in the womb and my senses were being developed, my Mother used to regularly bring down the record player and play her collection of music. I use to love hearing her try to sing the operas like the recorded artists and singing along with the country and western singers.
In those days the records were made of brittle plastic and the speed of the records was 78rpm…later the plastic developed non breakable material but the 78’s once dropped they almost inevitably broke into pieces and you’de have to go and buy another record from the store to replace it. Later on when the industry started changing and developing new records, the Long Plays) LPs had a speed of 33 1/3 rpm while the small single records were 45rpm. Also important with the LPs and the 45’s they were made of plastic that would not break if they were dropped, unlike the 78s
Well anyway, one day Mom went upstairs to retrieve the record player and her collection of 78rpm records as was her custom but as she descended the stairway she stubbed her foot on the step and fell down to the floor. Lucky for her and I she was already at the last step down so she didn’t fall far but the record player and the records, oh my goodness, they went a-flying from her arms, all over the place and smashed to the floor; needless to say, as you can imagine most of the records broke into hundreds of pieces and so ended the regular sweet sounds of music which ended my easy listening but thankfully, nothing happened to me, nothing happened to me, nothing happened to me, nothing happened to me………………………
My question then: I would love to hear your definition of consciousness and your belief of when consciousness begins?
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September 29, 2015 at 12:38 pm
Thanks for sharing.
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July 10, 2019 at 8:00 pm
That is not an infant though. Women have the right to early term abortion.
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