Many Christians wonder whether God will forgive them for intentional sin – particularly premeditated and habitual sins. It’s easy to believe God will forgive us for accidental sins, but not for sins that we plan out in advance or choose to do over and over again.
So, will God forgive such sins? Before we answer that question we should be clear about what God thinks of these sins. He hates them because He hates all sin. Sin is contrary to His holy nature. Sin ruptures God’s relationship with us, and this grieves Him. He has given us the power to choose righteousness (Romans 6; 8:1-4), and yet we choose unrighteousness instead.
Back to our question. Will God forgiven intentional sin? If He won’t, then no sin would be forgiven because all sin is intentional. After all, sin is not something that just happens to us. We choose to sin. When faced with morally significant decisions, we either choose to obey God, or choose to disobey God. That’s not to say we don’t experience a moral conflict within us (Romans 7). While part of us desires to do good and not to sin, there is a part of us that desires to sin – and the part that desires to sin is stronger than the part of us that wants to do good. Neither is this to say that some sins require more intentionality than others. While some sins come more naturally and we commit them rather quickly (such as outbursts of anger during a heated disagreement), other sins require more planning (such as sexual sin, divorce, and murder). I think its these latter sins that concern us most. We feel more guilt and moral responsibility for sins we plan in advance than we do for more “spontaneous sins.”
So, will God forgive these intentional and habitual sins? Yes.[1] After all, if Jesus instructed us to forgive our brother 490 times if he seeks forgiveness after each transgression (Mt 18:21-22), then surely He must be willing to do at least as much. Scripture does not distinguish between forgivable and unforgivable sins.[2] If and when we repent, God will forgive us (1 John 1:7,9).
The danger of intentional, premediated, habitual sin is not that God will stop forgiving us, but that we will stop seeking His forgiveness. Sin has a way of searing our conscience and killing our faith (Ps 14:1; Jn 3:19-21; Rom 1:18; 8:7; Eph 4:17-19; Col 1:21; Heb 3:12-14; 1 Tim 4:2). Hebrews 3:12-13 is particularly clear on this matter: “Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called ‘today,’ that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.” It is an unbelieving heart that causes us to apostatize, but that unbelieving heart became unbelieving and hardened by sinning. A hardened heart that causes unbelief no longer feels guilty for sin, and thus no longer seeks for forgiveness. And if our faith is being killed by habitual sin, then we will cease to be justified before God because only our faith in Christ can justify us.
While we should never turn God’s grace into a license to sin (Romans 6; Jude 4), His grace is available when we repent of our sin. We are on dangerous ground if we find ourselves planning both our sin and our repentance. Something is amiss in our Christian life if we are relying on God’s grace to cover intentional sin rather than allowing His grace to lead us to greater levels of holiness (Romans 6:14; Titus 2:11-12).
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[1]Some may appeal to Hebrews 10:26-27: “For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.” The context of this passage, however, makes it clear that the author is not referring to sin in general, but to the specific sin of apostasy. He was warning Jewish believers against abandoning Christ to return to the Mosaic Covenant.
[2]The only exceptions to this are the unforgivable sin spoken of by Jesus and what John called the “sin unto death” (Matthew 12:31-32; Mark 3:22-30; Luke 12:10; 1 John 5:16-17). The specific nature of either sin is not clear, but the unforgivable sin spoke of by Jesus is most likely not the kind of sin that a Christian could even commit (attributing the clear work of the Holy Spirit to the work of Satan). The “sin unto death” John spoke of is not clear. Scholars debate whether John thought this was a sin committable by Christians, or only by former Christians and non-believers who can rightly be described as anti-Christian. John may have in mind those former Christians who deny that Jesus is the Son of God. This is a sin to death because they are denying the only truth that can save them. It’s not so much that the sin is unpardonable, but that it will not be pardoned because the spiritual state of the one who committed is such that they will never seek forgiveness for it (they are apostates). Whatever John may have had in mind, he is not referring to the rank and file sins that followers of Christ commit.
March 3, 2015 at 12:37 pm
Jason:
POINT ONE:
It may seem cute to do the math “490 times” regarding: Matt18:21-22 “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?” ‘Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.”
Jason I don’t mean to be mean but clearly Jesus did not mean literally “490 times”, Jesus used this figuratively, a metaphor that can be easily subsituted with “……as many as necessary, often, needed and so on; it’s something like the “…….one hundred and forty-four thousand, having His Father’s name written on their foreheads…………..” another metaphor for the number of people to be reigning with Christ, getting into heaven or “…..as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.”: ‘as many as’ are led by the spirit……….” and so on.
POINT TWO:
Sin like beauty is in the eye of the beholder. No matter how you cut it, it is men who decide what your sins are, self conviction notwithstanding, whether the bible writers claim it is from God or not, regardless of what they say where it comes from, it is men who say it, write it, condemn it, penalize it, admonish it, sacrifice for it, absolve it, retain it, forgive it.
POINT THREE:
THE Unforgivable sin. THIS IS WHAT JESUS MEANT AND WHAT JOHN MEANT REGARDING THE SAME:
Christ Clear Comments:
Very few religious people understand what the nature of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit really means. Let me explain what it is:
First of all the Holy Spirit resides inside everybody; this is not something outside human experience, the spirit resides within. Think of it this way. As a child you fall and scrape your knee so you learn not to fall or you learn how to avoid a fall that will injure you. We feel the heat as a child from the stove or a match or the fire of a lamp or a candle but as a young inexperienced child we do not understand what burn means and we don’t hesitate to reach out to touch the fire.
Suddenly, WOW, we feel the heat and anyone who has ever been around a new born baby knows what happens as the child touches something that hurts them for the first time. Yes they will cry loudly over that event but what happens is that the child’s brain is also seared by the memory of the fire or the heat and there it will remain as a memory throughout the lifetime of the person, into adulthood serving thereafter as a guide for discernment.
What we call Ghost is really The Ghost of Memory. Holy, being another word for Good, the spirit within is actually our memory, the Good Spirit, the Good Memory, the Holy Ghost. We deem it good because it is our internal saviour by which experience, understanding and knowledge gives us a bundle of experiences so we learn to avoid the bad and choose the good, we avoid the pain of fire for instance.
Jesus referred to this inside force as the Self Witness, also as, The Father. Memory is really our internal guide that will remember our bad experiences and good experiences alike so we can discern the difference and choose the one that is “GOOD”, the right one. The Internal Guide, the Companion within, sees everything we do in secret because our memory records every one of our behaviors and experiences associated with our behavior. That my friend, is the Holy Ghost; AKA, Good Gosh.
Whoever blasphemes against,
The Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; indeed, cannot be forgiven because we go against our very own self; we are guilty of an eternal sin which is also being guilty of “internal sin”.
That is, “if you go against your natural memory, knowingly and decide to take the chance anyway, that is the peril you put yourself in because you are going against what the internal spirit has recorded in your memory for your protection.
Those who go directly against the natural barriers…… do so at their own peril because they willingly give in to the behavior which memory already knows and warns us the danger of doing something that could seriously harm or even cause our death and therefore cannot be forgiven, for if you relinquish your personal guide(guardian angel) and abandon your memory savior..your own Spirit, you risk losing it all; you may get away with it once or twice maybe even three or more times but is the risk of blasphemy against your own self protection worth the risk? what a chance you take.
Abandoning the spirit that is part of you, there to protect you and secure you and remind you of the dangers and then, going against the guide; i.e., gut instinct or intuition even though you may not directly remember, your guide will give you the vibes of danger, the feelings of uneasiness….pay attention because if you don’t, this can allow forces to be brought upon you with utter destruction; without remedy! Then, there can be no forgiveness since forgiveness is part of the spirit you rejected so if you go against the spirit within you, willingly, if you go against your internal warning; you go against forgiveness itself; how then, can you have it and not obey it at the same time……..You cannot. Going against the internal spirit then, is what we call blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
You may not have a direct memory for example of a childhood experience where you may have touched an electrical wire and you may also have heard about the danger of shocks and high voltage from your friends and family or at school, maybe in science class. You may come into close contact with an electrical wire that may have an electrical charge going through it and you may suddenly feel a need to avoid getting too close to the wire but if you do not pay attention and go against the uneasiness you could touch the wire and die as a result… that is what might happen when you go against the spirit, it may not happen, you may just get a huge non life threatening jolt, bolt, volt and if nothing happens you may disregard it as okay but the next time you may not recover from the shock and many have gone to the death disregarding the internal guide warnings we all get from time to time.
That is what Blasphemy against the Good Spirit means and why it is such an unforgivable sin if you disregard the warnings. Ghadaffi disregarded the warnings all around him from his own people who were protesting for a better life but did he listen to his own spirit, the warnings were unmistakable but Ghadaffi did not pay attention, not right away but every little bit of discord he sowed over 42 years accumulated and look where he ended up, in unforgiveness without remedy; and, without remedy could happen in 7 seconds or seventy times seven seconds (490) seconds.
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March 3, 2015 at 3:07 pm
Personally, I think the sin Jesus was addressing was the sin of blasphemy. That sin under the Law was unparalleled – it was either met with banishment or death, and the persons name blotted out from their family records and left with no inheritance. So when Jesus looks at the teachers of the law and tells them they are in danger of this, they all knew what this meant. It meant that “the axe was at the root of the tree”, as John declared.
Very good artical.
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March 3, 2015 at 3:25 pm
Will God forgive intentional sin? Absolutely. “Therefore, if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new. Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation, that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation. Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God. For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.” (2 Corinthians 5:17-21) Because of His love for us God Himself eliminates sin, which is the cause of hostility between humanity and the Almighty, by Messiah’s redemptive work on the Cross. Now a total and maturing fellowship has become possible between us and God.
Then all the tax collectors and the sinners drew near to Him to hear Him. And the Pharisees and the scribes complained, saying, “This Man receives sinners and eats with them.” So He spoke this parable to them, saying: “Likewise, I say to you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents.” Then He said: “A certain man had two sons. And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the portion of goods that falls to me.’ So he divided to them his livelihood. And not many days after, the younger son gathered all together, journeyed to a far country, and there wasted his possessions with prodigal living. But when he had spent all, there arose a severe famine in that land, and he began to be in want. Then he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. And he would gladly have filled his stomach with the pods that the swine ate, and no one gave him anything. But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! I will arise and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you, and I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired servants.” ‘ And he arose and came to his father. But when he was still a great way off, his father saw him and had compassion, and ran and fell on his neck and kissed him. And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight, and am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet. And bring the fatted calf here and kill it, and let us eat and be merry; for this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ And they began to be merry. Now his older son was in the field. And as he came and drew near to the house, he heard music and dancing. So he called one of the servants and asked what these things meant. And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and because he has received him safe and sound, your father has killed the fatted calf.’ But he was angry and would not go in. Therefore his father came out and pleaded with him. So he answered and said to his father, ‘Lo, these many years I have been serving you; I never transgressed your commandment at any time; and yet you never gave me a young goat, that I might make merry with my friends. But as soon as this son of yours came, who has devoured your livelihood with harlots, you killed the fatted calf for him.’ And he said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that I have is yours. It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’ ” (Luke 15:10-32)
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March 3, 2015 at 3:43 pm
Jason said:
“Sin has a way of searing our conscience and killing our faith (Ps 14:1; Jn 3:19-21; Rom 1:18; 8:7; Eph 4:17-19; Col 1:21; Heb 3:12-14; 1 Tim 4:2). If we no longer feel guilty, we will no longer ask for forgiveness. And if our faith is being killed by habitual sin, then we will cease to be justified before God because only our faith in Christ can justify us.”
I agree!
Heb 3:12-14; as you noted, clearly reveals the dangers of “The deceitfulness of sin” that can cause us to be hardened and eventually reach the place where God sees us as unbelievers. After all, saving faith is not a one time thing it’s a life-long thing.The Bible makes it clear that we are saved by faith and lost by unbelief.
Heb 3:18-19 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.
How shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation!
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March 3, 2015 at 4:15 pm
SonofMan, obviously Jesus did not mean for 490 to be the exact number of times forgiveness is required. I never claimed otherwise.
Jason
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March 3, 2015 at 5:21 pm
The 490 I see as a reference to the well known prophecy of Daniel (that any good Jewish boy was taught), the coming of the final sacrifice, the perfect picture of why we can forgive or be forgiven. Jesus can present this idea of forgiveness because of the grace of God that flows from the cross and affords us this ability.
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March 3, 2015 at 5:43 pm
Thanks Dane, for highlighting that connection. For the many times I’d considered the Book of Daniel’s 70 sevens I didn’t see that reference in the light of your explanation. In addition to that clear picture of Ultimate Forgiveness it gives another testament to the integral design the Holy Spirit weaves through Scripture.
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March 3, 2015 at 6:20 pm
“O my God, incline Your ear and hear; open Your eyes and see our desolations, and the city which is called by Your name; for we do not present our supplications before You because of our righteous deeds, but because of Your great mercies.” (Daniel 9:18)
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March 3, 2015 at 11:07 pm
Frank:
Can’t you understand that you quote scripture textually but have no idea how to describe the narrative? I fyou can’t describe then you cannot expect anyone to think you know what you are talking about or understanding the scripture to mean. Anyone can quote scripture textually. Otherwise your quotes are meaningless; pointless, because you can’t give impetus to what you quote so the quote dies at its end!
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March 3, 2015 at 11:11 pm
OMG you are all so blind to reality because of cliche words that mean nothing without context.
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March 3, 2015 at 11:19 pm
You can take a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
The way Christians read scripture is exactly like taking the horse to water but you can’t make him drink (understand) what he drinks. OMG. Christians can drink the words but never go fo a ride.!
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March 3, 2015 at 11:37 pm
Frank;
give up quoting scriptures if you can’t give context and meaning to what you quote. Worse than merely useless.
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March 5, 2015 at 10:47 am
“The danger of intentional, premediated, habitual sin is not that God will stop forgiving us, but that we will stop seeking His forgiveness. Sin has a way of searing our conscience and killing our faith (Ps 14:1; Jn 3:19-21; Rom 1:18; 8:7; Eph 4:17-19; Col 1:21; Heb 3:12-14; 1 Tim 4:2). If we no longer feel guilty, we will no longer ask for forgiveness. And if our faith is being killed by habitual sin, then we will cease to be justified before God because only our faith in Christ can justify us.”
Jason, good post, I had a comment on the paragraph above.
I would question whether a person who is continually committing premeditated sin and not feeling at least a little bit uncomfortable is even born again. This is a person who is “practicing” sin, that is, he is practicing to get better at it. If there is no struggle and the sinning is done with reckless abandon I would seriously question that this person was ever born again in the first place. Maybe he is just religious.
On the other hand, if a person is born again he cannot cease to be justified and he does need to “ask” for forgiveness. The blood of Christ cleansed ALL our sins once and for all when we were born again. God’s continual forgiveness is not predicated on our asking or on our behavior. It is accomplished by our faith in the Son of God, this is the gospel that sets us free. If we had to ask for forgiveness for every sin we committed and we forgot about some sins, does that mean we don’t have God’s forgiveness any more ? Certainly not. We cannot lose God’s forgiveness. Our salvation is based on His work and not our faithfulness. God tried the faithfulness thing with the Law and Israel failed miserably because they could not remain faithful to God and keep His commandments. Our struggle with sin is a sign that we are born again because sin does not fit any more with who we are.
Also, we don’t receive or keep God’s forgiveness by “repenting of our sins”. Repentance is a change of direction from unbelief to faith in Christ for our salvation. Surely a behavior change will come about when a person has received Christ, but we don’t change our behavior in order to receive or keep forgiveness. The gospel of Christ is not about what we do but in believing what God did through the blood of Jesus Christ. Any doctrine that stresses the keeping of good behavior in order to be or stay saved is works-based religion and is not the true gospel of Christ.
As for the unpardonable sin, I believe this can only refer to a person who rejects the salvation of Christ by denying His identity and efficacious work He accomplished on our behalf on the cross. Since there is no other way to obtain forgiveness of sins, this sin would be by definition “unpardonable”.
Naz
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March 5, 2015 at 2:26 pm
Naz:
A goobly gook rant by any name. And this “The blood of Christ cleansed ALL our sins once and for all when we were born again.” paaalleeeeease; again, nice goobly talk for religious dogma but it was not the blood of Jesus that cleanses, that’s the old sacrificial sprinkling of the ancient Mosaic Law of religious myopicism that was worse than merely useless. It is the mesage of Jesus life that explains forgeveness not his death; get that out of your mind, you’re swarming with satanic myths. Get this blood nonsense “caca del toro” out of your indoctrinated brain.
Asking for forgiveness? That’s what people do when confessing to people but even then forgiveness is not a requisite of confession althougn in many cases that is the best start since those are the times that forgiveness necessarily comes fomr othe rpeople who are the ones who need to forgive transgressions against them inadvertently or on purpose.
Bt in the privacy of our own hearts and minds when we become convicted::::For we know not what to ask for: First, when the believer is most oppressed by outward trials and is most depressed by a sense of his inward vileness, when he is at his wit’s end and ready to wring his hands in despair, or is most conscious of his spiritual deadness and inability to express the sinfulness of his case, the Spirit stirs him in the depths of his being: “The Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings and moanings which cannot be uttered in words.”
This is when we cry and weep with tears welling outward, revealing the inward turmoil or sorrow in our core. I have cried this way more than once and when my groanings and moanings reach pitch level I sound like a wolf howling out of failure and helplessness at the moon. Sobbing in this way is what this scripture is referring to; there’s nothing complicated about it.
You just can’t seem to get away from scriptural references to the blood sacrifices of the days of old. This is so yesterday; so last millennia; all it shows is how the past remains with us still because of ritualism and dogma that haunts society for thousands of years. It’s like finger beading, the only effect finger beading has on anyone is the addiction it renders the beader from ritualistic behavior.
Is it any wonder how the Middle East is still conflicted when even thousands of years cannot erase the addiciton of ritualistic hatred and revenge? Repetition is useless and we can easily see that because of the requirement religious dogma demands, go to church Sunday after Sunday after Sunday and twice on Wednesday. It’s great for the collection plate but useless for anything profitable that edifies.
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March 5, 2015 at 2:35 pm
An example of obtuse interpretation:
“God tried the faithfulness thing with the Law and Israel failed miserably because they could not remain faithful to God and keep His commandments.”
What does that even mean? Nothing but goobly gook pretense that requires an academia show of lengthy words to make nonsense sound sensible to explain what in the world it means. It’s akin to speaking in tongues without an interpreter.
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March 5, 2015 at 8:53 pm
Leo,
In post # 3 the very first Scripture I quoted was, “Therefore, if any one is in Christ, he is a new creation;” from (2 Corinthians 5:17). That leaves you dead at the gate. You’re an atheist, Leo. Of course those words are incomprehensible to you. They weren’t written for you. Paul’s Epistle was written to believers. When it comes to Scripture your useless perception leaves you vapid; incapable “to know wisdom and instruction, to perceive the words of understanding”. (Proverbs 1:2) Your chronic myopia proves self-inflicted. It’s totally willful. You travel lost in the putrid delirium of your own morose fantasies; putting yourself completely beyond reach of the reconciliation that’s been made available to all humanity. “Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God has showed it unto them. For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse.” (Romans 1:19, 20) Your choice of atheism; your willful decision not to be “in Christ” denies you the understanding and the power to be born again. In answer to your question in post # 15: that means this, “That was the true Light, which lights every man that comes into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. He came unto His own, and His own received Him not. But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And of His fullness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:9-13, 16, 17)
Be advised: I’ll keep quoting Scripture. And I’m certain, Leo, you’ll keep bloviating.
– Frank
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March 5, 2015 at 9:50 pm
The Unforgivable Sin:
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March 6, 2015 at 12:49 am
Frank:
I have already described the unforgiveable sin; what it is, why it is; when it is; how it operates and where it operates. So listening to some religious preacher from the pulpit only reinforces your belief in the irrational and cannot convince anybody who is not already suffering the delusion of religious insanity.
Being “in Christ” is not being “in religion”, not “being in ritual”, not being “in superstition” and not being prone to everything “in supernatural context”; the paranormal ghost you think of Jesus as, is the dogma of magical minds of ancient men who made up the blood sacrifice nonsense for the remission of sins which they decided which sins were sins (yours) and which sins were not sins (their own) Believers do not know, do not understand, are not capable of understanding what being “in Christ” means when you describe it with a ghostly wavering voice in the context of the unknowable but you try Frank you try; it’s all you know while refusing to open your mind to the words of Jesus.
Everything you say about me is what your ancestors said about Jesus when he was saying the same things to them that I say to you and still you remain blind to his messages because you will not accept what I say even though I quote from the same text you quote from. You quote text without context and use hackneyed phrases and expressions that the religious used against Jesus but he quoted and gave context and perfect interpretation to the scriptures he quoted. When Jesus spoke about the scriptures from the same bible that everyone else read, everybody was on the edge of their seat wondering what AMAZING thing he’d say next. Not like the scribes and Pharisees and you Frank; when you guys speak everyone wants to go for a quiet doze and wake up just before the benediction and preferably after the offering. The monotone of your monotony makes people want to go to sleep because you can’t tell anybody what anything means unless you repeat the same religious nonsense who, like the Scribes and Pharisees thought they were making headway repeating the same tired ritualisms but all they cared about was to be heard of men with their much speaking.
If I quote scripture, the exact scriptures that you quote, what would be the difference between you and I? Everything. But in reality the difference is that I give context and describe the meanings by interpreting scriptures perfecly with knowledge like Jesus did, while you merely repeat dogmatic belief nonsense without any context other than more nonsense to back up the nonsense you quote without understanding why it is nonsense. You operate on belief; Jesus never did and that’s what made his words so powerful to the masses and so venomous to the clergy. The masses were in awe and the clergy were in rage. The masses heard something new and the clergy knew Jesus was spot on. That’s the difference in the mighty gulf between you and I. You have your base that supports you so cater to it. I have the Jesus message and you just cannot receive it. Reject me, you reject him and you reject the father he always referred to when he talked about the father within you.
It’s like when you said you could tell me why you believe that the tombs opened after the resurrection and the dead returned to their loved ones saying that you could explain it but I did not know the dogmatic nonsense of the supernatural caca from Leviticus. Just another example of how you worm and wiggle your way around the truth of the ludicrous belief that the graves opened and the dead rose up as first fruits.
You can’t get more laughable than that without trying.
And I say to you now what Jesus said to your ancestors 2000 years ago:
“I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness.
And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world.
He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—THE WORDS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN will judge him in the last day.”
I cannot lead anybody astray and you cannot lead anybody but astray.
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March 6, 2015 at 12:58 am
Frank:
I am as much an atheist as Jesus was and following in his path is a badge of honor. You seem to think Jesus was like you; like the Pharisees, toeing the religous line, man you are so far from the truth. Get to know him Frank and we can talk on a level that seems too high for you at this time. Religion is the elephant in the world you need to get out from under, one bite at a time. It’s like kleenex, you might think it’s easy but it’s not.
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March 6, 2015 at 1:25 am
Frank:
It’s almost unbelievable that you would post such a ludicrous video by John MacArthur who took more than thrity minutes to get to what he called the unforgiveable sin and then what he finally announced what the unforgiveble sin was so bizarre he may just as well have waved a kerchief over a hat and let fly out a white dove to confirm his statement. OMG I really pity you Frank; your lack of insight is so intense as to make one wonder; I mean, if it wasn’t for nonsense, you would have no sense at all and it leads me to ask you a question without reservation:
Of all the things you lost, do you miss your mind the most?
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March 6, 2015 at 6:04 am
Leo, Jesus’ life does save us as you said, but not His earthly life because that is over, but His eternal life that He wants to freely give to those who believe.
Notice the words “always lives” and “made perfect forever”…
Leo, you don’t want to miss this, I hope God opens your understanding my friend…..
Heb 7:22 This makes Jesus the guarantor of a better covenant.
Heb 7:23 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office,
Heb 7:24 but he holds his priesthood permanently, because he continues forever.
Heb 7:25 Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For it was indeed fitting that we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, unstained, separated from sinners, and exalted above the heavens.
Heb 7:27 He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.
Heb 7:28 For the law appoints men in their weakness as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came later than the law, appoints a Son who has been made perfect forever.
Naz
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March 7, 2015 at 3:27 am
Leo,
First, to be clear none of this is about you or me in particular. Although, I know due to your narcissistic character that disappoints you exceedingly. But since you’ve taken the liberty to claim certain assumptions about me. Now I’ll exercise my prerogative.
You certainly live in a world that’s all your own. Whenever you post I never see anything substantiated or corroborated by historical fact, competent biblical scholarship or even everyday real life experience. You proffer long-winded absurdities, impotent diatribes & blatant suppositions as relevant “proofs” of your arguments. You fabricate a “Jesus” of your own predilections. Then you claim, “I am as much an atheist as Jesus was”. In order to reach that conclusion you must be either an illiterate or an imbecile. And we’ve established you’re no illiterate. How on earth do you expect to be taken seriously? Heads up, Leo. You don’t fool anybody. You’re a flagrant atheist from the word go. You twist & weave faster than Rumpelstiltskin’s loom. You can fill this blog with all the hay & stubble your petty heart desires. But what you’ll find for sure one day – bottom line – it’ll never bring you one ounce of genuine satisfaction. You’ll wind up empty, alone, imprisoned within total darkness just as every atheist who rejects the One True God:
“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all peoples to Myself.” This He said, signifying by what death He would die. The people answered Him, “We have heard from the law that the Messiah remains forever; and how can You say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up?’ Who is this Son of Man?” Then Jesus said to them, “A little while longer the light is with you. Walk while you have the light, lest darkness overtake you; he who walks in darkness does not know where he is going. While you have the light, believe in the light, that you may become sons of light.” These things Jesus spoke, and departed, and was hidden from them. But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: “Lord who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?” Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again: “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, lest they should see with their eyes, lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them.” These things Isaiah said when he saw His glory and spoke of Him [Isaiah 6:1-10]. Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world [John 3:16-18]. He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him – the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day [John 3:19-21]. For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told me, so I speak.” (John 12:32-50)
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March 7, 2015 at 8:51 am
Frank:
Very precious little you ever say means anything concrete because, although you are textually active, you simply recite what others tell you. And accept another’s explanation of your textually active, inaccurately interpreted quotes.
Why it wasn’t very long ago I quoted scripture from the New American Bible Revised Edition(NABRE) and the Full Jewish Bible regarding Joel 1-5 and because I quote textually, you said to me:
“You’re dysfunctional when it comes to Bible Scripture. “You incorrectly cite Joel 3:1 for Joel 2:28. It’s this sort of sloppy half-assed “research” that hamstrings your understanding.”
Really Frank:
Now this comment, like all your ad hominems, not only shows your ignorant brain but shows you being, not “in Christ” but “in disfavor” with the Father who resides in all of us, even within you Frank as the word of Jesus clearly tells you in scripture but that just goes right over your head because you believe your supernatural bent is way ahead of everyone else even Christian colleagues undoubtedly, and most certainly Jesus himself! Your take is not straight, it is BENT because of you are supernaturally bent. These are the kind of nonsense comments the Scribes and Pharisees used to denigrate Jesus, the one you now claim is a ghost from the paranormal past out in the northern cosmos or wherever else you believe the spirits reside. Do you think maybe the spirits reside in a bottle of whiskey Frank?
If you don’t think Jesus was an atheist please: Tell me what part of Religion, Church, Clergy, Rituals, Jesus loved! Or was a member of? NONE! Jesus was an atheist and the religious wingnuts of his day called him a blasphemer with a demon, a glutton, a drunk, a sinner and sought for three years to imprison him, throw him over cliffs, stone him, whip him, beat him, mock him and crucify him, which is no different than religion does today to atheists and gays alike, especially in Muslim countries. Is that the religious Jesus you’re talking about? Is it because of this treatment of Jesus that you believe Jesus was not an atheist? John 7:7 “The (religious) world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it that its works are evil.” That would not mean you Frank, would it?
Supernatural god myth followers do it with words today, online, and would deny human rights to groups of people whose lifestyle they disagree with, the complete reversal of the teachings of Jesus to the humanity he loved.
Atheists can take pleasure that Jesus was an Atheist and supports the ideas of Atheism and his message throughout the Gospels proves that position.
So I would like to clarify something about religion and about Christians who claim to follow Jesus. From where I sit, we atheists can take great delight in the discovery through long, intense and meticulous study of the Bible that Jesus was one of the first Atheists who came out of the “Atheist Closet”. Coming out of that closet in those days was like taking your life in your own hands because Atheism was considered Blasphemy and punishable by death as it still is today in most countries under Shariah Law. Most men of ancient times therefore, are claimed by Christians to have been devout religious men; well, who wouldn’t be religious and openly devout if neglect and disagreement of religion was going to get you killed when they found you out? Even today in the USA there are eight States whose Constitutions forbid anyone, not religious, from holding public office! Obama said in his book, “If you want to run for office in the U.S. you better get a Church”!
Jesus may have been a Jew by birth but he was an Atheist by choice; that’s why they tried to kill him. He did not try to “fix” religion because religion was as unfixable then as it is unfixable today; the entire religious Laws were corrupted because the Status Quo did not understand how to practice the Universal Law all they knew ws the Religious Law. The punitive Mosaic Law of Revenge, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth was not fixable; it was replaced by its correct fulfillment by Jesus, with the Universal Laws of: Forgiveness, Compassion and Love.
Unfortunately the real Jesus of the Bible was hijacked and incorporated into the ongoing religious myths about the supernatural, completely perverting his teachings in the “takeover” in order to continue the tried and true practice for financial security with the pence and power of the Church and its perpetrators of the religious hoaxes thereby holding the masses in thrall as still today like you Frank, still in thrall to the supernatural nonsense. Jesus NEVER WAS.
Bingo the Money God is the Bottom Line and true God of Religion selling their repetitive scriptures in books and tapes and tracts and miracle water in ketchup packages preaching the virtue of “giving” (tithing) while circulating the collection kettle nets, row after row after row! Then off to the bank using congregation number of bums on the seats as collateral for another generation of youngsters forced by child abuse to follow your pipe dreams that Jesus constantly railed against when he was among us.
Jesus the atheist, hated religion and all things clergy: hypocrisy, pretense, devouring widow’s property, lengthy show of prayers, rituals ,greetings, high seats, the supernatural, white washed tombs, decorating graves. Gods are myths. Jesus never believed in the supernatural gods created by men; Jesus accepted and referred to what God, God whom?
God The Father residing in his Kigdom “within you”……if you let him. Luke 17:20-21
You even need to use a different name for Jesus for academia pretense and call the virgin Mary the virgin Miriam; again, for academia pretense but one can see right through you. You use writings from ignorant ancients in Daniel and Leviticus to make your current nonsenscial ideas fit into the mousehole conspiracy theories of bodies and bones rising from the dead, intact, and returning to their family and loved ones. your version of following Christ is laughable, you don’t follow Jesus, you pummel him with supernatural superstitious insanity and expect you are a righteous Christian.
You are no better that the Pharisaical hypocrites whom Jesus called poisonous snakes…oh yeah Frank, Jesus was religious like you right? Huh.
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March 8, 2015 at 6:36 pm
Leo,
You’ve made it plain that you take serious issue with several of Yahshua’s/Jesus’ precepts; eg., The Triune God, Messiah as fully God and fully man, Grieving and Blaspheming the Holy Spirit and Salvation by Grace to name some. Moreover, you discommend Old Testament Scripture. Yahshua never does that. Fact is: there’s no such thing as a “design Savior”. You can’t come to know Jesus “by improvisation”. He reveals Himself to us by His ways & His means; Holy Scripture being one principal manner. Remember, Leo, He’s God and you’re not. O wait. You claim He’s an atheist like you. Well, prepare for a shock, Leo, but that’s just not the way it is. Here’s how it goes from Yahshua’s own Lips:
Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, “Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.” But He answered and said unto them, “Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, ‘HONOR THY FATHER AND MOTHER [Exodus 20:12]: and, HE THAT CURSETH FATHER OR MOTHER, LET HIM DIE THE DEATH’ [Exodus 21:17; Leviticus 20:9; Mark 7:10]. But ye say, ‘Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me’; And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, ‘THIS PEOPLE DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH, AND HONORETH ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN’.” (Matthew 15:1-9) Yahshua’s condemnation was for the takanot of the Pharisees & Sadducees. They enslaved their brethren by adding to and taking away from God’s Torah/Instructions. We’re commanded by God; i.e., YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Bible never to do this. “Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish aught from it, that ye may keep the commandments of YHVH your God which I command you.” (Deuteronomy 4:2) Yahshua demands worship. Only God can do that. What they did offer God was impious vainglory rather than true worship [John 4:21-24].
Yahshua’s no atheist; like your kind or any other kind. He believes in God, God our Father. In His message to the church at Philadelphia Yahshua declares, “He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name.” (Revelation 3:12)
Now here’s your choice, Leo. You can continue in your own self-inventions and machinations and you’ll finish as I described in post # 22. Or you can surrender yourself to Christ/Messiah. Declare Him as the Lord and Savior of your life. Know God and make Him known; the real Yahshua who reveals Himself to us through Scripture & the universe in which we live.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. In Him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.” (John 1:1-5)
Abandon your false atheistic concepts, Leo. They’re viciously pernicious and serve only to put you on the road to ruin [Matthew 7:13, 14; Luke 13:24].
Worship in spirit and in truth God our Father, Yahshua and His Holy Spirit. Tell Them, “By You I have been upheld from birth; You are He who took me out of my mother’s womb. My praise shall be continually of You.” (Psalm 71:6)
There’s a promise from the Almighty Himself waiting for you if you have the wisdom & courage to claim it: “And He that sat upon the throne said, ‘Behold, I make all things new.’ And He said unto me, ‘Write: for these words are true and faithful.’ And He said unto me, ‘It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.’ ” (Revelation 21:5-7)
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March 8, 2015 at 8:19 pm
Frank:
You continue to use the supernatural God in your mind despite the clear words of Jesus about the Father that resides “within you”. I don’t have a problem with the God within you; what I have a problem with is the God you believe is some supernatural entity when that is absolutely not the God Jesus referred to. When he quotes Isaiah about the lip service the religious community gives, he is talking about the lip service to the Father within not God the Father without, the supernatural kind that the ancients always talked about, the kind you can never ever know; it’s the Father within Frank, that’s the God Jesus is talking about but you are talking about some paranormal entity which is not the same Father as Jesus. So you are even on a paralell road with Jesus; you areon the religous road of the ancients and those two roads are separated by a mighty gulf.
And when you say that I take issue with the Grieving and Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that’s false. What I take issue with is your misinterpretation of both. Grace is something people are born with and who by practice exercise the grace by discernment unto righteousness; you think you get it by blood sacrifice and those like that are the ones who wear their seatbelt because they think the police law enforcers might catch them; I never think about the law enforcers catching me when I drive.
You say: “He reveals Himself to us by His ways & His means; Holy Scripture being one principal manner.” But you don’t mean that because if you did you would realize that you, Frank, have no monopoly on deciding what Jesus means and ways are to anyone but yourself, that’s the best you can do; as far as I am concerned or anybody else, by saying that, you are merely doing what religionists have always done, set the standards for everybody by imposing a universal morality which is why it has always attracted the kind of person who thinks other people’s private lives are their business when it is the busines of the one residing within you. Why do you refuse to acknowledge what Jesus said about the Father?
The Triune Godhead is the simplest thing to understand for me; it is the Father with you as Jesus said, the son as Jesus was and I am and the transcendent communicator between the two called the Spirit by the consciousness of thought. So I don’t take issue with the Triune, I just interpret it perfectly as I interpret all scriptures the same way that Jesus did. You are the one having issues because you will not accept what I say; what Jesus says.
You cannot understand the scripture because of your supernatural folly and superstitious belief system when Jesus operated on a knowledge system.
Frank let me give you a hint about interpretation by substituting one word using the old worn phrase that you quote over and over like a ritual fingerbeader from the od school of Buddha.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
What does “Word” mean Frank. Let’s just change that for a moment to:
“In the beginning was Language, Language was with God, and Language was God.”
Despite the conventional translation as “word”, it is not used for a word in the grammatical sense; instead, the term lexis (λέξις) was used. However, both logos and lexis derive from the same verb legō (λέγω), meaning “to count, tell, say, speak”. It was only religion that changed the Word from Language to mean a person which is no untypical of religious insanity. and you repeat it just like the ancient religionists without ever thinking about it at all. That’s called brainwashing.
How does a word get drafted by religion to mean something it was never intended to mean?
And so when you speak literally, in many cases, the supernatural of men must follow. And you got the diesease mixed up with life.
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March 8, 2015 at 11:06 pm
Of course he doesn’t fool anybody, and I already warned you about him. It’s a complete waste of valuable time to dialog with him because he’s incapable of constructing a logical argument. Leo is a troll, so please ignore him. I haven’t read his posts for a long time for I couldn’t care less what he thinks. After reading the first few “gems” of his, I had enough. Like a troll, he feeds off of people like you. Please just leave him alone.
Perhaps you are unaware that Jason Dulle, like me, is a Oneness Pentecostal. If by “Triune God” you mean the Trinity, then you’ll get strenuous objections from us; however, that’s not the topic of this thread.
Of course it’s your choice, but you’ll get nowhere fast with the likes of him. Try to interact with sensible posters, and that will perhaps get this blog back on track to being a place where intelligent conversations and debates can take place.
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March 9, 2015 at 6:51 am
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were as many secret atheists in the bible belt as there are secret homosexuals in Saudi Arabia. Well it’s just that with all the available women in that country safely under lock and key where they belong, all those poor studs can turn to is porn or each other. Let’s be realistic.
But both of these unfortunate groups, the secret atheists and the secret homosexuals, are victims of other people’s rigid interpretation of scripture because scripture gives us license, if we are that way inclined, to show the very worse of ourselves and to behave in ways we might otherwise be ashamed of if we had any decency about us.
There’s nothing you can’t read into it or take from it. So whatever nasty little attitude that you harbor toward your fellow man, will find justification in scripture because, like the sands of the desert, fixed and immutable, yet, ever shifting the words of god are infinitely versatile. Open that book and watch them dance across the page like ninjas, each one a soldier for you and your petty prejudices.
But don’t make the mistake of thinking you can blame scripture for your noxious opinions. You can seek refuge in it as many hypocrites do but you can’t hide behind it. Because scripture depends on interpretation, because it is so ambiguous, the way you choose to interpret it, reveals who you are in your heart, so in that sense it’s not a shield at all. It’s a spotlight that shows up an evil heart like an x-ray.
As with those hard line Saudi clerics for example, who take sadistic pleasure interpreting the Koran as cruelly as possible, they merely reveal themselves for the blood thirsty monsters that they are and advertise to the world the darkness in their petty little souls and their pitiful inadequacy as men.
Right now the Anglican Church is tearing itself apart because some people again have taken refuge in scripture as an excuse for prejudice against women and homosexuals. In any other walk of life in the civilized world this would be prosecuted as a crime. Because scripture legitimizes it, implying that it’s the result of profound reflection when in fact it’s just a grubby front for chauvinism and ignorance.
Which brings me back to the bible belt. Widely recognized of course as an area of outstanding natural stupidity, and with very good reason, especially when you consider the millions of dollars that have been spent in building creation museums. Just think of the psychotherapy that money could have paid for.
Creation musems are the latest symptom of the insanity to hit the United States and they are of course inspired 100 percent by scripture. At the moment they seem to be popping up like mushrooms in a spontaneous eruption of life ironically enough all over the land of the free and beyond, now.
These are places of education where Christian children can go to learn the truth, that their parents are morons and quite possibly insane. They learn that Adam and Eve, not only existed,
in all their Disney-like, fig-leaf, apple chomping way but they rode around the place on dinosaurs.
The dinosaurs of course died out eventually and well who could be surprised look at the company they had to keep. Although one dinosaur is still with us unfortunately. And that is creationism’s very own, Ignoramus Rex. A small brain creature with a hard outer shell, impervious to reason, feeds exclusively on scripture and its copious droppings have not only been used to build these museums but can serve as a useful metaphor for everything in them.
If you’ve got a head full of scripture then what you’ve got is a head full of ideas that have stopped growing; that’ll be a head full of dead ideas then. And you have no right to have those ideas respected or taken seriously. You’re simply not entitled to it and you’ve certainly got no business using them to tell other people how they should live their lives because you don’t know anything.
If patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel, scripture is the first refuge of the Ignoramus. You can study it for years without learning anything but you will end up with a lot to say for yourself. And it will all amount to the same thing: Talk to the scripture ’cause the brain ain’t listening.
Peace, especially to all the secret atheists and homosexuals, better days are coming. pcondell
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March 9, 2015 at 7:24 am
Scalia says:
“Try to interact with sensible posters, and that will perhaps get this blog back on track to being a place where intelligent conversations and debates can take place.”
Hi everyone, I’d like to thank all the angry, born again Christians who’ve been writing to tell me how much their looking forward to my eternal torment. It’s nice to know that I’m in your prayers. And you are rubbing your hands with gleeful anticipation too, some of you by the sounds of it, when you’re not furiously typing pages and pages of scripture. And yet, if I call you, crazy, apparently, I’m the one, who’s being offensive. It’s a funny old world isn’t it.
To be fair I do actually sympathize to some extent, I mean, it must be quite galling for religious people to see atheists like me going about their business without a shred of guilt or self loathing and not in the least inclined to pray or to do penance of any kind and not in the slightest bit worried about any form of eternal punishment.
I have to admit, if I was religious, I’d probably think to myself, well, how come I’ve got all this weight on my shoulders while these bums are getting a free ride. And I don’t even think I’d be comforted either as some of you clearly are by the prospect of their eternal torture in the flames of Hell, roasting in agony, and tormented by demons because I don’t really buy that scenario.
I believe that if god exists, I would like to meet her sometime.
I believe if you’ve got nothing but scripture between your ears, you’ve got nothing between your ears.
I believe that if the bible is the word of god and if the Koran is the word of god then god must have two words and I believe I can guess what they are as well.
But then I believe that you won’t find the truth in any book, you have to look within. I don’t know where that came from, I must have read it somewhere.
I think if Hell does exist, it’s probably not a place where you physically burn forever, but perhaps a metaphor, a mind meme, for something more subtle that consumes from “within”. Something like eternal regret perhaps, something not done, not challenged, not risked, not loved enough. Or maybe it’s just burning in fire, I don’t want to get heavy about it. I mean it’s bad enough that Jesus died for my sins, I still haven’t really gotten over that and thanks for reminding me about that yet again by the way.
I do feel somewhat guilty that I’m not more grateful to Jesus but I just wish he’d of taken the trouble to ask me before he went ahead with it because now I feel like I’m being billed for something that I didn’t order. And that really is the deal isn’t it? If you’re a Christian. You’re born already in debt, to Jesus, and it’s a debt that you can only repay, in full, by dying. Whew, that’s some deal you got yourself there. That’s like asking you to pay off a mortgage on a house that you already own.
Now I realize that as an angry Christian you probably pay lip service to those words but you don’t really believe them and so for you it doesn’t really happen and clearly it hasn’t happened otherwise you wouldn’t be so angry would you? Turn the other cheek, forgive trespasses, love your enemy, that’s a foreign language to you; no, you want punishment, don’t you? You want eternal torture, you want unimaginable suffering, for your own satisfaction.
If Jesus came back and he saw what people like you had made of his teachings, he’d quickly realize that nobody had listened to a word he said, that he was wasting his breath and that he’d wasted his life.
Religion is a lie and a threat to civilization. I think to engage dogma in debate is to legitimize it and to confer on it a status it simply doesn’t deserve. With its arrogant intrusiveness I think it long ago forfeited any claim it may have had to be treated with respect, too many liberties have already been taken. Religious dogma has been allowed to encroach on ground it has no right to occupy. And to claim authority where it has no authority to claim anything and I don’t think this is a matter for polite debate.
Especially when all you are going to get are the usual raft of glibly held but unexamined certainties hammered home like coffin nails at every opportunity because dogma is blind and deaf to anything that reason has to offer. Faith is non negotiable so where exactly is the intelligent conversations and debates Scalia.
You obey the rules of reason, religion ignores them and neutralizes your arguments even before you open your mouth. It’s not interested in anything you’ve got to say, it’s just waiting for you to draw breath so it can say, “..yes that’s all very well but you’ve still got to submit because it’s written, in this book…”
Right now in the UK some Christian fanatics are attempting to take out a prosecution for blasphemy against the producers of a popular comic opera. Now, the very idea of blasphemy, the idea that blasphemy even exists, as a concept, says it all for me about religion because what this really means is that some human beings have taken it upon themselves to feel insulted on God’s behalf . They don’t trust God to decide for himself whether to be insulted and deal with the matter in the appropriate way, on Judgment Day, No, no, they want to see punishment dished out right here on earth for there own satisfaction because it’s not really about God is it, it’s really about them and their personal mental illness. As it so often is when religion is exploited and misused by pig ignorant, narrow minded zealots. This is the same mentality that wants to compel us all to live in the past.
Now, the past has plenty to teach us but I don’t think it should be allowed to detain us against our will. Freedom from religion, from other peoples unprovable beliefs is our basic human right, at least I think it is. And some very determined people would like to take that right away from us and if we don’t do anything about that they’re going to be allowed to succeed. ISIS is right up front with it and that is exactly every religons’ goal.
Maybe you think the way to deal with this is to engage it in polite debate and to make all your little points and counter points and show us all what a clever person you are. and that would be great fun for you. And the good news is you don’t even have to worry about someone like me damaging your cause because you haven’t got a cause. What you’ve got is a hobby.
Religion is out of control right now precisely because too many people have been too diplomatic for too long. If we’d had the gonads to do some straight talking years ago when we should have and put this insulting nonsense in it’s rightful place, with astrology and palmistry we wouldn’t even been talking about this now. We’d be doing something more useful with our time; what a waste of an enlightenment.
So my position is pretty clear, believe whatever you want but if you want me to believe it, then provide evidence or expect mockery and ridicule. Do not expect polite debate. I am not trying to convert anyone to anything. I don’t care what anyone believes.
I am not interested in arguing about whether God exists or not, I couldn’t give a care; I want nothing to do with any God who would encourage murder on his behalf, which the God of the desert repeatedly does. In fact I’m ashamed and embarrassed to have been created by somebody with such moronic values which is why you’ll never hear me bragging about it.
So I’ll carry on giving his so called religion the verbal finger and you can carry on with your polite discourse and who knows maybe you’ll come to some amicable compromise where you only have to spend half your life on your knees. That might work for you.
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March 10, 2015 at 2:39 am
Of all the things mentioned on this thread, there is one that stood out that I can not pass up, Son of Man likened The Holy Spirit as unto memory.
This would mean God, and His spirit was nothing more than events to be interpreted by the beholder. This sounds more like Modal Realism than logical interpretation, and it is calling perception God. It is becoming a god in ones own mind. However, based on what I have read so far what reason to believe in the mind at all do we have if all I am is imprinted memories based on experiences. There are self refuting claims made here that should be addressed. Why is there so much anger here? So little reason, and what seems like judgement toward existence itself, as if God had some explaining to do. As for myself, I am the one who will have to give an account for myself to God. Embracing anger, and empiricism is an empty philosophy, hating religion, and clumping all beliefs as mental illness or religion as madness is unfair, and arrogant. Many people hold on to superstitions that I find absurd, yet and I can not deem them crazy simply because I find a comforting ritual they embrace silly.
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March 10, 2015 at 11:54 am
David Lewis:
Thank you for your comments. I appreciate everything you said; to the point and without malice and I thank you very much for your gentlemanly description. Now I know my answer will irk some posters because of its “rant” length as some often call it but your points demand an answer in the only way the Father requires me to fully respond. Some posters claim they do not even read my posts although they seem to know enough about what I stand for without reading, to complain about it.
It is true that some of the comments here embrace anger including some of mine in retort. Generally I try follow Proverbs 26:4 & 5; on the one hand do not answer a fool according to his folly lest you be like him; on the other hand, answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own eyes. Several attempts have been used to reconcile the anger of some posters but it flares yet again because my understanding conflicts with their own.
I have said that the Father, the Spirit of conscious thought and Memory about it, is within you, in your brain; it’s the only God that makes sense and I will elaborate a little further(maybe even a lot further)
The Ghost is Memory. Holy, being another word for Good, I call our memory therefore, the Good Spirit, Good Memory, the Holy Ghost; AKA, Good Gosh.
We deem it good because it is our internal savior by which experience, understanding and knowledge becomes the Discerning Man, the Wise Spirit.
Jesus referred to the Self Witness as, The Father that includes the brain The Internal Guide, the internal Companion within, that sees everything you do in secret. That my friend, is the Father and Holy Ghost housed in everyone; or, in other words, in the Sons/Daughters, S/HE.
The functional Memory is separate from the mechanical Brain but cannot be separated from the Brain anymore than the Brain with its Memory can be separated from S/he in whose body and life it plays a pivotal role. A Triune Godhead in oneness with humanity.
According to the simple Hindu legend…
Once upon a time human beings abused the divinity so much that Brahma decided to take it away and hide it. Brahma called the God Council. Bury it deep in the earth,said some. Others: In the deepest oceans; on the highest mountains. NO,they’ll dig, dive and climb the mountains to find it. We’ll hide it deep in the center of their own being. And since that time humans have been digging, diving, climbing, and exploring–searching for something already within themselves. Lk 17:21
Religion is a form of mental illness which is embraced by people using ritualisms imposed by religion, in days of old and even today, in some cases on pain of death as the demands for conversion are heard in the news daily. I don’t necessarily blame people for being indoctrinated by ritual cultism but I do blame them for becoming proselytes for the very indoctrination that has spawned their mindless convictions after being told about the truth by others; of particular note, Jesus himself.
This is what religion does to people: it tries to explain light and shadow, wind, haze, smoke and cloud, in terms of the supernatural. Religion is based purely on the hoaxes of supernatural myth, superstition and magic played to the reptile dysfunction of the primitive brain where it cannot discern the visual difference between the wind blowing a dead twig across the path and a twig, alive, running across the path, simply because it has movement. The reptile brain is stunted from evolving to the higher rational brain from ritual indoctrination whereby chants and prayers and finger beading by repetition creates a false impression that lies, repeated over and over often enough, make them true.
It is the reptile way; an inability to discern the movement, they ready themselves from fright for a fight or flight response that religion loves to use because ritual, non discernment and fear of the unknown resides in the reptile brain of mankind. The only way to conquer reptile supernaturalism is with the rational brain where knowledge, will set you free, because belief NEVER CAN.
Believing in a supernatural God is like believing in a hole in the bucket. You know that water will leak out of the hole you apparently see in the bucket but there is no hole in the bucket; what you think you see as a hole is really “nothing”, the “hole’ is an absence of a piece of the bucket that would otherwise cause it to be leakproof. We say, we “see” the hole for convenient communication but there is nothing of a “hole” to see; in that sense God is a hole in a person’s mind in the same way that satan is a hole in the mind, both are the essence of absence like darkness is the absence of light. Darkness has no existence by itself any more than a mirror that reflects your image; your image is not in the mirror, the image is a mirage, not there.
Jesus was not a doctor of theology who graduated with an expertise in the unknowable; Jesus was a person who operated with common sense from a knowledge base, premised on the principle that “All there is of Good is available to s/he who is available to all there is of Good”. And from that foundation he set the standard for his “coming out”.
Jesus despised the Church, despised Religion, despised ritualism, despised dogmatism and most especially despised the Clergy, calling them poisonous vipers. Jesus also incurred the Clergy-poisoned peoples’ wrath by debunking the institution of religious insanity based on supernaturalism: the “hole in the bucket”, God. (Luke 4:23-30.)
Now the Father within man is something considerably more than a mere bundle of experiences which phrase many people use to despoil the real truth and value of the brain and its powerful ability of memory.(All conceived concepts and understanding comes from the brain and not one single concept comes from anywhere else.) The brain is one’s constant companion from birth, the centre of all perceptive abilities and with a phenomenal capability of memory that is only and purely and totally the solitary guide for the good and protection of every single human being.
Jesus knew that that Father in him was the Father in everyone and the Father in everyone is the Guide for every human, if you let him. Having faith in the Good that resides within you is your just award; you just need to make the connection and understand the simplicity that is in you and that was in Jesus, because it is available to everyone who is available to what you already have.
All there is of Good is available to s/he who is available to all there is of Good. Just in case I said that too fast. You see, we are past masters at complicating the issue by neglecting to recognize the simplicity in just, “be-ing” human without the gobbly gook of magic, sleight of hand and the deception of being stuck in the “hole” concept.
Revisionist biblical historians include erroneous claims that Jesus claimed he was God but that’s not true. While he alluded to the Father within occasionally, some infer he was talking about himself but Jesus referred to himself, and not himself exclusively, as the (Son) Son of Man. Jesus also referred only to the self witness within, in most of the three Gospels Matthew, Mark & Luke as the Father; that was the God he called his Father, that guided him, that he followed, and that he credited the Father with everything he ever did and said, not the supernatural gods created by men in every generation before him and after him but very few Christians today understand what Jesus was talking about because religion hijacked Jesus to stay the line of the supernaturalism, the “Hole in the Bucket” that is naught.
John 5:41-44: ”I’m not interested in crowd approval. And do you know why? Because I know you and your crowds. I know that love, especially the Father’s love, is not on your working agenda. I came with the authority of my Father, and you either dismiss me or avoid me. If another came, acting self-important, you would welcome him with open arms. How do you expect to get anywhere with the Father when you spend all your time jockeying for position with each other, ranking your rivals and ignoring the Father?
John 12:42-43 On the other hand, a considerable number from the ranks of the leaders did believe. But because of the Pharisees, they didn’t come out in the open with it. They were afraid of getting kicked out of the meeting place. When push came to shove they cared more for human approval than for the Father’s glory.
Remember Jesus never had the New Testament Bible, not because he didn’t like it, he just never had it. The only bible Jesus ever had in his hand was the Old Testament scriptures but when Jesus read and explained the scriptures, EVERYONE was on the edge of his seat wondering what A-MAZING thing he would say next because he taught them as one having authority, not like the Scribes and Pharisees or preachers on Religious Blogs and YouTube.
When the preachers got up to speak everyone curled up and went for a quiet doze waking up for the benediction; and preferably, just after the Offering.
Jesus and I and the Father are one, and that is one of the simplest things to understand, and easy to him who has understanding. Has nothing to do with ego, has nothing to do with blasphemy, it has only to do with your understanding that Jesus knew he was a microcosom of the whole human race by simply looking inside himself to see the “Father” there, playing the role of Conscience, the Self Witness, the Good Guide, Good Gosh, Holy Spirit, Memory in harmony with the brain through a bundle of sensory experiences bringing to mind only things that would help, benefit, warn, please, prevent or direct us(the Son(s) and that is the role of Father. Performing only those things that “please you” you cannot help but follow that guiding light, discerning good and evil, right and wrong and doing what is right, always, pleasing him, doing the Father’s will….to your own personal benefit. The Father is only there to guide you and using that guide pleases him and benefits you.
The Bucket, you must understand, you will never “see” because the “Hole” you are looking for isn’t there! And never was since the beginning of time.
Get out of the Hole and into the bucket! That was Jesus’ message; the light of the world and the world received it not because it preferred the religious “Hole”.
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July 9, 2015 at 8:38 am
So if a man continues to sin willfully and deliberatley, knowing its sin and does in fact feel bad for sinning but just can’t seem to stop the sin and he dies still having this certain sin a part of his life will this man be forgiven and lose his salvation and be sent to heaven?
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July 9, 2015 at 11:46 am
First of all nobody is sent to heaven that is a religious myth. Heaven is not a place you can go to; Heaven starts and ends in the mind of man. The Kingdom of heaven is within you according to Jesus, you job is to bring heaven out in the open where it can be seen and enjoyed for the benefit and service for others , yourself included in the mix.
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July 9, 2015 at 7:37 pm
Daniel 7:13-14, 27
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July 9, 2015 at 7:55 pm
Nobody cares.
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July 9, 2015 at 8:15 pm
You cared enough to respond.
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July 30, 2015 at 12:57 pm
For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. (2 Peter 2:21)
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December 30, 2016 at 8:45 pm
Does God forgive me if I can’t stop watching and masturbating to all the porn on the internet .? I don’t want to but seem to be pulled to every time. I’m so ashamed to say that I’m a Christian. I hate what I do.
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December 31, 2016 at 9:22 am
Richard Johnson:
There is no need for forgiveness for the design that God whose name is “Evolution” provided you. Every life form on earth is governed by the life forces of design. There is no shame in natural functions of the body anymore than it is to go to the toilet. However, there are times when discipline is the better part of impulse.
Think of it this way: There can be no shame because you are subject to the effects of gravity; except, perhaps if while skiing or swimming you defy the “Out Of Bounds” warning signs and again; just maybe, if you jump out of a plane without a parachute unless you are a bird.
So pull yourself together although beware of other people who make up “Laws” and then demand you follow what they say about the matter; there are those who speak mightily from the pulpit but gravity makes them fall too. Take solace from three of my world renown quotes, simple yet famous by the simplicity of the axiom are:
“Gravity like the caricature concept of god, loves no man more or less the man who defies it not and loves no more or less the man who does.” ltg
“Never pray to gravity, the universe or supernatural gods for forgiveness; none respond to human requests for intervention.” ltg
“Pulpit People Pray for Pretense” ltg Jesus said that quote in nother ways; he said: “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long (winded) prayers;…..”
AND
“And when You pray, be not as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men…..”: and “….do not use vain repetitions like them…..they think they will be heard by their much speaking” ——–meditate in your own mind and when you have closed the door of your mind-closet to the cares, riches and pleasures of the world, meditate secretly on what the will in heaven convinces you of and let that will be done on earth by you, as you perceive the will in heaven to be and it will be revealed to you; if you ask it will be given, if you knock it will open and if you seek you will find because the will is already there for you to find in your own mind; aka, heaven within you. (Lk 17:21)
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December 31, 2016 at 5:15 pm
Hi Richard.
Will God forgive you? Yes. As I noted in the article, however, the danger is not that God will not forgive when you ask Him to, but that you will stop asking God to forgive you because your heart will become hardened by your sin.
I understand why you feel guilty for it. You should feel guilty. Guilt is a feeling God put in us to inform us when we have done wrong. it’s meant to bring us to repentance. That doesn’t just mean just confessing one’s wrong, but ultimately turning away from it.
You can stop doing what you are doing. It may be hard because habits die hard. But you need to decide what you love more: God or porn. Ultimately, what you love more will win out in the end.
You can do this. I would suggest finding a mature brother in Christ to confess your sin to, and ask him to make you accountable. It may help to set up a filter on your internet that prohibits you from accessing porn, and only our accountability partner will have the password. Also, try to avoid situations that make you crave porn and situations that make it easy for you to access it.
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January 3, 2017 at 3:13 pm
TR wrote, “If we repent, God will forgive us (1 John 1:7,9).” Indeed this is the truth for Messiah tells us, “Repent, and believe in the gospel.” (Mark 1:14-15) In post # 3. I considered this from a positive aspect. Here are two instances from Scripture that examine how God deals with sin from the negative aspect. These Scriptures also refute the contention that “all will be saved”.
In the Old Testament Isaiah presents prophecy of what shall take place at Messiah Yahshua’s Second Coming when He shall serve God as Righteous Almighty Judge of the entire world. It speaks of how Jesus/Yahshua shall work in the wine press. Isaiah uses the metaphor of Messiah trampling through the grapes of wrath to convey the message of God’s righteous judgment against unregenerate sinners at the end of the age. Isaiah also tells us of a redeemed remnant that shall be preserved by God’s lovingkindness by recounting how the Angel of His Presence saved the remnant during the Exodus from Egypt.
Isaiah 63
63:1
Who is this who comes from Edom,
With garments of glowing colors from Bozrah,
This One who is majestic in His apparel,
Marching in the greatness of His strength?
“It is I who speak in righteousness, mighty to save.”
2
Why is Your apparel red,
And Your garments like the one who treads in the wine press?
3
“I have trodden the wine trough alone,
And from the peoples there was no man with Me.
I also trod them in My anger
And trampled them in My wrath;
And their lifeblood is sprinkled on My garments,
And I stained all My raiment.
4
“For the day of vengeance was in My heart,
And My year of redemption has come.
5
“I looked, and there was no one to help,
And I was astonished and there was no one to uphold;
So My own arm brought salvation to Me,
And My wrath upheld Me.
6
“I trod down the peoples in My anger
And made them drunk in My wrath,
And I poured out their lifeblood on the earth.”
7
I shall make mention of the lovingkindnesses of the LORD, the praises of the LORD,
According to all that the LORD has granted us,
And the great goodness toward the house of Israel,
Which He has granted them according to His compassion
And according to the abundance of His lovingkindnesses.
8
For He said, “Surely, they are My people,
Sons who will not deal falsely.”
So He became their Savior.
9
In all their affliction He was afflicted,
And the angel of His presence saved them;
In His love and in His mercy He redeemed them,
And He lifted them and carried them all the days of old.
10
But they rebelled
And grieved His Holy Spirit;
Therefore He turned Himself to become their enemy,
He fought against them.
11
Then His people remembered the days of old, of Moses.
Where is He who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of His flock?
Where is He who put His Holy Spirit in the midst of them,
12
Who caused His glorious arm to go at the right hand of Moses,
Who divided the waters before them to make for Himself an everlasting name,
13
Who led them through the depths?
Like the horse in the wilderness, they did not stumble;
14
As the cattle which go down into the valley,
The Spirit of the LORD gave them rest.
So You led Your people,
To make for Yourself a glorious name.
15
Look down from heaven and see from Your holy and glorious habitation;
Where are Your zeal and Your mighty deeds?
The stirrings of Your heart and Your compassion are restrained toward me.
16
For You are our Father, though Abraham does not know us
And Israel does not recognize us.
You, O LORD, are our Father,
Our Redeemer from of old is Your name.
17
Why, O LORD, do You cause us to stray from Your ways
And harden our heart from fearing You?
Return for the sake of Your servants, the tribes of Your heritage.
18
Your holy people possessed Your sanctuary for a little while,
Our adversaries have trodden it down.
19
We have become like those over whom You have never ruled,
Like those who were not called by Your name.
In the New Testament Peter warns Messiah’s disciples against deceptions & the lusts of the flesh/world and how it’s possible to turn from Him Who saves us even after having known Him then what shall be the end result.:
2 Peter 2
2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.
2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;
3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment;
5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly;
6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter;
7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men
8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds),
9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment,
10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority.
Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties,
11 whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord.
12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed,
13 suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you,
14 having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children;
15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.
17 These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved.
18 For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error,
19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved.
20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”
But even in the darkest hour there is always hope, “Behold, an hour is coming, and has already come, for you to be scattered, each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me. These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.” (John 16:32-33)
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January 3, 2017 at 6:02 pm
Sweet FA:
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Even scriptures sound like vomited conspiracy leftovers coming from you or rather from your many posts about conspiracies and other ridiculous gossips. Do you think any of your gossip can be relied upon to contain anything but rubbish? Don’t kid yourself.
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January 3, 2017 at 6:07 pm
Like a knot in every tree, ad nauseam.
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November 19, 2017 at 12:28 am
I am afraid I have done this, in part, by returning to Mosaic Law. If I will be tried by the Law for this then may I make a Sin Offering? Like.. No joke.. I am willing to sacrifice a bull since I will be judged by the covenant I returned to. I fear God is mad at me either way. But I would do it if I could regain God’s favor and then let Jesus’ blood pardon me from then on, no longer sinning. I am really messed up! I am in fear for the fiery judgment!!
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November 19, 2017 at 9:44 am
Cana Kellogg:
Here is an example of the Law(man’s penalty) and Grace(Internal reward)
There is a Law in my country that requires all drivers)with some exceptions; i.e., taxi drivers, paramedics police firefighters(first responders).
If you are “caught” without a seatbelt you are ticketed and must pay a monetary fine that may escalate to suspension of lost of drivers license.
This law never ever concerns me; you know why…because wearing a seatbelt is common sense and reasonable and I wear my seatbelt in a vehicle whether I am the driver or not.
To me fastening a seatbelt is like putting my pants on before I go out. When I jump in the vehicle I close the door and get “dressed” with the seatbelt.
That is an example of being under grace (common sense, reason, logic) or under the law (not so much as defiance or disobedience to the law as it is lacking or paying little or no mind, to your brain’s own common sense and reason, where the spirit of discernment, discretion, reason, good and the spirit of grace resides)
May the force of grace be with you but remember it is only within those persons who by practice are raised up (raise themselves up) in the discernment of good and evil, reason and unreason by choosing your weapons…………..that will inevitably help you or hurt you.
Here is another example, in very down to earth terms.
An old Grandfather said to his grandson, who came to him with anger at a friend who had done him an injustice… “Let me tell you a story.”
“I too, at times, have felt great hate for those who have taken so much, with no sorrow for what they do. But hate wears you down, and does not hurt your enemy. It’s like taking poison and wishing your enemy would die. I have struggled with these feelings many times. ”
“It is as if there are two wolves inside me; one is good and does no harm. He lives in harmony with all around him and does not take offense when no offense was intended. He will only fight when it is right to do so, and in the right way.”
“But…the other wolf… ah! The littlest thing will send him into a fit of temper. He fights everyone, all of the time, for no reason. He cannot think because his anger and hate are so great. It is helpless anger, for his anger will change nothing.”
“Sometimes it is hard to live with these two wolves inside me, for both of them try to dominate my spirit.”
The boy looked intently into his Grandfather’s eyes and asked, “Which one wins, Grandfather ?”
The Grandfather smiled and quietly said, “The one I feed.”
This is not unique to yourself, the battle is between two “wolves” inside us all.
One is Evil. It is anger, envy, jealousy, sorrow, regret, greed, arrogance, self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false pride, superiority, and ego.
The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, kindness, benevolence, empathy, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.”
Feed the wolf you want to reign supreme and you’ll be just fine.
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November 19, 2017 at 10:59 am
Thanks.. What I dislike most of all is any feeling of mockery, bitterness and at times maybe even hatred toward God for the things that seem unfair. Either I am for Him or I am against Him and lately I have swung back and forth between the two, mostly because of thoughts that He has rejected me already. I am striving to Love Him with my whole self in spite of this. Be in prayer for me that those negative things get cast out in the Name of Jesus! Thank you.
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December 17, 2017 at 1:20 pm
“Thus we can understand that, ever since the advent of Jesus Christ, Satanism has waged a perpetual war to
prevent God’s children on this earth from putting God’s plan for the rule of the entire universe into operation
upon this earth. By preventing us putting God’s plan into effect; and by preventing us living “The way of life”
as taught to us by Christ, and summarized in the words of “The Lord’s Prayer,” Satanism prevents the masses
from doing God’s Will on earth as it is done in Heaven.
This brings us to the interpretation of the Lord’s Prayer. The preamble and middle require no explanation but
the words, “And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil,” most certainly do. How can we conceive
that God would “LEAD” the members of the human race into temptation? He may, and undoubtedly does,
permit us to be tempted by those who direct or serve Satanism. The Scriptures tell us God will not permit us to
be tempted beyond our powers of resistance. Thus temptation enables us to PROVE whether we are “For” or
“Against” God.
I have, as the vast majority of Christians have also done, repeated the Lord’s Prayer daily since I could talk.
But I never studied the words until I was on the flat of my back with a fractured spine in 1943. As the result of
studying the words in their relation to Satanism, and the W.R.M. (World Revolutionary Movement), I reached the conclusion that the words would
have had a better relationship had the interpretation into English been “And let us not be led into temptation; but
deliver us from the Evil One (Satan).” I was pleased to discover, long afterwards, that the Greek fathers of early
Christianity; the ancient Roman fathers; and several liturgies were strongly in favour of the masculine rather
than the neutral use of the words “A malo.” The importance of this question is to be found in the FACT that if
we should be saying “But deliver us from the Evil One (Satan) it would automatically mean that Christ
considered Satanism the author of ALL temptation and all the evil (sin) we can commit and, at the same time, be
the director of all the evils we can be made to suffer as a means of weaning us away from Faith in God.
These thoughts caused me to do further research, and I found in the New Testament, and in the texts of the
“Desert Fathers,” that Satan, and those of the Synagogue of Satan, exercise a general direction or
superintendence over ALL the evil, temporal, and spiritual, which is committed, or experienced, in this world.
In support of this very interesting revelation-as far as the W.R.M. (World Revolutionary Movement) is concerned we find that “He that committeth
sin is of the devil” (1 John III. 8) and according to the Gospels and Epistles of St. John and St. Paul, it is Satan’s
empire Christ came to overthrow, and Satan and his agents (agenturs) are the root and cause of all evil, both
spiritual and temporal, which ravages humanity. Much nearer our own time St. Augustine supports this line of
reasoning when he likens what is going on in the world to “The city of sin, the devil, born as the result of the
rejection of God (by our first parents) as being in eternal opposition to the “City of God.” St. Thomas doesn’t
entirely agree with this definite and exact interpretation so, as happens so often, it is just another case of
everybody to their own liking.
But, when we study the W.R.M. in its relationship to Satanism as being practiced on this earth, it is
important to remember that if Satan, or his agents in human form, can and do influence the decisions of
individuals so they commit sin, it stands to reason that individual human beings so influenced can and do extend
Satan’s power for evil over the collective. Thus I found my reasoning to be based on a sound premise when I
stated in Pawns in the Game and The Red Fog Over America that individuals who knowingly or unintentionally
serve the cause of Satanism are responsible for stirring up dissensions which enable them to divide the masses
into opposing camps on political, racial, social, economic, religious, and other issues, in order that they can then
be armed and made to fight wars and revolutions, on an ever increasing scale, so that, if this destructive policy is
permitted to continue, it must lead to the final destruction of ALL forms of remaining governments and
religions, and thus leave the field wide open for those who constitute the Synagogue of Satan, to impose the
Luciferian totalitarian dictatorship upon what remains of the human race.”
~ SATANISM BEFORE AND AFTER THE ADVENT OF CHRIST pp.36-37 |
SATAN, PRINCE OF THIS WORLD By William Guy Carr, R.D. Commander R.C.N. (R)
https://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books,%20Tracts%20&%20Preaching/Printed%20Books/satan_prince_of_this_world.pdf | [There are no coincidences, only Acts of God. +++]
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May 24, 2018 at 7:07 am
thanks alot for the massage. But I have a problem only Jesus Christ can save me because I need Him more than anything else.
Thanks so much for your service
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May 28, 2018 at 12:11 am
Can somebody that as eaten Church money before be forgiven if he repent from it and turn away from it
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May 28, 2018 at 10:47 am
John o:
If repentance is the cause, forgiveness is the effect. There are only two sources of forgiveness, self forgiveness and people forgiveness; there are no other forgivenesses to be had.
However, can you provide an example of eating church money; say, compared to eating wage money, or lottery money, laundered money, bank money, borrowed money, stolen money, blackmail money, prostitution money, drug money, gambling money, lost & found money, counterfeit money.
Now about this “eaten” money, eaten must be a metaphor for something else so maybe you can explain what you mean by “eaten”, would that be pilfered, squandered, spent, saved, banked, robbed, consumed, wasted? Not that it matters really because money is one of the beasts written about in Revelation, that’s the beast you cannot buy or sell without having…….so far so good?
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July 25, 2018 at 12:00 pm
I find myself doing just that I hate myself for these repetitive sex sins. I ask for forgiveness then do it again I am miserable and fear God won’t forgive me, I have asked him to but feel empty inside. Am l saved?
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July 25, 2018 at 5:59 pm
Robin:
Did you ever hear of common sense?
Well, tell me this.
What Higher Powers would give you the ability of common sense and then convict you of sin for using the ability given?
Extrapolate that to other abilities one inherits by birth. It’s not the Higher Powers that make the laws that humans transgress; it’s man that makes laws for humans that humans transgress and it is man that tells you that the transgression of man’s law is sin.
Don’t worry about any sins, repetitive or otherwise when you exercise the abilities given by the higher powers but worry about going against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places for they are the makers of laws and makers of penalties for transgressing their laws, not God.s, not Evolution’s, Not Higher Power’s.
As far as sexuality is concerned and the exercise thereof it was man who made the laws to govern sexual sins.
As noted in a previous post: although it was not only religious men of Christianity and their Church empires but Christianity post CE, has led the parade, with its heartfelt resentment against life, that first made something UNCLEAN OF SEXUALITY: it threw FILTH on the origin, on the ESSENTIAL FACT OF OUT LIFE. neitzsche
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October 30, 2018 at 4:03 am
This is my only hope, I committed a sin intentionally (not repetitive) my heart was broken and I have been on my face in tears before God. My sin was a response to someone else’s sin but it wasn’t right. The ONLY hope that I have is the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for me. Literally there is no other way. I thank God for his grace because I don’t see things the way that they can be seen. And it is hard to stand in repentance in front of other Christians when you know that they may have a self righteous attitude directed at you, and that hate can pierce and wound so very easily.
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October 30, 2018 at 11:08 am
BarahonaSarai:
GUILT TRIPPING:
Your lamentation consists of five points; each to be touched addressed accordingly.
Advice is rarely useful to others; primarily, because experiential arrays are as distinct as fingerprints and each person speaks from, to and about the parameters within personal perspective, within their purview; as the saying goes, “beyond my pay grade”; in other words, the range or limit of vision and understanding; above or beyond one’s skill, knowledge, ability, or willingness to participate.
1./ This is my only hope
……THIS statement is self defeating. Why? Hope is akin to belief as belief is akin to lack of knowledge. Therefore the knowledge one has available is oftentimes the best remedy needed to make critical decisions. The more knowledge one has, the better equipped one is to make better decisions so as to acquire better understanding: what to do and how to think to obtain essential understanding for the peace of mind you seem to seek.
I committed a sin intentionally (not repetitive) my heart was broken and I have been on my face in tears before God. My sin was a response to someone else’s sin but it wasn’t right
………SHAME is a natural internal response when one is self convicted when one has done a perceived wrong either by the values within you or values others have placed upon you for purposes of laying on the burden of the guilt trip. Generally when one acts because of the sin of others or acquiesced by tacit consent, it is usually for material/monetary gain or sexuality. Like the biblical beguiled by the serpent, tempted by the woman or overwhelming desire of the man. And leads me to address the next and most important issue about sin. Sin like beauty and all things perceived, is in the eye of the beholder. So be careful of self conviction and be aware of self forgiveness. Self forgiveness is stronger than self conviction because absolution is much more powerful than the sin it absolves. Absolution and Forgiveness, whether self forgiveness or neighborly forgiveness, is King of sin. Remember this: Sin is always a Subject, never a Prince.
The ONLY hope that I have is the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross for me. Literally there is no other way
………THIS is wrong projection, absolutely. Jesus was not sacrificed on the cross for you or for anybody. This is Church Dogma designed to lay the burden of guilt on its congregation so that the congregation members will be beholden to the Clerics who assume the role and appoint themselves or become appointed by a Diploma, Messengers of Deity; do not be duped by this deceit that is made so for pence and power. If you want to know why Jesus was made sacrifice on the cross read the words from Jesus himself who tells everybody what he did and why therefore he was a target, and please it was not for your sins or my sins or the sins of anybody on this planet except for the sins of those clerics who wanted to destroy him. First read this startling fact that Jesus claimed in John chapter 7 the very first verse; John 7:1 “After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.” and these things Jesu referred again in John chapter 7 verse 7, John 7:7, The (religious) world cannot hate you; but me it hates, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.” Historically the Church has always neglected these two verses of Jesus and rarely mention the “…things…” that Jesus referred to in the phrase, “After these ‘things’…….”? The entire Chapter 23 in the Gospel of Matthew: Matt 23:1-39 lists those “things”; the reasons. Why Jesus was sacrificed on the cross was because Jesus testified against the Religious leaders in particular and the Church in general: “….that the works thereof are evil.”
I thank God for his grace because I don’t see things the way that they can be seen
………I CANNOT understand what you are trying to say here. If you “….don’t see things the way that they can be seen….” then what are you thankful for?
And it is hard to stand in repentance in front of other Christians when you know that they may have a self righteous attitude directed at you, and that hate can pierce and wound so very easily.
……………SHAME is intense from the self righteous who accuse others especially if others have done nothing wrong; this kind of shame can be even stronger than if you actually did something wrong because false accusations allows no recourse; you cannot seek for or plead forgiveness because you did nothing wrong in the first place but because you did nothing wrong and still nevertheless stand accused, the accusers would have absolutely no desire to forgive you anyway. If on the other hand you actually did something wrong it would be practically impossible to confess to the self righteous for you know in your heart they will deny you the very forgiveness they themselves expect to receive for their own wrong doings.
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December 7, 2018 at 9:06 am
god already forgave us when he died on the cross for are sins
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December 7, 2018 at 2:21 pm
Makayla Hunt:
By the time Jesus was born there was little semblance of the old days of Abrahamic innocence, righteousness and goodness. Even in Abraham’s day there was a developing trend of the attitude of dog eat dog, every man for himself and get while the getting’s good.
So when Jesus was born, Goodness, like the grains of sand with few grains remaining, the top hour glass goodness grains was the diminishing trend which prompted Abraham to remark on the coming day of the Son of Man to set the world straight.
The poor, the downtrodden and the disabled were rejected by the religious zealots; they could care less for the masses. The Cleric position was clear, all those afflicted by poverty, sickness, the common person were so afflicted because of sin.
Neither you Makayla nor anybody else on the planet today was alive so what sins did you need forgiveness for when Jesus walked this earth? None. You’re just preaching church dogma but here’s something you should understand.
The church powers in Jesus day were themselves drenched in sin like the rest of man kind, drenched in hypocrisy. thievery, money groveling. The religious church leaders were a bunch of hateful, greedy murderers that used the masses as their footstool to exercise draconian laws of death against anybody who dared speak against their vanity and ego. The God of their worship was money, ego, secret sex, power and the death drumbeat of demonic dictators. Their God was a charlatan and their power of the messenger was as mythical as the god they catered to which was their own interest living the life of royal wealth.
That was the driving drivel of society that Jesus born into, grew up into and Jesus, being a man of righteousness and honor and goodness. made it his mission to begin a campaign to lobby against the cauldron froth of pervasive evil sin and the religious world was where the campaign must begin by holding those in power accountable because that’s where the masses looked to for role models.
Now why was Jesus crucified and for whose sins did he suffer shame, torture and the results of pervasive sin out of control? It was the sins of the world of the time period into which he was born that had reached such desolate chaos, he could no other than to preach against the powers who became the epitome of the leaders the rest of the crown followed into the cauldron of a hell on earth.
Jesus wanted to fix it and so he laid his life on the line knowing full well that he would be hated for it by the rich and wealthy, the rulers in high places. He wasn’t concerned about you and your indoctrinated ways; he was concerned with the time that he lived in and for the future to succeed otherwise, an intervention was needed and when he went into the desert to meditate on the what he should do, how he should do it and what would occur as he attempted to prevail for a more perfect union for humanity against the falsehood sham of religious cares, riches and pleasures, which as part of the whole package of the human experience as part of man’s design without neglecting the weightier things of the law which humanity needs, matters of justice, mercy, compassion, empathy, kindness, forgiveness, service to the sick, the infirm, the disabled, the blind, downtrodden and uneducated poor—–love.
For these reasons did Jesus put his life on the line integrity, honor, forgiveness and for which he told his brothers: “……The world cannot hate you; but me it hates, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil.” John 7:7
and for these reasons did he know he had to hide and be careful of the religious leaders as noted in John 7:1 “….After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.”
So please do not treat Jesus life and message so nonchalantly with a simple phrase that without context is meaningless.
To expose the sinners of his day Jesus made himself everything they were not and if that’s what it took to open the eyes of the world then that’s they way it had to be; that’s why Christ lived and that why Christ was crucified, to show the future kids like yourself that living for a cause is more worthy than dying for a cause but you need to understand that corruption in all its ugly forms is never uglier than when good people pay heavily to expose the evil that lurks in the dark recesses of everybody’s mind and RULES if you let it; if you don’t speak up for the good in humanity. On the other hand there also lives in the recesses of the mind heavenly wonders of righteousness and goodness and if you let it loose, you let all Good loose. Jesus showed the heavenly by his life and the ugly of the other side was shown by the evil side that allowed the evil to take control. In his dominion you can rejoice, in the other dominion not so much.
Of course you need to forgive yourself; Jesus life message shows you why and how and what to do.
“….god already forgave us when he died on the cross for are sins…..” just doesn’t cut the mustard.
If you forgive yourself, the father is quick to accept it. but it starts with you. Don’t be complacent and think God is going to do it, God can’t do anything if you are not willing within yourself. Think of forgiveness as a lake and you are a horse…Did you every hear the saying: “You can take a horse to water but you can’t make him drink”? The horse needs to have thirst to drink forgivness. and the lake awaits only you.
All there is of Good is available to s/he who is available to all there is of Good.
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March 28, 2019 at 1:12 pm
My Lord, my God. Thank you for the gift of my life.
I truly appreciate this platform.
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May 15, 2019 at 9:59 am
What can one do to over continuous intentional sexual sin
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May 15, 2019 at 4:14 pm
They can choose to stop it. I know that sounds stupid, but all sin is a choice. When we sin, it’s because our desire for sin is greater than our desire to please God. Please read my post at https://theosophical.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/struggling-with-sin/. I would add to this, however, that we can do some practical things to make it more difficult for us to sin. For example, if pornography is the issue, you can get a filter installed and give the password to that filter to someone else. If it’s sex with a real person that’s an issue, you need to agree to never be alone together or break up. You could also have an accountability partner to keep you accountable.
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August 5, 2019 at 1:18 am
I really needed to read this. Thank you for a very clear response to my question on habitual sinning. Very well written and thought provoking. God bless you.
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October 5, 2019 at 8:11 am
I know that im a sinner and i have accepted jesus as my savior.i value my salvation dearly.i realize that im gonna sin.jesus said those without sin cast the first stone.but there are those times when i realy try hard not to do certain things and i know god is helping me in my efforts but there are times that the flesh gets the best and knowing that it is wronh and already i know that im going to give in. Isnd talk about a separation from god is felt and being a christian it does feel shameful.then there are things that are realy easy to over come.i do repent and i know im forgiven.i realize its not a lisence to sin but i am so glad that if we do that the advocate we have with god is like no other.i ran across this siye out of the blue.and the explanation is the best i have discvered.thanks.
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March 27, 2020 at 5:05 pm
It’s not correct, there are unintentional sins, mentioned in Leviticus..
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March 27, 2020 at 5:10 pm
Leviticus 5
17 “If anyone sins, doing any of the things that by the LORD’s commandments ought not to be done, though he did not know it, then realizes his guilt, he shall bear his iniquity. 18 He shall bring to the priest a ram without blemish out of the flock, or its equivalent, for a guilt offering, and the priest shall make atonement for him for the mistake that he made unintentionally, and he shall be forgiven. 19 It is a guilt offering; he has indeed incurred guilt before the LORD.
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September 9, 2020 at 9:51 am
What about the unpardonable sin? What about mortal sin? What was Jesus saying to the sinners when he said go and sin no more less something more terrible come upon you. So when Moses was told by God to put the blasphemer to death that blasphemy against God is no longer an unforgivable offense? Jesus spoke of forgiving any sin done to him but that he is not a mediator for one who sins against the holy spirit (God). Is not God sovereign over all including Jesus? Was Paul giving up all hope for those who were crucifying Jesus all over again? Or am I in some way intruding upon the Trinitarians?
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September 9, 2020 at 12:41 pm
John, I mention the unpardonable sin in footnote 2. And I’m not claiming that sin doesn’t have consequences. Even forgiven sins can have consequences.
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September 10, 2020 at 10:24 am
I believe that only a fool would dare say what God can and cannot do. God can confound our reasoning to the point that even we will not know what we are talking about. As scripture says Surely I am too stupid to be human. I do not have earthly understanding. I have not learned wisdom, nor have I knowledge of the holy ones. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. Jeremiah 51. 17b reads Everyone is stupid and without knowledge. Job 11.12 reads But a stupid person will get understanding when a wild ass is born human.
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September 10, 2020 at 12:33 pm
Do you deny that sin involves an act of our will, and thus is intentional? Do you deny that God forgives sin? If not, then what is your argument?
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September 10, 2020 at 1:39 pm
The words you are using to respond to me are words the Supreme Being (The I Am) is placing in your mouth. He is delighting in our give and take knowing that neither one of us knows what we are talking about. Your questions assume that I have some knowledge that will allow me to answer your questions. I have no earthly knowledge that I care to espouse upon. I am too stupid to be human and I have no earthly wisdom. I do believe that the Holy Spirit provides me with the Godly Wisdom I need to keep me on the christian Way. What I have said to you is spiritual and if you are spirit filled with spiritual wisdom you should have Heard my spiritual answer and it should have sufficed for you.
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February 14, 2021 at 12:46 pm
Seeking God’s forgiveness is not as important as forgiving others, according to Jesus.
Holding someone accountable or desire retribution or recompense for a slight against you will prompt God to hold you accountable against Him in exactly the same way.
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February 15, 2021 at 10:36 am
Jesus will forgive all sins because that is why GOD sent Him. There is no sin for which Jesus will not forgive. Sins committed against GOD however will not be forgiven and there is no mediator for people who commit sins against GOD. However, since all will be held accountable to GOD for sins committed against Him, Heaven and earth, and since He is Merciful, only he can remediate their sins. Among sins which are unforgivable you can include Blasphemy, Murder, and mortal sin which is tantamount to murder. Man can forgive these sins but in the end all will be held accountable to God for such sins but available for His mercy.
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February 16, 2021 at 12:02 pm
Hm, that sounds fishy to me. I don’t see the difference. Any transgression against the law breaks the whole law, and lusting after someone is the same as adultery. And when David took Bathsheba, he did say his crime really was against God more than anyome else.
It looks to me like all sins are against God, all are forgiven of God the same way, and all forgiveness is dispensed and withheld in the same way. The only one that isn’t is, according to Jesus, sh**-talking or slandering the Holy Spirit, which isn’t very clear what he meant.
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February 17, 2021 at 10:16 am
Your comments reflect what you have seen, heard, and read from man and the world. Are you really being taught by the Holy Spirit whom Jesus said He would send to us and who would explain all things. The Holy Spirit speaks the words of god and Jesus is the Word. The Word of God was spoken first and He still speaks to me. They are living words and God is still alive and actively at work in the world today. Then came the written word which is still misunderstood to this day and continues to be misinterpreted by those who should know better. Underneath the written words are God’s own words which the Holy Spirit makes known to all whose eyes have truly been opened by Jesus the Christ. When you talk scripture ask whether or not you are referencing the Words of God or the teaching of men and scriptural writers. How can you know if someone is spiritual? You cannot if you are not a spiritual person. Be in the spirit when you comment on spiritual things. By the way, when you sin against God you sin against all His creation. Are you aware that when God finished creating the heavens and earth on the seventh day that not only did He rest but all creation on earth and in heaven rested on the same day. Want to guess where I get this from? I guarantee you it will not be found WRITTEN in Genesis chapters one and two
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February 19, 2021 at 9:59 am
On the question of whether or not God will forgive intentional sin. Read your scriptures please! The scriptures Jesus taught from. It is written! Find it! For every sin man (and by man I mean mankind which includes women) commits he will be held ACCOUNTABLE to God. Man will be given the opportunity to explain to God why he committed sins including murder which is a capital offense in the eyes of God. God, in His infinite mercy will decide the final punishment. Sin is an offense against God (a much better answer to me than “missing the mark”). Man can alter or modify God’s laws all he wants but God is the ultimate decision maker.
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May 2, 2021 at 4:01 pm
Jesus saves.
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October 25, 2021 at 6:00 am
So there’s no more hope for me because back then I didn’t even know what intentional was back then and I just realized that today and will god forgive me if I confess and turn away from those past?
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October 25, 2021 at 10:58 am
We forgive because Jesus forgives us. That is the whole purpose of Jesus to forgive sins. No matter what the sin is Jesus will forgive. The purpose of forgiveness is to repent and go and send no more. Intentional sin to me means the person forgiven has no intention of repenting so if there is no repentance there is no forgiveness. Remember that Jesus also said there is no forgiveness for blasphemy against The Holy Spirit In the Jewish scripture it is also said there is no mediator when one sins and blasphemes GOD. .
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October 27, 2021 at 12:36 am
Samuel, yes, God will forgive you.
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April 30, 2022 at 8:27 am
I mever knew this and I’m glad I now know as of today to think I was about to sin on purpose than repent expecting God to forgive me I thank u for this information and I will promise myself to focus of christ our lord and only him his is the truth the way the the light!! 🙏🏽 ✝️
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January 10, 2023 at 12:29 am
I believe that to blasphemy against the holy ghost is to live your hould life not believing in GOD . If you take your own life then you also blasphemy your telling GOD your way is right and not his.
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