Check out this video from Stand to Reason demonstrating why abortion is unjust discrimination against the unborn.
March 25, 2016
Why abortion is unjust discrimination
Posted by Theosophical Ruminator under Abortion, Apologetics, Bioethics[10] Comments
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March 26, 2016 at 1:26 am
Abortion is unjust discrimination of the unborn however by the logic of some people, they give credence to the adult and not to the unborn using the rationale that the early formation of the fetus is not a viable human and therefore deserves no human rights and the courts agree.
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March 26, 2016 at 3:44 am
According to Roe v Wade by a 7-2 decision of the Supreme Court the protection of an individual’s “zone of privacy” by Constitutional right under numerous Constitutional Amendments ensures that state laws will not violate a woman’s right to privacy. This “zone of privacy” was “broad enough to encompass a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.”
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/supremecourt/rights/landmark_roe.html
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March 28, 2016 at 6:19 pm
Hi Jason,
I apologize in advance to being off topic, but I do not have a way to communicate with you otherwise. I have a question to ponder that I believe is something that you would be interested in.
The question is this: God created government, but did He create politics? According to Jude 1:6, the angels did not keep their own domain within the government of God, thereby abandoned the limits of their authority. Is this where politics came into creation? Whereby all things of authority of God’s government could be called into question?
Please let us know your thought?
Thanks,
Kevin
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March 28, 2016 at 6:23 pm
In other words, is there a place within the scriptures, the authority of God is politically debated?
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March 28, 2016 at 11:42 pm
Hi Kevin, you can email this question to me at jasondulle@yahoo.com and I’ll respond. I don’t want to take the thread off-topic.
Jason
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March 28, 2016 at 11:43 pm
Frank, I’m not sure I understand the point of your comment. Do you care to elaborate?
Jason
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March 28, 2016 at 11:48 pm
Spiritual Glant, yes, it’s true that the courts give deference to the mom’s desires until the baby is viable, at which point it is up to the states as to whether or not they choose to protect the baby. The problem with this line of thinking is that it assumes viability determines value. Says who? On what principled basis? Humans are valuable for the kinds of beings we are, not for where they reside. If we flew adult humans into space and then threw them outside of the shuttle without a space suit, they wouldn’t be viable in that environment either. Would they, therefore, lose their human value? Do we consider all astronauts in the space shuttle to be valueless beings who can be killed at will since they are not viable outside of the shuttle?
Jason
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March 29, 2016 at 4:57 am
Jason:
The astronaut and shuttle is a good comparative analogy and may even have merit as an argument against the viability defense if the case ever reopened in the supreme court. I’d never thought about it from that viewpoint; have you heard this analogy before or did you come up with it yourself as far as you know? I like the analogy and think it’s a good one if it can get past the “non-formative fetus” argument which I believe is also linked in with the viability issue, it could prove persuasive in some circles of rational thinkers.
In Jack the Ripper’s day who would have thought that a crime committed in London might remain unchallenged by using a defense alibi that proved the suspect was in New York on the day the crime took place and be dismissed? As I thought about the argument that space would not be considered a “normal” human environment……….but neither was a 700 mile an hour jet ride across the atlantic a normal environment 120 years ago.
The British Airways Boeing 777-200 made the New York-London route in five hours, 16 minutes January, 2015, and reached ground speeds of up to 1200 km/h (745 mph), riding a powerful jet stream of up to 322 km/h (200 mph) tailwinds. The sonic barrier is broken at 1224 km/h (761 mph). Only the now-retired Concorde, which was operated by BA and Air France until it was decommissioned in 2003, bested Flight 114’s New York-London time — a BA Concorde made that trip in 1996 in just under two hours, 53 minutes.
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March 29, 2016 at 9:15 am
Jason,
The point of my comment in post # 2. is to provide a valid description of the historical legal backdrop which has lead America to where it stands today on the issue raised in this thread. I realize there are those who claim that males have no say in the matter as to abortion & “reproductive rights” of mothers. (But weren’t men involved in deciding Roe v. Wade?) My thinking concludes that human life begins at conception; we all require adequate protection, i.e., that which preserves our well-being from that point forward if our lives are to be genuinely viable. At that stage of development it’s mothers who primarily provide that protection usually from a profound sense of maternal love for their child. The question in my mind isn’t, “How do we define the human individual worthy of equal rights protection under the law?” it’s rather, “What constitutes the power & authority of a mother’s love (or lack thereof) during pregnancy?”. Many of us are familiar with the account of Solomon & the Two Mothers in 1 Kings 3:16-28. The aim must be just resolution based on sound judgment.
– Frank
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April 6, 2016 at 12:27 am
Spiritual giant, I heard the space analogy made by a pro-life apologist (can’t remember who). You’re right that space is not a normal human environment. That’s the point. We wouldn’t say adult humans lose their value when we put them into an environment they are not prepared to survive in, so why should we say an unborn human has no value because they are not prepared to survive in the environment outside of the womb. The fact of the matter is that adults are prepared to survive where they are at (outside of the womb), and the unborn are prepared to survive where they are at (in the womb). Neither should lose their value by being forced into an environment they are not suited for.
Jason
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