For the previous installments: part 1, 2.
Chapter 6
If common ancestry is true, we would expect the evolutionary tree of life (TOL) based on animal morphology to line up with the evolutionary TOL based on molecules, but they don’t. In fact, there is no one TOL based on morphology or one TOL based on molecules. There are multiple TOLs.
Interestingly, a comparison of different genes from the same organism can result in different TOLs for that organism. The same is true of morphology. For example, when the TOL is constructed based on germ-cell formation (which is basic to the evolutionary process because it underlies reproduction, and we would expect for all organisms in a branch of the TOL to have the same germ-cell formation) it leads to one TOL, but this TOL differs radically from TOLs constructed based on body-play symmetry, the number of primary tissues, or the mode of development.
Looking at the Cambrian pyla specifically, there is no one TOL showing what the ancestry looked like leading up to the Cambrian.
Convergent evolution is a word to describe how similar morphological features develop in different species, where that feature was not shared by their common ancestor. There are many examples of so-called convergent evolution. But convergent evolution undermines the presupposition underlying the theory of common descent: similar homology indicates similar ancestry. Convergent evolution demonstrates that homological similarities do not necessarily imply a common ancestry. Convergent evolution negates the logic of the argument for common descent from homology.
Chapter 7
While the gradualism that Darwin envisioned cannot explain the Cambrian explosion and lack of ancestral fossils in the Precambrian, can the theory of punctuated equilibrium fare any better? Punctuated equilibrium (PE) is the theory developed by Niles Eldridge and Stephen Jay Gould. As paleontologists, they were acutely aware of the lack of transitional forms in the fossil record. They recognized that new animal forms appear abruptly, persist relatively unchanged for millions of years, and often disappear from the fossil record just as abruptly as they appeared – only to be replaced by new animal forms. While they were willing to jettison the gradualism that Darwin proposed, they were still committed to the notion of evolutionary change and common descent. They postulated that evolutionary change occurs in short bursts over very short periods of time, so that the breaks and gaps we see in the fossil record are real – not the result of missing fossil evidence. The question they had to answer is how evolutionary change could happen so rapidly that transitional forms are not captured in the fossil record.
In order for mutations to change a population, they first have to become fixed within a population (rather than just appearing in a few isolated members of the population). In large populations this is very difficult to achieve, but in smaller populations mutations can become fixed more quickly and easily. Eldridge and Gould suggested that what drives rapid evolutionary change is the fragmenting of a population into smaller, geographically isolated groups, where mutations can become fixed more easily because they have to spread to fewer organisms (what they called “allopatric speciation”). Then, natural selection works to select those groups of the species that are better adapted for their new environment (“species selection”).[1] The struggle for survival will eliminate most of the groups, leaving only those who are more fit to survive. PE requires large populations to generate the number of mutations necessary for macroevolution, but also small enough populations to fix those mutations into the population (where they can provide a functional advantage to the species that nature can select).
While PE made better sense of the fossil record as we have it, it has problems of its own, and is no better at explaining the Cambrian explosion than Darwin’s gradualism.
- Both Darwin’s gradualism and Eldridge’s/Gould’s PE assume the truth of common descent. This means we should expect for the number of phyla to be small at the base of the tree of life and increase at the upper levels of the tree. Instead, we see the exact opposite. The base of the tree begins with a large diversity of phyla. Some disappear over time, and only a few have appeared since the Cambrian.
- PE works by species selection, but the Pre-Cambrian does not document a large and diverse number of species on which species selection could work its magic.
- Since PE relies on large populations to generate the number of mutations necessary for biological novelty, it undercuts itself as a viable explanation for why there are no transitional forms in the fossil record. Populations large enough to generate all those mutations should be preserved in the fossil record somewhere. They aren’t. Instead, it only preserved the organisms from the smaller populations in which the mutations became fixed. That’s counterintuitive.
- Allopatric speciation and species selection only explain the fixation of traits, not the generation of traits. Species selection only eliminates the unfit, it does not create new fitness. To generate new traits you need large populations, and the primary mechanism for generating those traits is natural selection acting on random genetic mutations. That means PE is subject to the same criticisms as neo-Darwinism.
While neo-Darwinism provides a mechanism for biological novelty, it operates too slowly to account for the diversity of life on Earth and the abrupt appearance of organisms in the fossil record. PE explains how diversification could be sped up and why we see the abrupt appearance of organisms in the fossil record, but it does not provide its own unique mechanism for generating biological novelty, and, while faster, it is still too slow to account for all of the biological change we witness in the fossil record.
Chapter 8
One way of measuring complexity is by looking at the number of cell types an organism has. Single-cell organisms only have one cell type. Humans have ~210. Precambrian sponges required ~10 cell types, while trilobites required 50 or more. Since new cell types require new proteins to build them, and new proteins require new information in the DNA, one has to question where this new information came from. How did it originate? How did single-celled organisms get the additional genetic information to create a second cell type? Where did the all the information come from to build the trilobite?
Darwinism does not seem capable of explaining the origin of the new genetic information required to build new and more complex organisms. Darwin’s own theory of how complexity arises was blended inheritance: The variation in two organisms will blend together during reproduction to form additional variation that blends the two. The problem with this theory is that as the number of combination events increases, the degree of differentiation between organisms within the population decreases. Blended inheritance limits or eliminates diversity rather than generating it. The less variation there is, the less natural selection has to work on.
While it’s easy to see why Darwin’s theory was wrong conceptually, Gregory Mendel’s pea experiments proved empirically that Darwin’s theory of blended inheritance was wrong. He showed that variation was preserved from generation to generation, even if that variation was not being expressed in organisms. Sexual reproduction, then, would not create new variations for natural selection to act on, but just different combinations of existing variation. It was not until the discovery of mutations in the early 20th century and gene theory in the mid-20th century that Darwin’s theory of evolution found the variation-generator it needed to produce the kind of biological novelties natural selection needed to work its design-mimicking magic.
But is natural selection working on random variations produced by genetic mutations sufficient to produce new biological information? Some will say it does, but that’s because they are using a very unhelpful definition of information called “shannon information,” named after MIT engineer Claude Shannon. Shannon pioneered information theory in the 1940s. He noted that information and uncertainty are inversely related, so that information increases as uncertainty is eliminated. The amount of information conveyed is inversely proportional to the probability of the sequence. The greater the probabilities, the more improbable it is that any one event or string of symbols is actualized, and thus that event or string of symbols, if it occurs, will convey more information. Furthermore, probabilities are multiplied as more symbols are added to the mix, so long sequences will always bear more information than shorter sequences. According to Shannon’s definition of information, “nenen ytawoi jll sn mekhdx nnx” has the same information capacity as “Four score and seven years ago” because both strings of symbols contain the same number of symbols, and are equally improbable.
While we do see shannon information in the cell, and while the Darwinian mechanism is able to create new shannon information, there is a deeper level of information exhibited in the cell that Darwinian mechanisms are not able to generate: functional information. Functional information doesn’t just specify an improbable sequence, but an improbable sequence that produces a specific, improbable effect. Shannon’s definition only measures the amount of information-carrying capacity contained in a particular sequence based on the improbability of the sequence, but it does not distinguish between improbable sequences whose arrangements are specified to perform a function from improbable sequences that are not specified to perform a function. There is a difference, then, between information and meaning. What distinguishes the latter from the former is the specificity of the arrangement to perform a function. Only functional information is capable of building new genes.
[1]They saw natural selection working on the species-level rather than the organism-level.
December 7, 2014 at 10:38 am
“For the previous installments: part 1, 2. Chapter 6 If common ancestry is true, we would expect the evolutionary tree of life (TOL) based on animal morphology to line up with the evolutionary TOL based on molecules, but they don’t.”
Let’s cut to the chase…..”Therefore we can definitively conclude, based on refuting Darwin’s Doubt, that Creationism is true……”
It seems to me that if Creationists can only based their belief on the refutation of other hypothesis whose authors readily admit they do not know all the answers, then what’s the point? This generation are like kids in the marketplace: Republicans and Fox News in The USA who accuse President Obama of doing nothing right but everything he does or attempts to do is wrong, so they stand against everything he stands for as a matter of principle; if it is an original Republican idea to begin with and if Obama accepts it the Republicans will about face and adamantly, if not ferociously, oppose it because Obama supports it.
This is the same as Sun News in Canada: If Justin Trudeau says it or does it or likes it, it Must NECESSARILY BE WRONG and they will not give one iota of credit to anything he says or does regardless, as a matter of principle.
Creationists, Sun News, Fox News, Republicans and Creationists are all cut from one common ancestral addictive cloth called the Drug of Absolute Certainty because they have the only Flying Carpet in town. But do they really:
RELIGIONS OF THE WORLD:
TAOISM: it Happens;
HARE KRISHNA: it Happens, Rama Rama Ding Dong;
HINDUISM: it Happened before;
ISLAM: If it Happens, blow it up;
ZEN: what is the sound of it Happening;
BUDDHISM: When it Happens, Is it really it?;
CONFUCIANISM: Confucias say, “it Happens”;
SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISTS: it Happens on Saturday;
PROTESTANISM: it won’t Happen if I work harder;
CATHOLICISM: If it Happens, I deserve it.
JEHOVAH’S WITNESS: Knock, Knock, it Happens”;
UNITARIAN: What is the it?
MORMON: it Happens again and again and again;
JUDAISM: Why does this it always Happen to me?
RASTAFARIANISM: Let’s smoke this it.
CHRISTIANITY: Holy it, It’s a miracle!
Christianity is composed of over 33,000 distinct denominations in 238 countries………
Islam is composed of: Ahmadiyya, Shi’a, Sufism, Sunni……….
Judaism is composed of: Pharisees, Sadduccees, and Essenes; Reform, Orthodox, and Conservative; Hasidism and Kabbalah……….
Buddhism is composed of: Theravada Buddhism, Mahayana, Nichiren, Pure Land, Tendai/T’ien Tai, Zen/Ch’an, Vajrayana and Tibetan………..
Etceteraism is composed of Etc. Etc. & Etc.
Atheism: “I’ll believe it when I see it”
Religion: “I’ll see it when I believe it”
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December 7, 2014 at 11:15 pm
I’m amazed at the “faith” supporters have in Darwin’s Theory with what we now know. I’m even more amazed why some of my fellow theists want to breathe life into this fairytale by attaching Intelligent Design to it.
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December 8, 2014 at 2:36 am
Paul, what is it that your fellow theists actually “know” about evolution? Just curious.
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December 8, 2014 at 3:34 am
Paul Vander Voort:
Is that really you writing? Intelligent Design has nothing of its own to hang its hat on so, any port in a storm will do is my guess. And Darwin was the best port in town to shake up the “Poof Poof” world of religious insanity, n’est ce pas? Refute, Refute, Refute, is the best you can toot.
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December 10, 2014 at 3:46 pm
I seem to be having trouble posting the usual way so I’m trying my other account. Apologizes if numerous duplicates appear.
Bob,
Many theists I know have drank the kool aid and accepted Darwin’s Theory as fact by slapping Intelligent Design on it.
Son of Man,
It’s still a theory because it hasn’t been scientifically proven yet. If there is proof I’ll check it out and reassess my belief. Do you believe in the unproven theory of evolution?
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December 10, 2014 at 8:14 pm
Paul:
Generally belief without knowledge or without some reasoned probability is not a strength of mine but what we do know is that there is evidence that life existed many millions of years ago through the fossil record. I find it incredible that dinosaurs existed and without the evidence of fossils I would not have believed such huge creatures roamed the planet.
We also have records of current life in deep caves; animals that have evolved without eyes because there is no light in the deep caves. We have photos and video recordings of these living creatures, salamanders, fish and spiders however they do have protrusions where eyes would be if they had eyes as their relatives above ground have.
This seems to support the theory of evolution with respect to genes having capabilites to adapt and change and it is reasonable to extrapolate that genes have remarkable abilities to change into a different species eventually.
Without their cousins above ground to show us those above ground have eyes we may not have simply assumed that these living creatures in deep caves were eyeless because of the lack of light and we may have assumed the eyeless critters were just different species without eyes.
The spawning of the coral reefs at precise times of the moon and tide, time and date is awesome. There are over 170 varieties (including species & subspecies) of cicada in North America, and over 3,500 varieties of cicadas around the world. Cicadas exist on every continent but Antarctica. The most well-known cicadas in the North America are the Magicicada periodical cicadas, which have amazingly long 17 or 13 year lifecycles. Brood IV (17 year life cycle) will emerge in IA, KS, MO, NE, OK, and TX. Brood XXIII cicadas (13 year life cycle) will emerge in AR, IL, IN, KY, LA, MO, MS, and TN, in 2015. Read more about where and when.
Most species of cicadas in North America are not periodical cicadas. Most are annual cicadas, such as Tibicen, Neocicada, Diceroprocta, and the proto-periodical Okanagana.
The cicada information on Cicada Mania is not limited to North America. We have cicada photos and information for Australia, Brazil, Costa Rica, Japan, Spain, Thailand and other locations, thanks to contributors around the world.
I would not argue against evolution when I see a larvae turn into a crysalis then a caterpillar and then out of a cocoon the caterpillar weaves around itself a new generation butterfly or moth breaks forth. Wiki notes “References to “metamorphosis” in mammals are imprecise and only colloquial, but historically idealist ideas of transformation, as in Goethe’s Metamorphosis of Plants, influenced the development of ideas of evolution.”
As I said before the Atheist says I’ll believe when I see it;
the religious says, I’ll see it when I believe it.
Regarding evolution the religious says though I see it the fossil record and life cycles I don’t believe it because I believe the Creator has created it and therefore I see it. Well maybe God’s name is Gene, maybe God’s name is Life, maybe God’s name is Cosmos. We see Gene, we see Life and we see Cosmos but God we do not see and God we do not know and neither does any other human on the planet.
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December 11, 2014 at 9:33 pm
Son of Man,
Speaking generally, my understanding of the theist position is: God always was and always will be and God created life. As you know this ranges from taking Genesis literally to evolution by Intelligent Design. As you and many have pointed out there are some big problems with this which I also see.
Speaking generally, my understanding of the atheist position is: the universe always was and always will be and life evolved as per Darwin’s Theory. My problem with this is Darwin’s Theory is taught not as a theory but as a Law, it can not be questioned. This reminds me of some fundamentalist discussing Genesis and as you know I don’t take Genesis literally. Personally I have no idea how life came into existence, I’m waiting for the science, I don’t get the impression many atheists are doing the same though.
Seems to me sight, flight, butterflies, etc… don’t compliment Darwin’s Theory they question it.
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December 12, 2014 at 6:11 am
Paul V:
Here are some points to note:
Atheists do not believe in a God or Gods. That is the simplest definition of an Atheist which is contrary to the Theist who believes, not only in a God but in a personal God that can and does intervene in human affairs on occasion. At this point it does not progress further than that as far as the defining of atheism goes.
The other point to note about the God(s) I talk about are the supernatural Gods that man invented to take the place of everything Man did not know and that was quite a bit so there were thousands of Gods invented for everything Man surveyed. These Gods are mere mind memes of Men; they have no life of their own, they are caricature concepts. The closest we can come to understanding a true God is that spirit of discernment and discretionary insight of right and wrong, good and bad of which Jesus spoke of as the Father residing in all who are endowed with a brain and a memory; that Father is our guide in life; it is personal and it is there totally for us and all there is of good within that realm is available to the man who is available to all there is of that Good within.
Beyond the simple definition, this Atheist does not claim to know how life originated or even IF life originated. And from that standpoint there must come various tangents of postulations depending on experiences, culture and societal influences generally of the individual postulator.
Personally I accept that life always existed mainly because when I was born (as I have been told, I don’t remember the event actually) but when I was born I gained awareness of a cosmos already teaming with life, so life for me has always existed in an environment ready and able to support the life I suddenly acquired through no particular input from me as far as I know. So my Theory of a Static Universe is my own personal idea that if something lives in perpetuity that “Being” must be the cosmos into which I came to be and that my life must be connected inextricably and be, in and of itself, an integral part of that Cosmos. And of that position I am as assured as any human can be sure of anything that I have a birthright in the Essence of that “Being”. And while I am thankful for the Sanctity of that Life, I cannot claim it as a personal acquisition; that would be a vanity to be deluded by.
Frankly I never read any books about Darwin’s evolution and did not know that Darwin theorized about the origin of life. The only evolution I became aware of regarding Charles Darwin was through National Geographic’s documentary on the animal species in the Galapogos Islands where Darwin formulated not The Theory of Evolution for the origin of life but the mechanism that drove the changes in species over time.
Even today I still do not view Darwins Theory of Evolution to mean the Origin of Life but the Origin of Species and there’s a big difference. Remember here that Darwin published his first book “On The Origin of the Species”; it was not titled the Origin of Life.
When Charles Darwin was first coming up with the beginnings of the Theory of Evolution, he had to look for a mechanism that drove evolution. Many other scientists had already described the change in species over time, but they did not offer an explanation as to how that occurred. Darwin and Alfred Russel Wallace independently came up with the idea of natural selection to fill that void in why species changed over time.
Natural selection is the idea that species that acquire adaptations that are favorable for their environment will pass down those adaptations to their offspring. Eventually, only individuals with those favorable adaptations will survive and that is how the species changes over time, or evolves through speciation.
A majority of the general public may be able to describe natural selection as “survival of the fittest”. When pressed for a further explanation of that term, however, the majority will answer incorrectly. To a person not familiar with what natural selection really is, “fittest” means the best physical specimen of the species and only those in the best shape and best health will survive in nature.
This is not always the case. The individuals that survive are not always the strongest, fastest, or smartest. Therefore, “survival of the fittest” may not be the best way to describe what natural selection really is as it applies to evolution. Darwin did not mean it in these terms when he used it in his book. Darwin meant “fittest” to mean the one best suited for the immediate environment. This is the basis of the idea of natural selection.
So evolution from where I sit is the changing of species over time as the Nat Geo documentary noted above described. The beaks of finches for example changed to adapt to the food sources available; some food sources required small crush-like beaks for cracking the seeds while same species finches on different islands had longer beaks able to penetrate small openings to retrieve their food sources that were available in a different format but one had to have skinny beaks to get it. This seemed reasonable to my understanding and as far as Evolution goes that’s the stand from where I sit.
Now in a nutshell Paul, here is Darwins’ Theory of Evolution that has gotten so much misinformation by creationists that has twisted Darwin’s research on the origin of the species into the Origin of Life itself and that is simply not the Theory of Evolution:
And I quote:
Darwinism is a theory of biological evolution developed by Charles Darwin and others, stating that all species of organisms arise and develop through the natural selection of small, inherited variations that increase the individual’s ability to compete, survive, and reproduce. Also called Darwinian theory, it originally included the broad concepts of transmutation of species or of evolution which gained general scientific acceptance when Charles Robert Darwin published “On the Origin of Species”, including concepts which predated Darwin’s theories, but subsequently referred to specific concepts of natural selection, the Weismann barrier or in genetics the central dogma of molecular biology.
Though it usually refers strictly to biological evolution, the term has been used by creationists to refer to the origin of life, and has even been applied to concepts of cosmic evolution, both of which have no connection to Darwin’s work. It is therefore considered the belief and acceptance of Darwin’s, and his predecessors, work in place of other theories including divine design and extraterrestrial origins.
But the purpose of Darwin’s Book was never to supplant Theism; nevertheless, it became the purpose of Believers to twist the concepts in Darwins book using disinformation to say the work was an infringment on the Creation Belief but that twisted disinformation is actually from the imagination of believers who twist everything that does not conform to the dogma folly of the supernatural which they love to espouse because “nothing” turns them on.
When Christians talk about Evolution they are not talking about Darwin’s work at all; oh they say they are, but what Christians are really talking about is their own imagination that wants to discredit Darwin for something that Christians invented, the origin of life by God The Creator. Nothing to do with Darwin.
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December 12, 2014 at 5:03 pm
Son of Man,
If Darwin had an electron microscope and knew about DNA would we be discussing this?
Are you sure you are talking generally about what Atheists believe or your beliefs?
I have never meet an Atheist to hold similar beliefs.
If Darwin’s Theory is only explaining why there are variations within species I have no problem with that and neither would any Theist I know (eg. all the different types of dogs). Are you saying radicals have perverted Darwin’s Theory to give an Atheist take on creation? Or Theists have perverted his theory in an attempt to muddy the waters to get the faithful back to the creation story?
Whoever came up with the idea, when discussing evolution I’m talking about “from goo to you via the zoo”. As far as I know Atheists are locked into this theory and treat it as a “religious revelation” ridiculing anyone who questions it (kinda like Theists have done in the past till all the science was completed). Theists that take Genesis literally have there own problems but that has nothing to do with evolution. The Theist that buys into evolution believes everything except it wasn’t random it was guided by Intelligent Design. Whether they really believe this or just agree to not rock the boat I have no idea.
All I ask is teach the pros and cons of any theory and let it rise or fall on the scientific evidence, that is not what we are doing, Atheists are teaching it as fact. What would you say if these quotes were from a Theists: “nothing is something”, “fossils of the missing links are there we just haven’t found them yet”, “evolution takes place over long periods of time that is why we can’t observe it”, we now believe — “evolution happens in short significant bursts that is why we can’t observe it”, “we’ve found the missing link” then they pull out a few small bone fragments of some extinct primate.
Evolution isn’t science it’s religion. Atheists should be with me saying where is your proof, but because it supports their main belief (ie. no God required) they accept it without question.
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December 12, 2014 at 8:11 pm
Paul:
1. I am saying that all Atheists have one common theme, “They do not believe in a God”. Everything outside of that simple theme as espoused by me is mine alone and I do not suggest that all or any atheists hold my view point other than Jesus; my viewpoint and Jesus’ viewpoint are the same with respect to Atheism, Religion, Clergy, Supernaturalism and the Father residing within each and everyone of us.
2. Are you saying radicals have perverted Darwin’s Theory to give an Atheist take on creation? NO, I AM SAYING RADICALS HAVE PERVERTED DARWIN’S THEORY TO IMPLY A DISTORTED TAKE ON CREATION BY DARWIN WHICH DARWIN MADE NO MENTION OF WHATSOEVER AND IS BUT A RELIGIOUS FABRICATED FALSEHOOD OF DARWINIAN THEORY
Or Theists have perverted his theory in an attempt to muddy the waters to get the faithful back to the creation story? THEISTS HAVE PERVERTED DARWIN’S THEORY TO USE AS A SCAPEGOAT BECAUSE THE THEORY IS INCOMPLETE, THEREFORE THEISTS TAKE COMFORT FROM THE INCOMPLETE CONCLUSIONS IN ORDER TO FOCUS ATTENTION ON RELIGION’S THEORY OF ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY WHICH IS IN NO WAY PROVABLE OR UNPROVABLE BECAUSE ONLY IMAGINATION PREDICTS THE OUTCOME OF A BELIEF SYSTEM THAT NEEDS NO SCIENCE, NO OBSERVATION, NO RESEARCH, PEER REVIEW OR ANY EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT BELIEVE. ALL IT NEEDS IS “BELIEF” OR “FAITH” AND THAT BELIEF OR FAITH SUFFICIENTLY PROVES THE EVIDENCE FOR THE TRUTH OF THE THEORY OF CREATION, THE SUPERNATURAL. MIRACLES, RAISING THE DEAD AND THE EXTERNAL KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. THEY SEE IT BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT.
Evolution IS science based on the Science model of research, observation and conclusions but as far as Evolution proposing the origin of life I don’t see how Atheists can accept that without question but I CAN understand how they may accept that in the absence of anything to the contrary. Perhaps they are being dogmatically expressive of anything that would contradict the audacity to religion thinking that if religion can make ludicrous statements of Absolute Certainty, Atheists may as well use the same tactic since they would presumably have equal footing as being neither provable nor unprovable although I believe evolutionists have fossil records to support their story. Personally I could never take the religious skeleton model of belief, put new clothes on it and parade it as an Absolute Certainty Mannequin simply to counter religious audacity that uses unprovable hypothesis to tout dogma without being questioned or doubted.
How can evolution be a belief system like religion when you can go to the Galapogos and observe the unusal changes in the animals from Island to Island?
Regrading the teaching of Evolution:
What are the pros and cons of some of the finches of the Galapogos having long slender beaks and others of the same species having short thick beaks based on the different food sources both need in their respective environments.? Any pros and cons about this observable fact?
“…….teach the pros and cons of any theory and let it rise or fall on the scientific evidence…..” ? does this apply to the Theory of Creationism? And if so what scientific evidence is there for The Theory of creationism?
Is there any? Can you show me, tell me, document it, reveal a source for it?
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December 13, 2014 at 4:19 pm
Son of Man,
I really enjoy your posts.
You know what people mean when they discuss evolution and if you didn’t I stated my definition (which I believe the vast majority would agree with) in a previous post. Yet you pretend you don’t and bring up birds with different sized beaks, what’s up with that?
There is no scientific evidence for the “Theory of Creation” and there is no scientific evidence for the “Theory of Evolution”. Actually, the complexity of life and DNA are problematic for evolutionists. Atheists believe in this fairytale (ie, evolution) because that is all they have to hang their hat on. This is why I believe Atheists cling to this theory the same way many Theists cling to theirs (ie. taking Genesis literally).
Do you believe in the “Theory of Evolution” (as I and the vast majority would define it)? If you do, are you sure you don’t believe in the super-natural (ie. out of the realm of the natural)?
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December 13, 2014 at 6:38 pm
Paul:
If the supernatural existed it would exist purely in and part of, the natural. You are trying to add to the definitin of Atheism and you can’t so that. Atheism does not believe in God or Gods and that’s it; Atheism has nothing to do with Evolution and does not hang its hat on its doorstep; plain and simple atheism does not believe in God and that’s all there is to it. Atheism existed before Dawrin, it existed when Jesus came out of the Atheism closet and testified: 7 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee; for He did not want to walk in Judea, because the Jews sought to kill Him. 7 “The (religious) world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil.”
Darwin’s evolution has no more to do with Atheism than Atheism has to do with Evolution; they are mutally exclusive. It is only Christianity that tries to make the association for their own agenda.
Jesus was an Atheist but he never mentioned one single thing about Evolution because Atheism has nothing to do with Evolution.
Paul I know that you are not that obtuse but I give you brownie points for trying to make something out of nothing; it is, after all the religius way.
One more time, Evolution is about the changes that species undergo over a period of time that reflect the adaptibility to the environment that species inevitably need to make for survival and “the Galapagos finch beaks point out the simple observable phenomenon of that adaptibility.
There’s nothing complicated about that and there’s nothing atheistic about it either unless you’re a believer; well, that’s a whole other ball of wax….
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December 14, 2014 at 4:39 pm
This is just a test to see if my posts are getting through (having problems)
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December 14, 2014 at 5:05 pm
Son of Man,
You are a bright man and I give you an A+ for doing what many Atheists do when discussing “evolution” (ie. talking about everything else but the main topic and not admitting to the fairytale that is “evolution”).
“Evolution is about ……. observable phenomenon of that adaptability.” I do not know a single person (including “New Earthers”) that would disagree with that statement.
One more time, “from goo to you via the zoo”. Yes, no, maybe so? If yes, we can discuss why you believe this scientifically unproven theory. If no, we can discuss the broader implications of rejecting this theory. If maybe so, we can discuss the pros and cons of this theory.
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December 14, 2014 at 6:31 pm
Paul:
“Evolution is about ……. observable phenomenon of that adaptability.”
The beaks of finches is an observable phenomenon of the adaptability though not observable as it happens in the same way that stars blow up not as it happens but as it “happened” and the observable phenomenon; i.e., the light of the explosion traveling great distances reaches us many years after the event.
Example 1.
The closest and last supernova,
observed from Earth was visible
with the naked eye in October 1604; though not in real time.
It exploded a mere 20,000 light-years
away, in our own Galaxy which is approximately 100,000 light years in diameter or just slightly smaller than
the ego of the religiously insane.
Example 2.
Darwin’s revolutionary idea of natural selection explained why the appearance of species changed over time.
Peppered moths originally evolved with pale wings and black speckles to blend into their surroundings and avoid predators.
As with all plants and animals, occasionally a different-coloured one hatched, but black peppered moths rarely survived for long because they were caught so easily.
By the mid-19th century, soot from the mills and furnaces of the Industrial Revolution coated trees and buildings.
Gradually, more of the darker moths survived long enough to breed as they were now better disguised, and their paler cousins fell victim to predators.
The gene for dark colouring became more widespread with each new generation of moths, and eventually it dominated.
The trend has been seen in other species around the world, and is termed industrial melanism.
But now the conditions which favoured the darker moths are a thing of the past, the balance appears to have tipped back again.
Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1194281/Darwins-evolution-moth-changes-black-white-thanks-soot-free-skies.html
Metamorposis:
Evolution speeded up to observation in real time; well, if not in real time by watching, at least close to real time with slow motion camera recording watching plant life growth millimetering up out of the soil. Nevertheless metamorphosis is an example of evolution in a short period of time rather that the generally accepted view of change over hundred or thousands of years, although I think gradual changes are only reflective of the gradual enviro changes such that if the enviro changes necessitated a faster adaptability I am confident the genes would react accordingly.
Gee Paul I wish I had all the answers for you but I need more time….more time to evolve, more time to learn, more time to develop lol.
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December 15, 2014 at 5:13 pm
So much for “seeing is believing”… http://www.reasons.org/articles/evolution-seeing-isnt-believing
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December 15, 2014 at 5:15 pm
Son of Man,
I didn’t see an answer to my question. I’m not surprised but a bit disappointed. I was hoping you used the same critical thinking on this subject you have on others.
I’m sure you are sufficiently evolved to answer these two questions: #1. What would you call the theory that proposes human beings are the product of single celled life forms that have under gone changes over 100’s of million years? #2. Do you see any problems with this theory (name of theory to be determined by you for this discussion).
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December 16, 2014 at 5:31 pm
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December 17, 2014 at 11:35 am
Paul V:
I am working on the answer to your questions and there is no cut and dry answers. However I am preparing a rather, “oh oh, I can hear the groans already coming from the usual corners”, not so short an answer because the complicated mind’s imagination when meditating the Cosmos. Please be patient and I will post my dissertation soon.
Thanks and best regards; and, in advance, have a Miraculous Christmas and a Happening New Year!
The Son………
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December 17, 2014 at 6:50 pm
Son of Man,
Post at your convenience, I’m looking forward to your thoughts.
FYI; I’m not a typical Theist, I do not take Genesis literally or disagree with any of the scientific facts you or others have presented to me during numerous discussions on this topic over the years (ie. age of the Earth, time since moon created, life on asteroids, fossil or geological evidence, survival of the fittest, natural selection, variation with in species, don’t even have a problem with those suggesting birds and reptiles have a common ancestor, etc…).
I’m disagreeing with how some (both Atheist and Theist) have extrapolated these facts into a “theory” and then keep stating it as a “law”. My impression is we are just starting to find answers to how we actually came to be and still missing pieces to the puzzle.
I see problems with both of the two main theories. I call them “Creation” and “Evolution” (“Evolution”, I describe as either Atheist or Theist depending on ones POV). “Creation”; I define as God willing complex life forms (ie. fish, birds, reptiles, insects, mammals, etc…) into existence out of thin air. “Evolution” is what I call the “theory” in my question #1.
Some problems I have with “Evolution” are sight, flight, butterflies, mathematical probability, lack of missing links in fossil record, change from slow and minor changes over long periods to quick and major changes in short periods, like begets like (ie. DNA).
Theists (not me) have proposed Intelligent Design as a answer to some of these questions, but this can not be scientifically proven. Atheists can not scientifically explain how life began but I assume most rationalize as; what else could’ve happened?
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year,
Paul
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December 17, 2014 at 11:46 pm
Paul V:
In the meantime,
Briefly about sight; eyes(sight) are a response to sunlight. Blind creatures dwell in complete darkness and have no need for eyes so the brain does not require visual signals to “see”. If these critters were to become exposed to light the environmental change would eventually elicit a response….dah dahhhhhhh…………. eyes! The brain interprets enviro light feedback from sunlight and the genes turn on to adapt to the stimuli. The brain tells the genes that the brain must know the source of the stimuli and so together they work out the source, measuring the wave lengths, assessing the shadows and 50 shades of gray as well as a multitude of spectral shades and well over a period of times the brain knows the source and the source is absorbed and form part of the parameters that life adapts to. How long does this take? Beats me but I accept it as reasonable to my own brain and although perplexing it seems perfectly logical to me that “life forces” interaction with all that is available to it, sensually, cognitively, “knowing” is that part of the brain that makes up what we call consciousness and people have great philosophical interaction debating the definition of consciousness.
To KNOW is to have consciousness, knowing is the essence of “being” conscious; not knowing is not “being” conscious or alternatively to be “unconscious”.
http://webecoist.momtastic.com/2010/08/24/outtasight-the-10-most-amazing-eyeless-animals/
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December 18, 2014 at 12:17 am
A SPEC OF IMAGINATION:
The brain must know, it demands to know, it is the biological function of the brain to know and it dictates those demands to the stem cells, the stem cells being the custodian of the created cells, teaching them to be the kind of cells they were created to be and if they misbehave and get out of line, other cells come along and eat them up for recycling but sometimes the misbehavior is too overwhelming and other cells begin misbehaving as well and then its to the hospital for surgery or radiation or other treatment to control or eliminate the misbehaving cells; parasites are insidious agents for the malfunctioning of cells that interfere with the brain signals to the stem cells which in turn are thwarted by the interference by the parasitic tactics pathogenic parasites have acquired in order to take over the body, mind, emotion and will for the sole purpose of destruction because the devil is an evil pathogen, a virus, a mind meme to beware of. Now you know exactly what I’m talking about.
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December 18, 2014 at 7:11 pm
Paul V:
You may a lot more questions than answers after you read this but here goes; get comfortable……
1. “What would you call the theory that proposes human beings are the product of single celled life forms that have under gone changes over 100’s of million years?”
I call that “THE AMOEBA THEORY”
2. Do you see any problems with this theory?
NO.
If I saw problems with this theory it would be because I had an alternate theory. Therefore I cannot sink the boat until I have a new boat to float.
I like chatting with you because you are flexible, not dogmatic, reasonable, not given to the Drug of Absolute Certainty and that gives me a great respect for you points of view. Having said that however, if I agreed with your notion of Theism we’d both be wrong.
Genesis says Creation Poofed on the first day and Poofed on the second day and kept Poofing for 6 days. and finally the Poofing stopped and the Poofer rested on the seventh day…In other words, the Poof effect is Evolution speeded up in 6 days called Creation and Creation is the Poof effect in 4.54 thousand millennia, called Evolution. Brilliant.
A FEW THINGS THAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED.
THE AMOEBA THEORY:
Did not mankind come from the Amoeba as all animal life did? Including mammals and reptiles but what about flora life; that is, plant life and what about fungi, bacteria and viruses. Perhaps man is the ultimate being that has seen and being privy to every creature on earth, once a butterfly and a bee, a dinosaur and a day fly, man was even a woman at some point and vice versa, a he wolf and a she wolf and so was every man a creature of every life dimension imaginable to arrive at this present state of existence. And every encounter every aspect of life in every form leaves us with a genetic memory, and ancestral memory which not often but sometimes comes out and surprises everybody with memory like a built in software program. That’s why we know so much; we’ve been there, done that. We were the lonely bacteria and the vicious virus, some of us in mankind are still vicious viruses and treat our fellow man like entities to devour and kill to satiate the viral ego of anomalies, still rampant in humanity.
Evolving from monkeys or amoeba or viruses, what’s so strange about that? If we’ve all been there and done that and now at the pinnacle of evolving lifeforms, we still don’t know the differences and similarities between sanity and insanity, religious belief systems and knowledge, egotistic pride and humility, sanctity of life and gloating nigglers who are prepared to die for a cause rather than live for a cause. Some don’t know what the heck they’re talking about when it comes to the supernatural that religion invented, clergy perpetuates by magic, miracle and myth and that Hollywood perfects in order to take life forms(humans) for a ride to extract as much money as possible from just as religion does using the
un-provable supernatural model so the hoaxes can never be “found out”.
I do not know what to believe but what I do know, is what I do not believe in; and that is, the Supernatural and the Paranormal. And one other Christclear revelation of note is that if the supernatural did exist it would not exist as the supernatural but as the natural for its very existence would necessarily be “natural” and I believe would be self evident in the understanding of possibility at the very least; however, my genetic memory does not and can not accept the possibility of the supernatural as a matter of “normal” brain function but some other things that my brain can fathom, while seemingly weird to some people, may have possibly occurred and I do not rule out other possibilities possibilities. Suffice it to say that I rely on my own intuition and brain discernment rather than the last generation or the last ten thousand century generations for my spiritual sustenance.
We may very well be grouped together as “Martian Earthling Neanderthals” (M.E.N.) and some of the following writings may be characterized as speaking in tongues from genetic memory; aka, ancestral memory.
I really don’t know about the deep Cosmos and while the Universe’s GEM operatives of Gravity, Electricity and Magnetism, elude my understanding, I know that I, you, we and them have to operate within its parameters. Even though Steven Hawkings says that Black Holes exist he also insists that black holes fade away eventually and simply disappear. Well I don’t know how Steven Hawkings knows that but perhaps he speaks from a genetic ancestral memory too.
AS THE THEORY GOES:
I believe the Big Bang Theory is false and that life had no beginning but always existed; one may extrapolate therefore that humankind goes through many, if not all, life cycles to arrive at the human level with genes being turned on and off as the environment dictates. With respect to that I believe one could argue that we were the amoeba of old, the worm and the fish, the beaver, the reptile and indeed the dinosaur, the rabbit and the butterfly but I wouldn’t argue that we were mosquitoes, bacteria and viruses though I wouldn’t rule that out either. This may touch on the “Reincarnation” Theory and explain genetic memory awakening occasionally.
Someone once said about Mozart himself that he really didn’t ‘compose’ anything; he simply wrote down that which was already inscribed on his soul.
Which brings to mind Jay. He is not a savant but rather he was a prolific musical prodigy at age 3, and now is a musical genius in his teens. On a 60 Minutes program in 2006 the parents describe Jay beginning to draw little cellos on paper at age 2. Neither parent is musically inclined, and there never were any musical instruments, including a cello, in the home. At age 3 Jay asked if he could have a cello of his own. The parents took him to a music store and to their astonishment, Jay picked up a miniature cello and began to play it! He had never seen a real cello before that day. After that experience he began to draw his miniature cellos placed on musical lines. By age 5 he had composed five symphonies. By age 15 he had written nine symphonies. His fifth symphony, which was 190 pages and 1328 bars in length, was professionally recorded by the London Symphony Orchestra for Sony records.
Jay says that the music just streams into his head at lightning speed, sometimes several symphonies running simultaneously at the same time. “My unconscious directs my conscious mind at a mile a minute,” he told the correspondent on that 60 Minutes program.
Where does Jay’s musical genius come from? How did he know about cellos, and how to play them at age 3 when never exposed to one before? How did he instinctively, at that age also “know” the rules of music when he had never studied or learned them?
I say he was able to do so because of genetic memory.
Jay is a genius and not a savant. But prodigious savants particularly (who by definition would be geniuses absent a disability) show similar access to the “rules”, or syntax or templates, of music, art, mathematics and calendar calculating, for example. They come with what I call ‘software, factory installed’. These savants have innate access to complex knowledge they clearly have never learned. They remember, genetically, things they have never learned. Some savants are able to compute prime numbers but cannot add or subtract the simplest of numbers and certainly cannot describe “how they do it”. So many savants, almost all of them in fact, instinctively know how to do calendar calculations, some without any significant prior access to calendars.
PREFACE TO ANOTHER THEORY:
A mix of fact and fiction to inspire and spark the light of imagination.
Yes set up the windmills BUT at the same time, WE MUST call a moratorium on tree cutting; ACROSS THE PLANET; especially, a moratorium on clear cutting the rain forest BUT CLEARLY, ACROSS the planet, from one end to the other, stop cutting the life force of the planet.
Trees that not only absorb carbon dioxide but trees that absorb water(carbon dioxide and water vapor form about 80% of greenhouse gases! and give off oxygen the bi-product, humans and all living breathing creatures need,. to survive. Where’s the complication in understanding this simple logic? Oh, the so-called fossil fuels may be adding to the problem but fossil fuels are a small percentage of the problem. Tree cutting is the major number one force contributing to climate change, more than all the fossil fuels around the earth, lumped together and burned until our mobility sense is satisfied, tree cutting and clear cutting is devastating our Civilization; well, maybe “not so civilized” civilization as we let this happen without restraint. What the heck is wrong with world governments? Where are its priorities?
Look to, ego, greed, wealth, dominance, control, pleasure, sex, and power and there mankind reigns with or without their created gods.
If we look at history in relation to the rise and fall of civilizations we can see that when civilizations cut down all the trees in their domain, cut all Forest down around their ears, they didn’t understand (how could they) the massive effect it was having. We can back-track and compare and see how the civilizations rose and fell according to the tree cutting they allowed in their domain. As the land became barren of trees the climate changed and forced the civilization to other lands and on and on this went until this present day.
NOW IS THE TIME not only to set the wind mills AND ALTERNATE ENERGY SUPPLIES in motion but this is the time to unwind the past and de-wind the Global Climate DOOMSDAY CLOCK to halt the human advance of greed in the developed world, let the third world catch up; then, we all advance together to the common good of Mankind. That’s not Western mankind, Muslim mankind or any other National or Religious or Cultural Mankind but Mankind as a Humanity. Ethnicity breeds contempt for outsiders but if that’s the way it has to be then let the outsiders be viruses and bacteria and germs that cause disease and death; let those be the outsiders of mankind and let mankind tackle the problem on behalf of ALL inhabitants of the planet we call earth; in the North, in the East, in the West and in the South. Everything and Everybody, Everywhere on Earth. What’s so complicated about that?
Forget the divisive forces: Forget the Gods. Forget Religion. Forget Nationalism. Forget the Prophets. Forget the past.
THE OTHER THEORY:
Look at Mars and see what Global Climate change, unchecked, does to a planet. Mars was a sister planet to earth with oceans and civilizations and what happened when the greed got out of hand and no one wanted to give in and stop their tree cutting. And now Mars is a barren waste land devoid of human life. We may very well be part Martians who survived the Climate change on Mars long enough to board the spacecrafts and journey to earth like Superman who left the debris of a Krypton is crisis and landed on earth. Before Mars where were we in the Universe and after earth where will we be in the universe? Good questions and someday they will demand answers as sure as this shall come to pass, if we let it. As before, so shall it happen again, until we adapt. I say better sooner than later.
1. Stop Tree Cutting
2. Build windmills
3. Harness Sun Power
4. Unite the world
5. Save the planet,
6. And the life thereof.
We, on earth, ARE the future. When Mars lost it water, atmosphere and gravity due to Martian Global Climate Change during a reverse polarity sequence, millions of years ago, it was too late; there was no remedy for the denial that had built up for centuries by the greed of exploiters for commercialism, much like the Earth is facing again today by wealthy deniers. There was only one answer for survival……Migration to sister planet earth!
Although the many billions of inhabitants died some made it to earth and colonization by “Aliens” began. This is why anecdotal stories passed onto posterity describe weird contraptions from above, the gods and the huge monuments appreciated only from the sky. Martian SOS signs such as the Biomorphs and Geoglyphs all etched on a giant scale that can only be appreciated from the sky. It could be an ancient message to the heavens from whence the Martians came letting them know, letting anyone know…… yes, WE ARE HERE!
All remnants of the ancient Martian civilization obviously broke down and eroded into dust components and petrification.
In the Peruvian Desert, about 200 miles south of Lima, there lies a plain between the Inca and Nazca (sometimes also spelled Nasca) Valleys. Across this plain, in an area measuring 37 miles long and 1-mile wide, is an assortment of perfectly-straight lines, many running parallel, others intersecting, forming a grand geometric form. In and around the lines there are also trapezoidal zones, strange symbols, and pictures of birds and beasts, the Great Pyramids of Egypt notwithstanding.
The figures come in two types: biomorphs and geoglyphs. The biomorphs are some 70 animal and plant figures that include a spider, hummingbird, monkey and a 1,000-foot-long pelican. The biomorphs are grouped together in one area on the plain. Some archaeologists believe they were constructed around 200 BC, about 500 years before the geoglyphs.
There are about 900 geoglyphs on the plain. Geoglyphs are geometric forms that include straight lines, triangles, spirals, circles and trapezoids. They are enormous in size. The longest straight line goes NINE MILES across the plain.
DISCOVERY AND MEANING:
Though discovered by Peruvian archaeologist Toribio Mejia Xesspe who spotted them while hiking through the surrounding foothills in 1927, the forms are so difficult to see from the ground that they were not widely known until the 1930’s when aircraft spotted them while surveying for water. The plain, crisscrossed, by these giant lines with many forming rectangles, has a striking resemblance to a modern airport. The Swiss writer, Erich von Daniken, even suggested they had been built for the convenience of ancient visitors from space to land their ships. (see: http://www.unmuseum.org/nazca.htm)
THE MORAL OF THE STORY. Spend the wealth on first securing the Earth from Global Climate Change or face a Martian Catastrophe without remedy.
A TALE OF SCIENCE or FICTION?
Iron and nickel are notable for being the final elements produced by stellar nucleosynthesis, and thus are the heaviest elements which do not require a red giant or supernova for formation. Iron and nickel are therefore the most abundant metals in metallic meteorites and in the dense-metal cores of planets such as Earth.
The hardest known metal alloy, and the hardest known metal in general, is a type of carbon steel, Alloy 1090. With a tensile strength of .84 GPa (122,000 psi) and a yield strength of .64 GPa (67,000 psi), carbon steel is surpassed in hardness only by very hard nonmetals, such as ruby, diamond, or aggregated diamond nanorods.
Mars has around fifteen percent of iron in its surface soil, thrice its average level here on Earth. There must once have been lots of oxygen around, as all the iron is in the red, highly-oxidised (ferric) form.
ONCE UPON A TIME life was teaming on mars. The oceans and water on Mars was equal to the waters of Earth.
At the height of Mars growth in technology Marskind began to explore the solar system visiting Earth many times. But who would want to set up camp on Earth with all the dinosaurs and HUMONGOUS animal predators? And that species called human in Africa? The aboriginal life forms? Who could live among the people you could not see at night, the invisible ones?
“Earth was a great place to visit But I wouldn’t to want to live there”, was a famous Martian expression………..UNTIL
Mars began to suffered the effects of green house gas and deforestation that reached critical mass as the greed for wealth and dominance of fellow Martians, overtook the planet.
GLOBAL WARMING became an uncontrollable force that Mars delayed too long doing anything about to prevent the destruction. The old adage: “TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE”. Another Martian saying.
Mars began dying and the planet panicked; they hastened to ready, transport spaceship(s) to move as many people as possible (the rich and famous) as GLOBAL WARMING steadily and increasingly devastated the cities. Weather wreaked havoc with the land and water, as patterns were upset around the planet.
After severe flooding the water levels rose and inundated the planet and then in a complete surprise the waters began receding and evaporating into space! The gravity of Mars underwent constant pole shifting because of the imbalances
During the gravitational pole shifting from north to south, south to north and back and forth, water mass began to simply “float” as mists, off the planet under the influence of gravitational forces outside the planet as Mar’s gravity became neutralized during the pole shifting. Entire lakes would be gone in mere weeks. Talk about a high tide.
Amid the panic and chaos the Martians emigrated to sister, Earth, for survival. Except for the lucky few, the entire population died out and before long the entire planet lost all its water, plant, and animal life . Mars became a barren wasteland.
What little moisture was retained soon evaporated leaving only a globe of iron-red, oxygen rich, dust residue.
Now, on Earth, as Man begins to explore the Planet from whence he came hundreds of thousands, millions of years ago, he is constantly looking for life signs. In the last four years many landscape formations have been photographed and speculated about: water, life and finally one region that NASA photographed, captured the image of a Martian statue. The News Media people have jokingly referred to the image as Martian Sasquatch but little do they know, it is no joke. And unless Mankind commences immediate undertakings to curb Global Warming, Earth will become as barren and devoid of life as sister planet, Mars.
The Martians had Mars’ sister Earth to rely on when they were forced off their own planet by Global Warming but now it has come full circle and yet again man’s greed and care-less attitude along with their philosophy of glorifying death instead of praising life, dying for the cause instead of living for the cause, is putting Earth on the brink of becoming a barren planet. The only difference? Mars had Earth as a backup homeland but Earth does not have a back up plan or a backup planet. So please wake up to this phenomenon, learn the message of the Planet and PLAN IT before we reach the point of critical mass: the point of no return.
The photograph, captured by NASA’S EXPLORER SPIRIT, is a statue of HARD METAL, a mermaid sitting atop a rock in the tide waters of Mars, much like the artistic creations on our own Planet Earth. This video is a re-creation of what the Planet Mars looked like before it was laid waste by GLOBAL WARMING. The Song is a lamentation of love lost during one of the worse disasters in pre-Mankind History. (This video is unavailable for viewing at this time)
From Mars to Earth we came and populated and now we are right back where our Ancestors were in the distant past, so long ago that memories of flying ships seem too far fetched to be real.
Watch this barren Image come alive in the re-created version of Mars before GLOBAL WARMING, out of control. We have little chance to stop it once it is out of control.
One wonders, if we put out collective minds together and we stop fighting and killing each other long enough, can we resolve to stop the destruction of the planet thus ensuring survival of the species? We do not have the luxury of running to another planet if Planet Earth goes the way of OUR SISTER PLANET, MARS.
Dr. Craig Ventor famous for decoding the Human Genome proposes a DNA DRIVEN WORLD to neutralize GLOBAL WARMING in a RICHARD DIMBELBY LECTURE.
On Youtube: watch?v=J6iNMjzc2FA
IN THE EARLY DAYS:
There were only two races inhabiting Earth. Neanderthals and Martians. When the Martian Greeders exploited and ravaged Mars, Global Warming lead to the climate change we see today on Mars, they migrated to earth and landed amongst the dinosaurs and the Neanderthals; the dinosaurs they set on fire when their seasonal mating forced migration to the nesting sites in the dinosaur estrus season; the Neanderthals too, were set afire and razed by the superior intelligence of the Martians. But the females were saved for mating during the Human Estrus season which we now called Christmas, the biggest sex Festival on the planet ( which the Christmas description incidentally is graphically documented in the Old Testament long before Jesus was ever born
The Neanderthal genes became diluted by the manipulation of the gene pool but survived nonetheless in the recesses of DNA but the prevalence of Martian DNA was the dominant strain among the world’s peoples.
The few female Martian migrants eventually capitulated as their gene pool suffered too much inbreeding thereby spawning the Down’s syndrome Race we call Asians. The dominant genes of the Neanderthals prevailed for awhile and they had already began to populate the equatorial forest and thus became deep brown with melanin and some of the more pure breed turned almost black; their genes continue to this present day but their estrogen levels forced a genetic transition to barbarism as they hunted the Martian dominant race for food, gaining the reputation known as the Cannibalism Syndrome.
Cannabalism forced the Martian Dominant species Out of Africa from whence the movie by the same name was produced. The Cannibal Tribe did not hunt the Down’s syndrome race for food because they believed that they would become afflicted by Downs as the culture had the superstitious belief that they became what they ate and so the Down’s syndrome Race flourished and multiplied so rapidly they eventually had to curb the population growth with the One Child Policy.
So three races remain today as Asian Race: the Down’s syndrome Tribes; the Cannibal Race, the Black and Brown Tribe and the Martian Tribe that fled the Cannibals out of the Equator territory where the Cannibal Tribes feared to tread because of the colder climate. Neither the Downs nor the Martian carried the black genes as they had remained for only few generations before they fled the Cannibals and so remained relatively melanin free except for those members of the tribes who gathered at the fringe of the Equator for the warmer climate of South America and India who carried some noticeable melanin traits but retained their Martian features of note what we today refer to as the Cauc-asian race(Cauc meaning Pre-; thus pre-asian, before Martian Inbreeding became a widespread problem; that is, the dominant traits of pre-down syndrome people that had mingled sufficiently with the Martian migrants to develop the distinctive “white race” features; AKA, Europids or Caucasian.
The task of explaining the Genesis of the human race fell to Moses to create from his imagination a scenario that would speak to the origin of Mankind that incorporated the societal influences(namely religion) in the days that Moses was born, escaped infanticide, was plucked from the basket floating among the reed by then princess of the Pharoah and brought up my his mother who offered to be a nursemaid to the child when the Princess adopted Moses as her very own son.
When Moses began his Genesis Theory he started his story thusly:
“In the beginning………….”
And this is where I end my story regarding the questions you asked because I do not know any more than Moses did about how it all began or if indeed, it ever did begin!
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December 19, 2014 at 6:50 pm
Son of Man,
Thank you for your response. I really enjoyed your post and it surpassed my expectations. I like your term “The Amoeba Theory” especially. I’ve never heard that term before but it’s growing on me.
Again, Theists have a wider range of beliefs when discussing this subject. This can range from taking the Genesis account literally to “Theistic Evolution” and lots of different versions in between. I thought the Atheistic beliefs were much narrower and only differed slightly from “Atheistic Evolution”. At least in your case you are thinking out side the box and I find that refreshing.
Extraterrestrial life playing a part in life on Earth to some extent has been scientifically proven. Complex life forms coming from Mars or another planet seems quite possible but is just a theory at this time. It would explain some things but not others.
Where ever life began (whether in a few or many places in our Universe), I’m assuming the Atheistic position would be it had to “evolve” to complex creatures. Therefore, although I find the extraterrestrial component interesting I treat it as a distraction for this type of discussion.
I’m not surprised you do not see any problems with “The Amoeba Theory”, I’ve never meet an Atheist that has. Would it be even possible for an Atheist to have problems with this theory? Are Atheists “all in” as it were? Could an Atheist say; this theory has problems but as we learn more we’ll learn the truth? Or does an Atheist have to say; this theory is the truth and as we learn more we’ll find answers to these problems? Or do only Theists have problems with this theory? Possibly only Theists can say; I reject ” The Creation Theory” and “The Amoeba Theory” because of perceived problems because of the many different interpretations we have on this subject.
Where would you guess we are in our understanding of this subject? We’ve got lots of data but I believe our interpretation is way behind other sciences.
Wonder if it’ll ever be “The Amoeba Law” in our life time?
Couple brief comments on “Climate Change”. Plant trees and react to problems as/if they happen is all we should be doing. Clean air and water for sure but “Carbon Pollution”. CO2 is getting a real bad wrap and people are starting to do crazy things because of political driven science on the climate.
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December 20, 2014 at 1:15 pm
Paul V:
Frank Adamick posted a revealing video on Fossil Fuels on December 3rd, 2-14 on Darwin’s Doubt Pt 1. Did you get a chance to view it?
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December 20, 2014 at 1:37 pm
Paul V:
I cannot speak for Atheists as a Group but one thing I would suggest is that no Atheist should partake of the Drug of Absolute Certainty that Theists hold onto like Crazy Glue. It goes like this:
“We’ve always speculated about what might lie beyond the stars, an activity not unlike theology only without all the cast iron certainties. And it’s fun to speculate about the big questions like the meaning of life because you never know somebody might actually come up with the answer; so far nobody has which would explain why there are so many expert opinions on this subject.
But there’s just something about human beings when it comes to the unknown, that we just don’t seem able to wonder about something and speculate creatively maybe have a bit of fun with it. No, not us. Instead we like to decide beyond all possible doubt, without a single shred of evidence.
We prefer to nail our colors to the mast before we know if there’s a ship attached to it. And often we’ll defend that position to the death. Now if that doesn’t qualify as serious mental illness, I would love to be briefed on what exactly does qualify and why.
It’s unfortunate that many people on this planet seem to believe the very first thing they’re told and stick with it for the rest of their life. Not only does it remain unexamined but any attempt to challenge it is taken as a grievous insult.
Clearly those early few months and years of life are a very sensitive time and whatever ideas are imprinted into the soft putty of the unformed mind at that stage stays there pretty much forever and yet for some reason, here in the civilized world, it’s still perfectly legal for us to indoctrinate our children with the most hateful and divisive absurdities it’s possible to imagine. And imagined them we have.
Creating in them not young, vibrant, healthy, inquiring minds but rather stunted little freakish bonsai minds that are no use to anyone but a bloodsucking preacher.
We not only allow this abuse, we actively encourage it; we throw public money at it. What we’d be better off at is subsidizing the tobacco industry because that does less harm. At least cigarettes carry a health warning. How about a mental health warning? On the holy scriptures?
Especially now that for the first time since the middle ages faith and politics go together like sex and violence only this time space age weapons are controlled by stone age minds and right now especially in the Middle East, things are shaping up quite nicely to blow us all to kingdom come.
Except that no kingdom is going to come ‘cause this is the kingdom; it has already come and we’re already living the dream. Religion knows this but it doesn’t want us to know it because then, it would not have any reason to exist. So instead , it seeks to place itself, to position itself between us and our experience, a self appointed filter. A parasite.
Now, maybe that’s okay with you, maybe you’re fine with that because maybe, you, don’t want experience, maybe you prefer dreams. Maybe you want your head to go to that special place where god wreaks abuse vengeance on anyone whose lifestyle, you don’t personally happen to approve of and where Jesus strokes you like a puppy dog.
Well if that’s the case you may as well take drugs because you’re already on the most dangerous drug there is. Absolute certainty is a drug that can make people do the strangest things. It’s the devil’s drug.
And you don’t want to be around anyone who’s on that stuff because they’re no longer in control, you can see it in their eyes, the drug is controlling them so that, suddenly, no action is too callous or too spiteful or too cruel to be justified.
And if you get hooked on it and if you keep taking it, you too could wake up one day, so full of righteousness that suddenly the only thing that makes sense to you anymore is somebody else’s death. And you’ll realize that your mind is
no longer your best friend.
So if someone offers you, Absolute Certainty, they’re going to make it sound attractive and you will be tempted; but, just say no. Your mind and your children’s minds will thank you for it and that really is, an absolute certainty.”
You can hear it from the “horse’s mouth”, an Atheist of YouTube fame, Pat Condell…..the following link……..Absolute Certainty:
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December 20, 2014 at 1:50 pm
Paul V:
At the risk of inundating you with hopeless video references I think you may find this Atheist’s view on “Origin of the Species”:
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December 20, 2014 at 2:02 pm
Paul V:
“The United States of Jesus”
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December 20, 2014 at 11:48 pm
Son of Man,
Saw the “Fossil Fuels” video shortly after Frank posted it. I’ve seen many of “Pat’s Rants” including these.
I work in the “Oil Patch”, we use the general term of hydrocarbons mostly not fossil fuels. Since I’m 54 once and a while I slip and use fossil fuels by mistake. When speaking specifically we use the proper term as req’d (ie. oil, oil emulsion, natural gas, condensate, liquified natural gas, etc…). I don’t dispute the main premise of the video, but I’m not buying it totally. We were taught in science class oil was the product of dead creatures. It wasn’t till I went back to College (as a mature student) that I became aware of the term hydrocarbons and the most likely origin of same. So my main take away from the video is; science got it wrong again.
I agree with Pat on the “absolute certainty” thing. Seems to me it isn’t only Theist on that drug there are many Atheists addicted also. As I said, seems only myself and a few others I’ve meet have problems with both main theories.
I really enjoy “Pat’s Rants”. IMO what he really has trouble with is Organized Religion, same as me.
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December 21, 2014 at 7:14 am
To Paul et al:
In the Spirit of the Season consider the Son of Man maxim: The Good, Better, Best of gifting:
” ‘Tis Good to receive without giving;
‘Tis Better to give without receiving;
‘Tis Best to be giving AND receiving.”
Amen for the Women in your life.
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December 23, 2014 at 9:15 pm
Fatal Failures Falsify the Evolutionary Model of Creation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr8Az3QQZdI
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