“The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.” – Mark 1:1
“…these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.” – John 20:31
“Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning with this Scripture he told him the good news about Jesus.” – Acts 8:35
“For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.” – 1 Corinthians 2:2
“For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures.” – 1 Corinthians 15:3
This is my first post, and I’m so glad to join Jason here. He graciously introduced me, like forever ago, but here I am just now. Very sorry for the delay, much going on personally, like a new job. So, nevertheless, here it finally be, my inaugural post on this auspicious blog amongst esteemed colleagues. But seriously, I hold Jason in the highest regard, a great friend, and a deep thinker and good writer, many thanks to him! I’ve got other posts on deck, but I wanted to start with this, so that you know what I care about most deeply.
I’m listening to the great book by the Nobel prize winning psychologist, Daniel Kahneman, Thinking, Fast and Slow. This is a fascinating book with many takeaways on human behavior, learning, thinking, and the way the mind works. There is good reason for professionals of every kind to read it. There are lessons and nuggets for marketing, economics, leadership, teaching, and studying. Anyone engaged in leading, communicating or influencing might find it not only interesting, but helpful. The useful observations come about a page a minute, and have the effect of immediately sounding like common sense once you hear them explained, and yet you wouldn’t have come to the conclusions on your own.
Here’s one: haloing. Haloing is a term to describe the way in which human judgment is influenced by the sequence in which words, images, or experiences are presented, particularly the greater influence of those which are first. For instance, if I describe to you a person that I know but you’ve never met with these words: good guy, hard worker, outgoing, sports crazy, but some anger issues. You will believe I’m describing a generally good person with redeemable qualities but with a few problems just like you. But let’s switch the order: some anger issues, sports crazy, outgoing, hard worker, but a good guy. Same descriptive words, with merely a reversed sequence, and you would react with a differing judgment. The first words “halo” what follows.
Here’s another one: anchoring. Anchoring is a term to describe the way in which the first bit of data given influences answers to a question. For instance, if persons are asked a question such as, “did Mahatma Gandhi die before or after age 9?”, their answers are pulled toward the given information, in this case, age 9. If the given age is changed, then the grouping of the answers shifts toward it. The given piece of data provides a fixed point to the mind and influences the answers the mind responds with. Similar to haloing, anchoring points to the cognitive bias humans make towards the first pieces of information which are presented. So, the general truth about the power of first impressions.
What’s this all got to do with Jesus? Simple. I believe that we Christians vastly underestimate the ease with which we, the Church, may overshadow Jesus of Nazareth and His Gospel. I suggest to you that a sermon, a song, or a service, even one chock full of orthodox content and Bible verses, can swing easily wide of the Gospel center. And it is common to do so.
In particular, I’m thinking of these things: the way in which a song can sound and feel good but ultimately be about us and not Christ; the manner in which a sermon’s opening illustration can dominate; the overwhelming effect of style over substance; the importance of excellence and relevance of presentation as a virtue today; the lure of spontaneous exhortation in preaching; and the given themes repeated in exhortations and sermons week by week. We could go on.
Haloing and anchoring and similar patterns of human judgment are not things you can overcome with tricks or techniques, no, they are things you must take into account. We all tend to reason in these and other similar ways. In the moment as we hear and listen and experience, our minds are directed in these similar paths, and over time, we are slowly shaped and formed not only by what we hear, but how we hear it, by the repetition, the sequence, and the tone.
This general truth about human judgment and reasoning is exactly why, I think, Paul was so unflinchingly focused upon the person and work of Jesus Christ. I think it is also a good reason why God inspired not one, but four Gospel accounts of the life and work of Jesus of Nazareth. And to think, we still struggle to get the point.
There are practical things we can do. We can make sure that we stay centered on the text when we preach and teach. We can try to preach biblical topics in proportion to their representation in Scripture: death and resurrection get mentioned always, the grace of God constantly, life in the Spirit often, the millenium sometimes, and the rapture, like never. We could take our sermon or lesson notes before each Sunday and put a Sharpie to good use and mark out every side note, soap box, rant, illustration, quote, poem, or story which otherwise does not highlight, exalt, or point to Jesus as worthy, awesome, and completely satisfying. We could decide to talk about Jesus and the meaning of His life and death and resurrection more by volume by a hundred-to-one of anything else we talk about.
Yes, we need to take this Gospel truth and sing it, explain it, illustrate it, and expound it, but we need to constantly be centered, and this takes regular recalibration. The only way I know to do this is to, as much as possible, not only halo and anchor, but surround and submerge what we do with the person and work of Jesus: start with Jesus, fill it up with Jesus, and end with Jesus. Easier said than done, but strive, we must. Pointing always to Jesus.
So, that’s my big thought of the day. What’s your response? What are ways in which we can keep Jesus, in the worship and work of the Church, front and center?
April 2, 2014 at 6:15 am
Yes, this book is getting very good press; Thinking Fast and Slow. Sensible stuff.
One of the first comments that I responded to on this blog was, “did God hate Esaw? “. Can we use Jesus’ words to confirm this statement as being true? If so, how do we present this fact so as to properly represent God and many people’s understanding of the forgiveness of God through Jesus Christ? If we can’t accept this biblical statement, why not?
Remember the book that was referenced. The order in this presentation is most critical, don’t you think?
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April 2, 2014 at 9:21 am
cmoore2014:
So glad you finally arrived on the scene, welcome.
It is with pleasure that I marvel at your inaugural post for two important reasons; firstly, I have always been amazingly flabberghasted that Christians, who so quickly claim to follow Jesus, leave him out of their conversation so often and so completely. While I believe that most Christians are victims of other people’s rigid interpretation of scripture so much so that when they want to support their beliefs, they open that Book and watch the words of god, infinitely versatile, dance across the page like ninjas, each one a soldier for them and their hard core dogma, citing everything from Deuteronomy to Zephaniah and Revelation but generally nothing about Jesus and the Gospels but what Jesus said matters. Jesus, it seems, is a “cornerstone” taken for granted. I am therefore pleased to hear you start your address with reference to the “Cornerstone” as did Philip
Secondly: Psychology was the love that compelled my decision to major at University. Psychology takes ordinary behaviour we take for granted and makes that behaviour so suddenly obvious that it ceases to be ordinary. By causing the mind to understand the significance of the ordinary in this extraordinary way, psychology expands consciousness of thinking.
Again thank you for your post and welcome to my world of boundless understanding, not that I have it all yet but I’m closely working on it.
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April 2, 2014 at 2:57 pm
“What are ways in which we can keep Jesus, in the worship and work of the Church, front and center?”
We should maintain foremost this principle: adhere to the integrity of Scripture to communicate the consistency of Messiah. “Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation. Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” (HEBREWS 13:7, 8)
I consider the Bible, all of it, Old and New Testaments taking into account this testimony and advice from the apostle Peter, “For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto you do well that you take heed, as unto a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.” (II PETER 1:16-21)
Yahshua (Jesus) tells us in the Gospel that Scripture (and of course He’s referring to Moses, the Psalms and the prophets) testify about Him. (JOHN 5:39)
Paul writes, “Moreover, brethren, I would not that you should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.” (I CORINTHIANS 10:1-5) Paul tells us that although God’s people received their strength and sustenance by way of the Rock, God’s Messiah, some went on to violate their relationship with Him thus losing all. According to Jude:5, “I will therefore put you in remembrance, though you once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.” Paul concludes by reminding us, “Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.” (I CORINTHIANS 10:11) Guide by Scripture.
The Bible presents us with the whole counsel of God so we must strive to understand His Word in its entirety. Follow Scripture so as not to become confused or manipulated by bias or misrepresentation. In the Book of Daniel the command is given to “understand the matter, and consider the vision.” (DANIEL 9:23) In the Book of Matthew Yahshua tells us, (“whoso reads, let him understand:”). (MATTHEW 24:15) God declares the end from the beginning. (ISAIAH 42:9)
God sent His Messiah, His only begotten Son, for His Glory to all humanity; to seek and save what was lost. God sent Him to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel (MATTHEW 10:5-8) as well as to bring righteous judgment to the Gentiles. (ISAIAH 42:1-4) Messiah Yahshua made an everlasting covenant with all people, Jew and Gentile, for reconciliation with God and to fulfill God’s plan of Redemption. (ISAIAH 42:5-7; 52:13-15; 43:1, 5-11; LUKE 24:44-47)
YHWH proves faithful and true. He delights and assures in keeping His promises. All His covenants shall come to pass for Yahshua Himself makes this certain; consistent to the end. (MATTHEW 5:17, 18)
“Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that is within me, bless his holy name. Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits: Who forgives all your iniquities; who heals all your diseases; Who redeems your life from destruction; who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies; Bless the LORD, you his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word. Bless you the LORD, all you his hosts; you ministers of his, that do his pleasure. Bless YHWH, all his works in all places of his dominion: bless YHWH, O my soul.” (PSALM 103:1-4, 20-22)
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April 2, 2014 at 3:30 pm
Yahshua? front and centre?
Matthew 24: And Jesus said unto them………….KJV
Jesus answered:……………………….NIV
Jesus said to them,……………………NLF
And Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach…OJB
And Jesus answered and……………ASV
Jesus answered them, Be careful
that no one misleads you……………AMP
Can’t find Yahshua: what bible do you read that uses the term Yashua in the Gospels? Any?
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April 3, 2014 at 10:27 am
Leo,
The Word of Yahweh
Second Edition
Copyright 2003
ISBN 0-9679386-2-7
“That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honored, all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of the Messiah, and members in particular.” 1 Corinthians 12:25-27
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April 3, 2014 at 4:45 pm
Frank:
I was referring to scriptures where the term Yashua was used as a translation of Messiah or Jesus, or Christ.
OIC
(WoY) The Word of Yahweh
Yahweh, Bible
This is a King Iames Version that has restored some Names and also corrected the text in places.
Restores The Sacred Name instead of rendering The Sacred Name as “THE LORD”. This version restores The Sacred Name using the English transliteration “Yahweh”, and also uses a more friendly transliteration for The Anointed One’ Name, i.e. – “Yahshua”. While these may not be the best transliterations for these Names it is a far cry closer than the rendering “THE LORD” or the total mis-transliteration “Jesus”. Also uses the name Jacob instead of the misnomer James for the Apostle
Thank you.
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April 3, 2014 at 6:50 pm
Dale, please forgive me. I’m not gifted in connecting other the mental dots in the minds of others. How does your question about the Scripture snippet you mentioned, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated,” have to do with my post? The Scripture reference is Malachi 1:2-3, and quoted by Paul in Romans 9:13. Can you elaborate?
Thanks, Chad
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April 3, 2014 at 11:35 pm
I’m all for centering on Christ in preaching and teaching, but the technique advocated sounds too much like psychological marketing, which is nothing more than manipulation.
Preachers and teachers should prepare, study, and have outlines at the ready, but by what means ought they to rely on when it comes to their delivery?
Rhetoric? Intentional leading by the nose? Eloquent words of human wisdom? Demonstration of the power of the Holy Spirit?
If the audience doesn’t know that the speaker is purposefully using haloing and anchoring (or some other devised method) as a means to persuade them into believing and receiving some statement about Christ to influence and control their psyche (possibly) against their own intellect, we then have, in my opinion, an abuse of power. Consider the following verse:
2 Corinthians 4:2,
2. But we have rejected shameful hidden deeds, not behaving with deceptiveness or distorting the word of God, but by open proclamation of the truth we commend ourselves to everyone’s conscience before God (NET).
Open proclamation merely speaks the truth as it is known and has been received. It doesn’t employ sophisticated, albeit hidden techniques most people have never even heard of to convince the audience that what is being said is true (nor give offense to the listener’s conscience in the process). The truth of Christ and His Gospel stand on their own merits, and should not be believed and received because a herald of that truth employed a carefully devised method of delivery, but because they are inherently true and worthy of belief and reception.
Center on Christ because He is the Center. Don’t justify the means to get to the end.
John 15:26,
26. When the Advocate comes, whom I will send you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me…(NET).
A preacher or teacher truly filled with the Holy Spirit of the Father, commissioned with an anointing to herald the Gospel of Jesus Christ, will naturally, by the Spirit’s (and not his or her own) intent, proclaim and bear witness to Jesus Christ, through, but without the extra aid of, the intellect of the preacher/teacher, sufficient to the pleasing of God.
The sermons in the Book of Acts are replete with this methodology. None of the Apostles or Prophets of the New Testament ever taught the concepts espoused in this blog. They spoke under the unction of the Holy One as it moved them in the moment to speak.
If preachers and teachers are supposed to be instant in season or out (1 Timothy 4:1-3), and are not supposed to consider beforehand what they should speak if ever brought before a persecuting authority (Matthew 10:19, Mark 13:11, and Luke 12:11), then why should a preacher or teacher make sure they are, ahead of time, properly haloing and anchoring Jesus Christ in their sermons according to their own will and ideas of what it means to properly halo and anchor Christ?
Where is reliance upon the Holy Spirit in any of this?
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April 4, 2014 at 12:47 am
An account concerning the name/identity of the angel of the LORD – El Shaddai – The Almighty – the GREAT I AM:
“And there was a certain man of Zorah, of the family of the Danites, whose name was Manoah; and his wife was barren, and bare not. And the angel of the LORD appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son. Now therefore beware, I pray thee, and drink not wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing: For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head; for the child shall be a Nazarite unto God from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines. Then the woman came and told her husband, saying, A man of God came unto me, and his countenance was like the countenance of an angel of God, very terrible: but I asked him not whence he was, neither told he me his name: But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death. Then Manoah intreated the LORD, and said, O my Lord, let the man of God which thou didst send come again unto us, and teach us what we shall do unto the child that shall be born. And God hearkened to the voice of Manoah; and the angel of God came again unto the woman as she sat in the field: but Manoah her husband was not with her. And the woman made haste, and ran, and shewed her husband, and said unto him, Behold, the man hath appeared unto me, that came unto me the other day. And Manoah arose, and went after his wife, and came to the man, and said unto him, Art thou the man that spakest unto the woman? And he said, I am. And Manoah said, Now let thy words come to pass. How shall we order the child, and how shall we do unto him? And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Of all that I said unto the woman let her beware. She may not eat of any thing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: all that I commanded her let her observe. And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, I pray thee, let us detain thee, until we shall have made ready a kid for thee. And the angel of the LORD said unto Manoah, Though thou detain me, I will not eat of thy bread: and if thou wilt offer a burnt offering, thou must offer it unto the LORD. For Manoah knew not that he was an angel of the LORD. And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour? And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret? So Manoah took a kid with a meat offering, and offered it upon a rock unto the LORD: and the angel did wondrously; and Manoah and his wife looked on. For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground. But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD. And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God. But his wife said unto him, If the LORD were pleased to kill us, he would not have received a burnt offering and a meat offering at our hands, neither would he have shewed us all these things, nor would as at this time have told us such things as these. And the woman bare a son, and called his name Samson: and the child grew, and the LORD blessed him. And the Spirit of the LORD began to move him at times in the camp of Dan between Zorah and Eshtaol.” (JUDGES 13:2-25)
“And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD (YHWH): And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty (El Shaddai), but by my name JEHOVAH (YHWH) was I not known to them.” (EXODUS 6:2, 3)
“And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.” (EXODUS 3:13-15)
“Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. And he said, Draw not nigh hither: put off thy shoes from off thy feet, for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.” (EXODUS 3:1-6)
Judah then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh there with lanterns and torches and weapons. Yahshua therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered him, Yahshua of Nazareth. Yahshua saith unto them, I am he. And Judah also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Yahshua of Nazareth. Yahshua answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way: That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spoke, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.” (JOHN 18:3-9)
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April 4, 2014 at 8:10 am
Frank:
All conspiracists fill in the blanks of all events relating to the conspiracy after the event has come to pass for nobody knows the future and none can forsee it. Jesus speaking: “But the exact day and hour? No one knows that, not even heaven’s angels, not even the Son. Only the Father. So keep a sharp lookout, for you don’t know the timetable. It’s like a man who takes a trip, leaving home and putting his servants in charge, each assigned a task, and commanding the gatekeeper to stand watch. So, stay at your post, watching. You have no idea when the homeowner is returning, whether evening, midnight, cockcrow, or morning. You don’t want him showing up unannounced, with you asleep on the job. I say it to you, and I’m saying it to all: Stay at your post. Keep watch.” Mark 13:32-37
leo-ltg
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April 4, 2014 at 8:50 am
Chad I agree we should keep Jesus front and center. However, pagan practices have slipped into the church. Easter, Christmas, and other holidays. I am not one that makes a big deal about those days. I do give gifts for Christmas but I do not like Easter. I am not a Sabbath keeper but we place people who keep the Sabbath in the realm of Jewish law keepers.
We say we keep Jesus front and center but at every conference, all I hear is organization worship. If you are something biblical then you are shunned. Kinda funny, really. That may be a scathing assessment but to keep Jesus front and center we would have to return to a Jesus form of Worship. Stripping away the pagan practices, return to a early church model. Even the sermons I hear are mostly motivational speeches and very light on biblical substance.
It is Jesus, all about Him, practicing Him, preaching Him, living Him! The book of Matthew records Jesus’ teaching to his disciples only and what it means to be a disciple. Pretty shocking stuff and radical from my modern perspective. God help us… Thanks for your post and I agree…
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April 4, 2014 at 9:42 pm
Watch but don’t let paranoia sink in.
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April 5, 2014 at 11:05 am
css:
Here’s an example for you to mull over about keeping Jesus front and centee.
Now is your own case, you said that “I am not a Sabbath keeper….” SO what did Jesus say about the Sabbath would be a good starting point to support your own position, example:
I would like to tell you that the reason Jesus did not break the Sabbath Day, not because it was a religious Decree or because he had another Day to Observe. The reason is very clear why, when he and his followers were accused by the Pharisees of breaking the Sabbath Day. And here is the reasoning that Jesus used:
MARK Chapter 2: 23-24 One Sabbath day he was walking through a field of ripe corn. As his disciples made a path, they pulled off ears of corn. The Pharisees told on them to Jesus: “Look, your disciples are breaking Sabbath rules!”
25-28 Jesus said, “Really? Haven’t you ever read what David did when he was hungry, along with those who were with him? How he entered the sanctuary and ate fresh bread off the altar, with the Chief Priest Abiathar right there watching—holy bread that no one but priests were allowed to eat—and handed it out to his companions?” Then Jesus said, “The Sabbath was made to serve us; we weren’t made to serve the Sabbath. The Son of Man is no lackey to the Sabbath. He’s in charge!” In other words: The Sabbath Day was made to serve man not Man to serve the Sabbath Day; therefore Man is master of every day including the Sabbath Day!
The bottom line: Man is Master of the Sabbath, the Sabbath is not Master of man.
cheers.
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April 5, 2014 at 4:59 pm
css:
You mention that “….pagan practices have slipped into the church.” Now “pagan” it should be note usually denotes cultural practices as well as religious ritualism but in reality some events are ritualistic not because of religion but because of the nature of humanity, the natural human experience, the physical, carnal aspect of man “where the rubber meets the road”, to turn a phrase.
All mammals, birds, fish, plants, coral; in other words, pretty much all life-forms on planet earth actually, have a season for procreation. It is typical to say that animals come “into season”, a polite way of saying they have sex or copulate, spawn or procreate and humans are not much different except we don’t seem to have a specific season to “act on the sperm of the moment”, so to speak, but we do have a season. Humans have a specific time, a specific “season” when mating dominates the mindset. The season I’m talking about is what we call Christmas; it’s also known by other names in various cultures: The interesting yet confusing history of Christmas has caused scholars to come up with various theories on why the 25th of December was chosen as the day of Christmas and I have developed my own theory of Christmas. Though Christmas is celebrated as the birth of Christ or Jesus of Nazareth, the actual date of birth of Jesus is disputed but that is merely a moot point about Christmas because it is not just a single day event, like New Year’s eve when the seconds are counted down, Chrismas is not a chronological mission on the clock at the stroke of midnight; it is something far more embedded in the DNA of the human psyche.
It is said that the 25th of December was chosen so as to correspond with the Roman festival of “Dies Natalis Solis Invicti” which means ”the birthday of the unconquered sun”. In the eighteenth century, Isaac Newton also proposed that the 25th of December could also have been chosen to correspond with the winter solstice which was also marked on December 25.
However, landing on one particular day to herald Christmas, it seems to me, is to miss the point of the seasonal nature of the event which I have coined as “The Estrus Season”; AKA, “The Family Way” that begins around mid November to Mid February, The Christmas Rush, climaxing (no pun intended) on Valentines Day when presumeably the world has partnered up with the love of choice or chance as it often seem to be. As the old saying goes, if you don’t find a partner during Christmas, something is wrong.
Now this is not a modern event nor is it a pagan event but a human event aptly described in the Old Testament scriptures in which Jeremiah called the Chrismas Tree, “the stock of vanity” and goes on to describe the nature of the Christmas tree event: season’s dress, gifts and the commercial aspect of Christmas which is exactly why it is commercialized, it was from the beginning, when men bought lavish gifts to present and impress their partner for potential parental love.(same sex union notwithstanding)
It is no small wonder to note that very few Christians are aware of this scriptural description in the Old Testament about Christmas, long before Jesus was born. You can read it for yourself; it may open the eyes of some for it was the largest of Festivals. The Christians hijacked Christmas, not a festival that crept into the Christian community, but hijacked into the church community to draw attention to itself. The young Christian Church jumped on the biggest bandwagon on earth and by association promote their favorite son and as we can see, all around the world today, it worked out very well!
Read it for yourself: scripture sums up Jeremiah’s take on it pretty well(in a negative light of course, Jeremiah being a dogmatic cleric of the day. Jeremiah tries to drag down the human element of the Festival of joy, music, dancing and merriment and no doubt the uncorking of the bubbly stuff celebrating the happiness, while at the same time trying to build up the God the true celebration men should be revelling in, much like the church does today. The festival ritual of love-making was in the culture long before Jeremiah’s time too: the human festival of procreation, of boys and girls, of men and women uniting, of family unions forged and not the least, of children, the inevitable consequence of the “mad” vanity festival of men, of which Jeremiah wrote. Jeremiah chptr 10:1-15.
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April 6, 2014 at 6:29 pm
The command concerning the Sabbath to God’s people comes from the Book of Exodus where it’s written: “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.” (EXODUS 20:8-11)
There’s a clear demonstration of YHWH putting this word into action when He instructs the people on how they should gather their sustenance, i.e., Manna/bread while in the wilderness. (EXODUS 16:22-31)
What YHWH commands us to remember is recorded in the Book of Genesis: “Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it; because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.” (GENESIS 2:1-3)
God’s telling us to keep in remembrance that as Creator He selected to set apart the seventh day and consecrated it to His own use. He wants us to observe its sanctity as He ordains; by not succumbing to distraction from toil but rather by coming to know Him and receiving His rest, provision and restoration. (MATTHEW 11:27-30)
It’s from this instruction from God, “in it [the seventh day; the sabbath of the LORD thy God] thou shalt not do any work”, that the Pharisees sought to ensnare Yahshua.
“And when he [Yahshua] was departed thence, he went into their synagogue: And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they [Pharisees] asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him (of violating the Torah). And he said unto them, ‘What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.’ Then said he to the man, ‘Stretch forth thy hand’. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other. Then the [Pharisees] went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.” (MATTHEW 12:9-14)
The Pharisees had constructed their own system of stifling machinations by adding cumbersome, manipulative, man-made rules & regulations to God’s instructions in direct violation of YHWH’s command not to do so (DEUTERONOMY 4:2). They used these “takanot” to entrap, enslave and exploit their fellow Jews in a never-ending morass of twisted, false pseudo-obligatory standards, precepts & premises. It proves Yahshua’s relentless indictment of these heresies and His consistent conviction to shepherd people back to the original Spirit of the Torah that frustrated the Jewish leadership to the point of scheming to produce His crucifixion. Messiah’s mission serves to unshackle the captives; overturn the prison of self-inflicted human misery and establish God’s Kingdom in righteousness as promised by God in the Davidic Covenant (2 SAMUEL 7:8-16). The Son of David fulfills the Prophet of Whom Moses wrote (DEUTERONOMY 18:15-19). This explains why God’s Messiah & our Redeemer proclaimed, “That in this place is one greater than the temple.” (MATTHEW 12:6) Wherefore the LORD YHWH, Creator of heaven and earth, blessed the Sabbath day, hallowed it; even is Lord of it.
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April 6, 2014 at 6:59 pm
Frank:
Your scripture references are old school and mean nothing anymore. Jesus clearly said that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. As far as the Sabbath goes, it is a pointless excerise in ritualism that has no meaning in the modern world.
Forget it. Man is master of the Sabbath and every day is made for man.
Keeping the Sabbath is a ritual whose time of demise came two thousand years ago from Jesus.
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April 7, 2014 at 8:22 pm
Leo,
As I’m sure you realize, it’s your choice to take your lead from myths, legends and comic books.
Or you might try some relevant Scriptural references:
“But I know thy abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, and thy rage against me. Because thy rage against me, and thy tumult, is come up into mine ears, therefore will I put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest.” (ISAIAH 37:28, 29)
“And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them, ‘Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.'” (LUKE 13:22-24)
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April 7, 2014 at 10:03 pm
Frank:
I am sorry Frank but simply quoting scriptures is as useless as tits on a bull, unless you can comment on the quotes and make known what you are trying to communicate; otherwise, your quotes are without meaning and useless!
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April 10, 2014 at 6:26 pm
son of man
Replying to your post #13. My statement about not being a Sabbath keeper was to clarify that I have no swords to sharpen. I keep Christ front and center as he is the grand fulfillment of the Sabbath, he is our Rest.
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April 10, 2014 at 6:35 pm
sonofman
To post #14. Love and sex are not seasonal, lust is 24/7. And the OT prophets and the people of God battled the pagan cultural of the fertility rites. Easter itself was to celebrate the “queen of heaven” and we look around and we can see that the same stuff is bringing down the church. As for Jeremiah, I do not have a Christmas tree nor do I celebrate Christmas in the fashion as you describe for the reasons Jeremiah describes. Dogmatic? Jeremiah? His prophecies came to pass, as sad as it is, he was the weeper prophet that couldn’t let it go even when God commanded him to not even pray for this people because he would not hear it. The moment we make the worship of Jesus Christ, the one true and living God, a side issue… it is the moment we are worshipping other gods.
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April 10, 2014 at 11:38 pm
css:
“….as he is the grand fulfillment of the Sabbath, he is our Rest.” That is a rather delusional way of looking at the Sabbath generally and Jesus in particular quite frankly: Jesus being the fulfillment of the Sabbath is so ridiculous, it’s hardly any wonder why some Christians just can’t be taken seriously.
“Love and sex are not seasonal, (because) lust is 24/7? You’re out of your mind. Clerical thinking that sexual activity is something to be battling against is more delusional thinking. Sexuality is the precondition of life, battling that is to try and destroy natural design.
Who really cares how you celebrate Christmas, I was talking about the billions around the world who do, I think there are very few Christians following your ideas. I simply explained what Christmas is all about, “pagan” is a derogatory a term to denigrate people who do not follow religious ways; paganism is merely diverse cultural aspects of humanity outside the supernatural delusions of religion; a pagan is just a normal human being that the religious self righteous tread on because his lifestyle makes a mockery of religion that worships their created Gods because “nothing” turns them on.
There has never been a prophecy that came to pass because it was a prophecy because prophets are a delusional group of people who today are called Psychics; they’re a dime a dozen in the phone book. Someone who comments on trends of society’s direction is not a prophet, just natural observations that everyone makes. Pundits make a living doing it in all the media outlets.
God commands nothing tht needs to be told to anybody with common sense but “wannabe-higher-than-thou-people” always faked messages about God saying this and God saying that but they were as delusional as you are trying to make themselves appear to have some inside information with the creator so to build up their self esteem. It’s laughable. They were as delusional as the wannabees that told Moses to perform a miracles for Pharaoh by doing magic tricks. Jesus would be embarrassed at your ideas about him.
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April 10, 2014 at 11:41 pm
css:
If you think that Jesus wanted to be worshipped you don’t know the first thing about Jesus.
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April 14, 2014 at 6:25 pm
Post 21…
And it is a delusional way because you said it… wow… Thanks! Your comments are filled with words with no value and arguments with no truth. To think I thought you could make sense?
Who are you to think I am thinking clerically? Who are you to say what I believe. Can you really understand the statements at hand. You were going on your grand tour of trying to explain paganism. Which no one ever asked for you explanation but you gave it anyway. Your aim was to water down the truth of the Word of God by melting things into a carnal pool of behavior. My statement still stands… sex is not seasonal for humans. Time and place is pretty much all humans need to be in the season for love.
You said who really care how I celebrate Christmas… lol… you care or you wouldn’t try and come at me from your high horse of Jeremiah’s prophecy.
So… question.. why are you even on this blog? This has been my favorite blog for years but you are a scab. Filled with the puss and infection that I’d rather not pick at. Please, do not engage me again and stay on the post. Better yet… engage the author of the post and leave the commentators alone. Thanks.
PS… I don’t think I’ve ever been this direct in any conversation before but this is ridiculous!
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April 14, 2014 at 6:26 pm
To post 22…
I guess we shall both find out when every knee bows and every tongue confesses Jesus Christ is Lord of All!
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April 14, 2014 at 10:36 pm
Jesus Christ may be Lord of all but you can’t quite get the supernatural out of your system if you can’t understand cultural ritualism without putting a religious spin on it. But your direct conversation certainly shows what’s on your inside where Jesus said therein lies the treasiure of your heart.
I give to everyone as they deserve; he also says that.
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April 14, 2014 at 11:03 pm
css:
If you haven’t found that out by now why every knee shall bend and every tongue confess; sorry, but it has already passed you by, methinks. That’s the biggest problem with religionists; they wait around for the Second Coming because they can’t take the mantle up themselves.
You are suffering from ritualistic, religious dementia. The churches have bamboozled the earth’s people for so long they can’t think for themselves anymore without feeling shame or guilt. Religion has to make you feel unworthy to be alive but that is a bunch of crocodilian nonsense.
You need to learn what the bible means when you read the words. Forget the god myth, that has been the creation of man’s imagination since before the invention of the wheel or the discovery of control of fire. Thousands of gods have been created in every generation and every generation did exactly what you are doing: regurgitating the hoax of religion that started its insidious creeping into the psyche using magic tricks.
It will never happen; the Second Coming is an illusion, does not come with observation and will never come. The Second Coming? It’s been Coming for thousands of years like the first Coming, for thousands of years. You must be the Coming you are waiting for. You need to be the change you dream. It’s all about you and the spirit within you.
Read the bible about Jesus; he hated the church, hated religion, hated the clergy and called them liars, hypocrites and poisonous snakes. So why are you taking a road that he himself avoided at all costs. He was his own person and never relied on the brainwashing tactics of religion, the church or clergy. He was independent, an atheist like myself, Jesus and I and the Father are one. In the day that you can say that, you will be free and only knowledge can set you free, belief never can.
By telling you these things I am simply interpreting the bible perfecty so you shouldn’t use my observations to excoriate me by sharing the dark recesses within.
Be still and let some peace whelm over you.
Love and the Spirit Good. Love is not a feeling but it can be emotional..Love is a spirit…………
It knows no boundaries, transcends all nations, speaks in every tongue; it’s the dream of every man, woman and child……
Charity and the love within suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itslef, is not puffed up, does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity but rejoices in truth, bears all things, endures all things.
The fruit of the spirit of good is love, joy, peace, longsuffering(patience), kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self control.
Against such there is no law.
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April 14, 2014 at 11:04 pm
From a social psychologist’s point of view: Having become blinded by enforcing the “letter of the law”, they remain yet blind to the “spirit of the law”; “discretion” is in recess.
Learned in old school training, discretion, was a big star for credibility and respect, unlike today, it is receding.
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April 17, 2014 at 6:21 pm
To post 25
All I can do is laugh… you can’t take bits and pieces of God’s word. You must take it all. Jesus said His word is forever settled in Heaven. And… it does not matter my understand or yours. You can deny Him all you want, the very arguments you use against Him will be turned on you at the last day.
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April 18, 2014 at 9:12 am
To post 28:
Bet you don’t know where heaven is either. hahahaha
You are so lolable.
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April 18, 2014 at 8:19 pm
Re: post # 18.
Leo,
As to your obnoxious insistence that I provide you comments and from your subsequent posts to this blog I’ll tell you that I usually do not spoon-feed biblical illiterates but in your case I’ll make an exception. Evidently, your egoistic predilections prevent you from reading Scripture with any acuity. The Word speaks for Itself. If you’re unable to grasp the following then as was commented earlier: you need to find yourself another playpen to roll around in and stop haranguing the adults in the room.
“He answered and said unto them, ‘Well hath Isaiah prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, THIS PEOPLE HONORETH ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. HOWBEIT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.’ And he said unto them, ‘Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER; and, WHOSO CURSETH FATHER OR MOTHER, LET HIM DIE THE DEATH: But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free. And ye suffer him no more to do aught for his father or his mother; Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.’ And when he had called all the people unto him, he said unto them, ‘Hearken unto me every one of you, and understand: There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.’ And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable. And he saith unto them, ‘Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?’ And he said, ‘That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.'” (MARK 7:6-23)
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April 19, 2014 at 7:38 am
Like I said quoting scriptures with your lips is what Jesus refered to from the scholars of which you think you are but unfortunately the words that proceedeth forth from your heart at the recless charges you hurl at me show the wicked heart within that defuleth a man….. Do you understand then?
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April 22, 2014 at 6:55 pm
To post 31… Nope I don’t understand what defuleth?
Also, the fool hath said in his heart that there is no God! Sir, you’ve defined yourself well enough… I think you probably should find another blog to harass. You lack of clarity and common decency is about reached its limit with me.
Jason and Chad. I think someone needs to address this. I mean I’m not the first one to stop coming to theosophical because of sonofman or leo… whatever he calls himself.
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April 23, 2014 at 12:20 pm
css:
It is true that you cannot understand what “defuleth”; but that’s because you have no imagination to understand an obvious typo “Do you understand what “defileth” mean; I think you don’t understand that either since all you have been doing as a “good” christian is complaining about what I write that simply tries to defend my position with biblical scriptures.
Atheists and those of a religious bent can live and socialise together quite happily – we’re lucky enough to live in a liberal and tolerant society. This does not mean we should pretend there are no ideological differences between us. Christianity and atheism cannot both be right. If the former is correct, atheists are doomed to hell; if the atheists are on the money, Christians are allowing an aeons-old lie to restrict their freedoms and choices in their one shot at life. The stakes are high.
Christians have a biblical duty to evangelise and spread the faith. This was once backed up with harsh punishment for heathens and apostates, but thankfully those days are over. (Except in Islamic countries) Spreading the good word remains a worthy way for the faithful to spend their time, though. If Christianity is allowed to convert the heathens, I think it only fair that the heathens are given a chance to fight their corner. Even the bible supports and endorses atheism read it for yourself:
Romans 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of Good, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Atheists, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) This scripture speaks to you about people like me.
This need not be a bad thing for the Church. Having seen, chatted to, and even socialised with several evangelists, I believe faith is stronger for being challenged. If believers don’t hear contradictory views, they have little reason to truly consider what they hold dear. A mature faith is all the better for this challenge:
Christian groups need to decide what they really care about. Does a religion’s worth come from “bums on seats” – the size of a congregation – or from the number of people who agree with them and vice versa. Join a monastery and you’ll be swamped with like minded people….or will you really?
Instead of campaigning against opinions which differ to your own, why worry about it? Debate your own cause and stick to it; I mean how many times did the religionists in Jesus’s day complain about him, try to beat him, capture him, throw him over cliffs, harrass him for going against the prevailing ideas of what is right and true? Persecuting me is the same as your ancestors persecuting Jesus all over again and you’re right at the head of the crowd shouting to Jason and Chad for respite: CRUCIFY HIM! Don’t you see parallels?
Jason’s blog is being reblogged by other bloggers because it shows differences and debates on both sides of the table and that my friend is more worthy of a righteous teacher than a lop sided “one size fits” all with which you want to associate your myopic perception; the same dogma Jesus railed many times against the religionists of the day. That’s why you sarcastically said you didn’t understand what my typo “defuleth” meant referring to what Jesus said about what comes out of a man’s heart by his words; that is what “defileth” a man.
So, why protest against me? Christianity has almost everything going its way – culture and art for the last two millennia have been subject to its influence. It is in the home, it permeates society, and it recruits young. You can try to keep the flock faithful by silencing critics – or, failing that, petitioning the faithful to boycott their works. Alternatively, you can hone your own arguments, rally your evangelists, and spread the good word: and let your rivals do the same.
I don’t mind you complaining about me, it does your argument no good but if you offer clarity with common decency instead of trying to crucify the one of whom it testifies; well, good luck with that one css.
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April 27, 2014 at 6:29 am
To Post 33.
The stakes are high but the stakes are much higher for you! I mean my one shot life would have been shot all full of holes if I had not had the guiding light of God’s Holy Word! Even with it I have made some huge mistakes, that is because of though I had His Word I didn’t always head His Word! So, the stakes for me is to live out a joyful life with my wife and children. To see my children love God, love neighbor and live in joy! So, the alternative for me if all of God’s were was a lie is pretty much nothing to be sad about. However, since it being true holds a eternal weight… my temperal existence being born again has a more precious and powerful future! If I turned my back on Him… I would live in hell now and forever! So, no the stakes are not high for me. Only for you.
And what version of the Scriptures are you using for Romans 2:13? This is precisely the reason I’m seriously considering leaving this blog. I debate atheists all the time and for the most part it is pleasant dialogue, and honest, but you have a bend for dishonest representation. You pollute the scripture with your own words.
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April 27, 2014 at 1:48 pm
css:
Why do you insist on acting the imbecile? Don’t you have a bible? Any bible? I quoted from the KIng James Version Rom 2:13-15. What part of “know” don’t you understand?
You debate atheists all the time? “……it is pleasant……” Yeah and you wanted to be a stand up comedian too before you found the supernatural and started listened to psychics in order to live a good life. What language does God speak? Trust me, God does not speak to men, men speak of God, about God, on behalf of God, as messengers of God and all words virtuous and otherwise comes from men, not gods. Zeus spoke to no man, Thor spoke to no man, nor did the thousands of created Gods throughout the ages, speak to any man. Gods do not speak; Men speak and make their several claims.
For example in the current canonization of the two Popes made Saints today.
“Pope John XXIII canonization involves a break with tradition.
Pope Francis waived the second miracle requirement.
His one miracle was the healing of an Italian nun.
In 1966, Sister Catherine Capitani was not expected to live after an operation to remove a tumor in her stomach.
But Capitani made a sudden recovery after other nuns placed an image of John XXIII on her stomach.
Her caretaker recalls how Capitani reacted.
Sister Adele Labianca/ Caretaker of Sister Catherine Capitani: “You have ripped this miracle out of my heart’ the pope said to Sister Catherine. After that Sister Catherine stood up and said ‘I’m healed, I’m healed’. Nobody could believe what they were seeing.”
The Vatican deemed it to be a miracle.”
Although Pope Francis spoke and the Vatican accepted that this was miracle enough for Sainthood did anyone suggest to Pope Francis that maybe the surgery that removed the tumour from her stomach was actually successful?
I mean come on css why does common sense get checked at the door of a church or at the cover of a book?
Threatening to leave the blog? You’ve only been commenting for a few months. Since December I can only find 12 comments so what’s with you saying you’ve been commenting for years? Me? I’ve been posting since Nov 2012 but you, under the handle css, only 4 months.
Most of your comments however to me, have been accusatory since the beginning and you actually remind me of Revelation’s scripture: KJV 12:10; here, I’ll quote it so you won’t have to bother trying to find a bible:
Revelation 12:10
“Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.”
And here’s another one that you can take to the bank:
Revelation 12:7-12
“War broke out in Heaven. Michael and his Angels fought the Dragon. The Dragon and his Angels fought back, but were no match for Michael. They were cleared out of Heaven, not a sign of them left. The great Dragon—ancient Serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, the one who led the whole earth astray—thrown out, and all his Angels thrown out with him, thrown down to earth.”
I fight this war with Michael so minds can be swept clean of the impurities of supernatural entities that don’t exist. You, along with the Dragon and his angels fight back every step of the way. But I’ll tell you why they were cleared out of heaven….they were cleared out because they never existed in the first place; they do not belong in the minds of sane men; they were supernatural creations put in the minds of good believing people like yourself by the ancients that Zecharah rightly alluded to in his comments when he called it “The Big Day”: “On the Big Day, the lying prophets will be publicly exposed and humiliated. Then they’ll wish they’d never swindled people with their ‘visions.’ No more masquerading in prophet clothes.” (Zech 13:4)
The supernatural creations don’t belong in heaven; that is, in the minds of men where heaven exists, so eventually, as Revelations tells you, they will be cast out of the minds of men, cleared of the supernatural insanity indoctrinations from the past; men will become “sane” again, cleared of the supernatural zombies of stoneage men.
There is great joy, comfort and security in that “Big Day”.
You can see it when you believe it, if you cannot wait to believe it until you see it. ltg famous quote.
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April 27, 2014 at 5:52 pm
No sir you did not quote from the KJV! Quoting something is verbatim. But you wouldn’t understand what quoting something actually is.
And you said.. “…trust me…” LOL…. awesome!! That gave me a great laugh! Thanks for the humor. Maybe I’ve misread you… you are a joke and I didn’t realize that you’ve been one big joke this whole time.
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April 27, 2014 at 8:52 pm
css:
You may have not noticed but I’m the only poster that actually talks to you? Your dialogue doesn’t seem to generate any interest at all.
BTW why don’t you quote the exact same scripture that I quoted from the King James so we can see exactly what “verbatim” words I misquoted? Can you do that? And we’ll analyze each quote, word for word, let’s really see what verbatim you are fussing about. I know you have a habit of accusing without backing anything up but here’s a chance for you to answer the challenge. Are you up to it?
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April 28, 2014 at 7:55 pm
To Post 37. Do me a favor and stop being interested in me or my arguments. That’s what I’ve asked. I didn’t speak to you, you spoke to me. Apparently something interested you enough for you to engage me! Whatever mistake I made to generate your twisted interest I wish I could undo… Besides my comment at the first were not even aimed at you.
Dear commenter, you supplied the scripture. Why don’t you quote it? To help you out, verbatim means, from dictionary.com “in exactly the same words; word for word: to repeat something verbatim.” You did not quote the KJV verbatim. While you struggle with the definition and trying to figure out how you can twist scripture further… why not just forget this blog is even here? Deal?
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April 28, 2014 at 10:26 pm
css:
Sorry but you can’t just walk away from your comments. So, let’s hear your verbatim quote compared to mine. If you can’t do that simple task it’s because you are wrong in your accusation. I sought only to correct and enlighten you and give you knowledge because it was obvious, you had none.
However I am not allowed to leave you to your own devises without warning you of the consequences of the danger you put yourself in by rejecting the words of Jesus and accepting the words of the scoundrels who claim to know the truth.
Ypou said: “I agree we should keep Jesus front and center. However, pagan practices have slipped into the church.”
Actually the tuth is that the Church has slipped into pagan practices and so that is not necessarily a bad thing…so I enlightened you but you got all up in arms because I described the history of paganism, and (as all correction is grievous to be borne) your resentment shone through like a rainbow.
You said nothing that was significance other than your ignorance and I accepted the challenge to correct your ignorance with some knowledge. And you are still reeling from getting slapped in the brain because your ego can’t accept simple chastisment.
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April 29, 2014 at 7:52 pm
LOL… you get more and more ludicrous as time goes! Sir, you’ve given the scripture reference and you’ve misquoted it. Google it for yourself. You expect me to take your word for things… so using your own twisted logic… take my word for it – Atheist is no where in that scripture. You said you used the KJV, which is a bold faced lie. Reference blue letter bible… nuff said. dictionary.com defined verbatim for you. You can do the rest on your own. I’m shocked you are asking someone like me to teach you something. You can copy and paste from the KJV from blue letter bible. All you have to do is highlight the text, right click, and then go to your home page, which is this blog, and paste it in this comment section. Not hard at all.
No, please leave me… lol. Please. Even if you think they are my devices. Leave me to them, you have nothing to gain if your world view is right… so please, leave me to “my devices”. 🙂 Thanks!
Chastisement from who? LOL This is my last post to you.
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April 29, 2014 at 8:24 pm
css:
OMG can’t you see how closed your understanding of the English language is? SYNONYMS FOR GENTILE:
A person of a non-Jewish nation or of non-Jewish faith; especially, a Christian as distinguished from a Jew, is a gentile:
Also “gentile” is referred to as:
agnostic, heathen, pagan, nonworshiper, atheist, heretic, unbeliever.
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Some synonyms describong a lack of language understanding: Limited: restricted, curbed, checked, controlled, restrained, delimited, rangebound, qualified, deprived, myopic,
(of a person) not great in ability or talents.
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April 29, 2014 at 9:48 pm
BTW css:
Here are 16 Bible translations you can take exception with, because they do not read verbatim as the KJV Romans 2:14 reads. “For when the Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, they, not having the law, are a law unto themselves,”
CEV 2:14 SOME PEOPLE naturally obey the Law’s commands, even though they don’t have the Law.
DARBY 2: 14 For when [THOSE OF THE] NATIONS, which have no law, practise by nature the things of the law, these, having no law, are a law to themselves;
ERV 2: 14 Those who ARE NOT JEWS don’t have the law. But when they naturally do what the law commands without even knowing the law, then they are their own law.
EXB 2: 14 (·Those who are NOT JEWS [GENTILES] do not have the law, but when they ·freely [by nature; instinctively] do what the law commands, they ·are the law for themselves [or reveal their awareness of God’s law].
GW 2: 14 For example, whenever NON-JEWS who don’t have the laws in Moses’ Teachings do by nature the things that those laws contain, they are a law to themselves even though they don’t have any of those laws.
TLB 2: 12-15 He will punish THE HEATHEN when they sin, even though they never had God’s written laws, for down in their hearts they know right from wrong. God’s laws are written within them; their own conscience accuses them, or sometimes excuses them.
MSG 2: 14-16 When OUTSIDERS who have never heard of God’s law follow it more or less by instinct, they confirm its truth by their obedience.
NOG 2: 14 For example, whenever NON-JEWS who don’t have the laws in Moses’ Teachings do by nature the things that those laws contain, they are a law to themselves even though they don’t have any of those laws.
NCV 2: 14 (Those who are NOT JEWS do not have the law, but when they freely do what the law commands, they are the law for themselves. This is true even though they do not have the law.
NIRV 2: 14 Those who AREN’T JEWS do not have the law. Sometimes they just naturally do what the law requires. They are a law for themselves.
NLF 2: 14 The people who ARE NOT JEWS do not have the Law. When they do what the Law tells them to do, even if they do not have the Law, it shows they know what they should do.
OJB 2: 14 For when GOYIM, who have not the Torah, do by nature what the Torah requires, they not having the Torah are the torah for themselves,
VOICE 2: 14-15 For instance, some OUTSIDERS who are not required to follow the law often live quite naturally by its teachings. Even though the law wasn’t given to them, in themselves they have the law. Here’s the thing: their lives demonstrate that God has inscribed the law’s teachings on their hearts. On judgment day, their consciences will testify for them, and their thoughts will both accuse and defend them.
New Testamen WE 2: 14 SOME PEOPLE do not have the law. But they do what the law says because their own hearts tell them to. They have a law of their own, even though they do not know the law.
WYC 2: 14 For when HEATHEN MEN that have not law, do naturally [do by kind] those things that be of the law, they not having such manner [of] law, be law to themselves,
YLT 2: 14 For, when NATIONS that have not a law, by nature may do the things of the law, these not having a law — to themselves are a law;
Substitute any synonym you like and the essence remains the same except for nigglers.
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