Charges of voter fraud in the last election began the day after the election. Many examples have been cited. Thousands of affidavits have been given. A number of cases were filed with the courts. Some of the claims have been debunked. Others remain to be proven or disproven. Most Americans don’t have the time to follow all of the evidence, and many don’t know exactly what to make of it. All they know is that Joe Biden was inaugurated as the President of the United States, so the election is settled for all intents and purposes.
I was one of those Americans that followed the claims of fraud quite closely early on, but time is precious, and eventually life has to go on. I don’t get paid to follow the news. I resolved that there seemed to be clear evidences of localized fraud, but the number of votes affected by those clear examples did not appear to be enough to change the outcome of the election. I have always been open to the possibility that the fraud was sufficient to have changed the outcome of the election, but was not willing to say the election was stolen unless and until it could be demonstrated by the evidence. I have no tolerance for conspiracy theories or speculation. Evidence must win the day.
When Mike Lindell came out with his documentary, Absolute Proof, I watched it with an open mind, thinking that he just might have evidence for widespread election fraud sufficient to change the outcome of the election. However, I was disappointed with his case. Many of the claims were not accompanied by sufficient evidence to support them. Some of the claims were debunked by critics. Evidence was presented for localized fraud. While some of these seemed convincing, even if they were true, it only proved localized, small-level fraud – not the kind you need to steal an election. His smoking gun that purported to provide evidence of widespread, systematic fraud turned out to be a Nerf gun. Long on claims, short on proof. Absolute Proof failed to deliver as promised. If that was the best they had, then perhaps the evidence for a stolen election just didn’t exist. I remained open to the idea, but tended to think that the election results were legit despite small, localized fraud here and there.
Recently, however, I was alerted to the fact that Mike Lindell is producing more documentaries. Supposedly, these will provide some of the evidence that was lacking in Absolute Proof. While his second major documentary is yet to be released, he did release an hour-long video containing an interview with Dr. Douglas Frank. He is a physicist who was asked to investigate a claim regarding election fraud in a local election. This led him to some significant findings that he and Mike Lindell discuss in the video titled Scientific Proof.
I have watched the video three times, trying to carefully digest the argument and evidence. While I am open to anyone who can debunk his claims, his data, or his analysis, if those turn out to be legit, then what he presents is, I believe, a smoking gun that there was widespread election fraud sufficient to have changed the outcome of the election. While I would highly suggest you watch the interview yourself, I will attempt to summarize Dr. Frank’s argument here to the best of my ability.
Dr. Frank’s Argument
Dr. Frank began his investigation by comparing population numbers to voter registrations by age for every county in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Colorado. Typically, only ~80% of eligible voters are registered to vote; however, he found that in many cases, ~95% of the population was registered to vote. In some cases, there were more registrations than eligible residents. For example, registration numbers exceeded eligible residents in 26 Colorado counties. This was the first red flag.
A second red flag was raised when he layered in the data for ballots cast in the last election. The number of ballots cast by age corresponded very closely to the number of registrations by age. It’s as if someone had two pencil’s glued together and drew both lines at the same time. Every increase in registrations has a corresponding increase in ballots. When registrations increase, so do ballots. When registrations decrease, so do ballots. Consider Hamilton County, Ohio as an example:
As you can see, the gap between registrations and ballots can be larger or smaller depending on age, but both lines follow the exact same pattern. If this data reflected organic human activity, we would not expect the pattern between the two lines to be nearly identical. Such a parallel pattern between the number of registrations and the number of votes is not natural, and is a fairly clear signal of fraud.
The third red flag was even more revealing than the first two. The percentage of registered voters who voted in the election is the same for each age category in every county in the state. So, for example, if 95% of registered voters, age 65, show as having voted in one county in Ohio, you’ll find that ~95% of registered voters, age 65, show as having voted in every Ohio county. If 87% of registered voters, age 52, show as having voted in one county in Ohio, you’ll find that ~87% of registered voters, age 52, voted in every Ohio county. It would be next to impossible for the percentages in one county to be exactly duplicated in another county, yet alone in every county of the state! This is utterly impossible. This can only be explained by intelligent manipulation of the data; i.e. fraud.
Not only do we find the same percentage of registered voters of a certain age casting the same percentage of votes in every county of the state, but every county has the same percentage of voters compared to registered voters. In Ohio, for example, 86% of registered voters cast a ballot in every county. Again, that is next to impossible, statistically speaking, when there are 88 different counties in Ohio.
The fact that the percentage of voters-to-registered voters was essentially the same for each age bracket for every county in a state allowed Dr. Frank to predict the number of ballots that were “cast” in each county before ever looking at the ballot data for those counties. After examining 14 counties in Ohio, he averaged the voting percentages for each age, and then applied those percentages to the other 74 Ohio counties to predict how many ballots would be cast by age for each county. He found that his predictions matched the ballot data exactly or almost exactly in every single county. This level of predictive power is not possible unless the number of votes was manipulated for each county to match a specific pattern. This is a smoking gun for fraud. It proves that the voting machines didn’t just manipulate votes in some polling places, but across entire states.
This pattern isn’t confined to Ohio. Dr. Frank checked the data for Pennsylvania and Colorado as well and found the same thing. The fraud was statewide. While other states have yet to be assessed, if the first three states Dr. Frank chose to examine all showed evidence of systematic voting fraud, chances are, many other states will as well.
So what exactly was the fraud, then? The voting machines were operating according to an algorithm that converts a pre-determined percentage of registrations into fake ballots. So, for example, the algorithm might be set so that 92% of registered voters 45 years of age will cast a ballot. If only 72% of voters age 45 actually cast a ballot, the system will create 20% more ballots/votes. These are phantom ballots/votes from phantom voters. This algorithm has a recognizable shape to it. Mathematicians call it a 6th order polynomial. You only need 6 numbers to make it work. The algorithm is the same for every county in a state, but differs from state to state.
To test his theory about phantom voters/votes, Dr. Frank utilized the county registration databases that are available to the public in every state. These databases tell you the voting history of each person and their address. A lot of people showed as having only voted one time, specifically in this last election. He predicted that 30% of the “voters” were phantom voters; i.e. people who did not vote, but the voting machine created a ballot/vote for them anyway. He chose a small county in PA to knock on doors and see if the person whom the system says voted actually lives there, and actually cast a vote. His team knocked on 1600 doors and found that 32% of those households did not contain the supposed voter or the supposed voter did not vote (very close to his prediction of 30%). That means 1/3 of the votes in that particular county were fraudulent. Given the fact that this fraud is being driven by an algorithm that is consistent across the state, it’s likely that this percentage of fraud would be found in other counties as well.
You might be wondering where these phantom voters come from. Often, they are people who have died or moved out of the county. If those registration rolls are not cleaned out, hackers have more phantom voters to work with. Or, they are people who are registered to vote but do not cast a ballot in the election.
There is one final red flag that should be mentioned. As you examine the registration and ballots cast data, you’ll notice a series of stair-step bumps on the chart for those age 70+. This phenomenon is present in every county. Look at the chart from Hamilton County, Ohio again:
Here is Stark County, Ohio, where we observe the same pattern:
Here is Ashland County, OH:
What can explain this? Dr. Frank had been teaching on differential calculus just prior to the election, and used the 2010 census data as an illustration. He recognized these bumps from the 2010 census data he had been teaching from. Here is an example of the census data from a county in Pennsylvania, highlighting the bumps.
When he shifted the 2010 census data 10 years and accounted for mortality, he found that this matched up almost perfectly with the registration data he was seeing from the machines, including the bumps:
Those who inserted the algorithms to commit voter fraud had to make assumptions about the population so that they didn’t create more registrations than there were people, so they used the 2010 census data to make their population assumptions, shifting that census data 10 years and reducing the populations slightly to account for mortality. That’s why the population and registration info is so closely correlated, and why the number of registrations for those age 70+ display the same bumps in every county. Unfortunately, this is not a perfect system because it can’t account precisely for migration and death. That’s why the number of registrations (and sometimes even votes) exceeded the current population in these counties. Broomsfield County, CO is illustrative of this tendency:
While Mike Lindell claims to have other soon-to-be-released data showing the precise actors who committed the fraud, when they committed the fraud, and where they committed it, I think this data alone is enough to demonstrate widespread voter fraud involving voting machines.
A Stolen Election?
Was this enough to change the outcome of the election? That answer depends on which states were affected, how many fake votes were created in each state, and who those fake votes were for.
Regarding the first question, as I already noted, which states were affected is yet to be determined. We know that at least three states were, and one of those states was a swing state that went to Biden (PA). Given the fact that the first three states Dr. Frank chose to examine all evidenced systematic fraud, we should expect that many other states will yield the same evidence.
Regarding the second question, this can only be answered by the first question. However, for the states we know there was fraud in, as many as 1/3 of the ballots could be fraudulent. While Dr. Frank did not say how he arrived at his estimation, he said that absent the fraud in Ohio, Trump would have won by 16-17% rather than 8%. This amount of fraud would have easily allowed Trump to win Arizona, Georgia, and Michigan, and thus the election.
Regarding the third and final question, who the fake ballots were cast for was not identified in the presentation, however, given Dr. Frank’s assessment of Ohio, given the oddity of states like Arizona and Georgia voting Democrat, and given the fact that Joe Biden won so handily without even campaigning or generating much excitement for his candidacy, I’m betting that most (if not all) of the fraudulent votes were for Joe Biden. If so, then he did not win the election, and is not the legitimate President of the United States of America. Whether or not this evidence will be presented in a court of law, and whether or not it will hold up to scrutiny is yet to be seen.
Let me conclude by once again noting that someone may be able to demonstrate a flaw in Dr. Frank’s data or analysis. So far, however, I am unaware of anyone who even attempts to do so. If his analysis holds up, it is deserving of our consideration.
April 16, 2021 at 9:16 pm
I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that Dr. Frank’s data or analysis is a fraud because data and analysis does not hold up in court. The court wants evidence to back up the claims and evidence to back up the thousands of affidavits you can produce by the dozen but if you can’t produce the evidence Data and analysis is like the believer’s bible open to any interpretation for the attitude you had to begin with.
The only fraud that was committed was perpetrated by Donald Trump.
And the Pillow Guy?
Mike Lindell, aka “The MyPillow Guy,” used Dominion Voting Systems’ technology as a scapegoat for Donald Trump’s loss in the 2020 election, until Dominion finally filed a $1.3 billion defamation suit against him.
The suit, filed by top-shelf defamation attorneys Tom Clare and Megan Meier, sets out to do two main things. It details all the times Lindell falsely asserted that Dominion machines were programmed to steal votes from Trump and give them to Biden (to “steal” the election), and it makes the case that Lindell’s noisy embrace of Trump was motivated by a desire to sell pillows to right-wingers, not so much by political true belief.
The lawsuit begins by showing that Lindell hasn’t always been honest in marketing claims about his pillows. Lindell was sued in 2016 for making false claims in MyPillow infomercials.
A talented salesman, Lindell personally starred in MyPillow infomercials, which claimed that MyPillow would help people suffering from fibromyalgia, insomnia, migraines and headaches, sleep apnea, snoring, TMJ, and restless leg syndrome—claims that prosecutors alleged were “untrue or misleading.” Rather than defending the truthfulness of MyPillow’s claims in court, Lindell opted to pay $995,000 in civil penalties.
Also in 2016, MyPillow was hit with a class action lawsuit alleging that the company’s infomercials hold out Lindell as a “sleep expert” when in fact he wasn’t. Again Lindell paid to make the case go away. The company was hit with another lawsuit in 2019 for “disseminating false and misleading advertisements.” MyPillow settled for $100,000.
In 2019 the Better Business Bureau, after seeing “a pattern of consumer complaints,” pulled its accreditation of MyPillow and lowered the company’s rating to “F.”
If you have an open mind about these bogus claims, piteousness is your destiny and your rest will be like the Unclean Spirits and Waterless Places.
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April 16, 2021 at 9:36 pm
Jason, I watched days & days of the testimonies at the hearings of so many witnesses who had sworn affidavits that they witnessed election fraud.
I watched as Jenna Ellis and Rudy Guiliani spoke truth as well as the testimonies of forensic experts…..some of those witnesses were Democrats who had a conscience and spoke the truth of what they saw.
I saw video of the boxes of fake votes being taken out from under the table, when everybody else was sent home.
I saw SO MANY Republican Poll Watchers locked out from watching the votes being counted…and so much more. What’s THAT all about? If there is no fraud, why can’t the poll watchers be allowed in?
Shenanigans, that’s what,
There is no doubt that this election was stolen, but it is not over….not by a long shot.
For 4 years we had to hear The Left and the MSM whine & scream that Trump was elected by the help of the Russians…..and that is a load of crap….no proof whatsoever….yet President Trump and the American people had to endure 2 fake impeachments brought on by a parade of fools.
We who know that the 2020 election was stolen via proof and tons of it , yet Big Tech & The Left want us silenced…….well no thank you, I will not be silenced.
If President Trump would have lost fairly, then it’s time to move on, BUT proof & evidence beyond imagination shows that he won and that he won by a landslide……and little by little the truth is coming out,……..it is far from over.
Speaking of Mike Lindell – God bless him!!!…he is truly a brave heart!
Also today I watched the Health & Freedom Conference live from Tulsa Oklahoma, sponsored by Clay Clark and it was phenomenal.
You can find it on Rumble, Brighteon & Rhema TV…….and the 2nd day/final part of it is tomorrow….it is so worth watching! Gen Flynn, Jeffrey Prather and so many more excellent speakers were there….including a Zoom from Jim Caviezel about his new movie about the child sex trade – Sound of Freedom with Jim Caviezel…..here’s the trailer…. It’s a must-see….
Ok…I’ll step down from my soap box!
Love ya Jason and your family too!
~Elaine
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April 17, 2021 at 10:37 am
Elaine:
I am surprised that you have been taken for a ride by obfuscation and I’ll give you only one example as the Judges in over (50) lawsuits threw out the cases simply because there was no evidence presented with the allegations.
You were duped into “The Big Lie” belief, by watching a video where workers took boxes of ballots out from under the table after regular counting hours, why? because “it is more likely to obfuscate people than enlighten them”.
You see, you did not watch, and the deceivers did not show you, the video when the boxes(Guliani called them suitcases) of uncounted ballots were placed under the table for safe keeping until the staff were able to retrieve them to conclude the process of counting the ballots after the Polls closed to the public. Source:
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/georgia-election-officials-show-frame-by-frame-what-really-happened-fulton-surveillance-video/T5M3PYIBYFHFFOD3CIB2ULDVDE/
This is so simple to understand but deceivers don’t want you to know; they cater only to your propensity to “belief” as religion has de-sensitized and conditioned you to accept speculation ritually.. And unfortunately after enough acceptance of speculative belief, your commonsense that normally questions everything to seek out truth is not woke and will belief everything without question by the common sense you were born with and to use….even the bible states “prove all things and hold fast that which is good” (I Thessalonians 5:20-21)
But some people do not want you to know…only believe: Lk 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in, ye hindered.”
People lie Elaine for their own agenda and they don’t care about those they deceive or who they hurt, to satisfy their self-ego.
It is not right either to reject the true because some is false or to accept the false because some is true. Paul indicated the safe course: “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” If there had been no evil mixed with the good, the admonition to “prove all things” and to “hold fast that which is good” would not have been necessary. It was true then and it is true today.
This reminds me of the Massey quote: “They must find it difficult, those who have taken authority as truth, rather than truth as authority.”
And the “Authority”, pastors and politicians knowing this, plays on earnest people like yourself to take advantage of, and you need to be “woke”. Lk 11:52 “Woe unto you, experts in the law! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.
Luke 2:14 “Glory to life from…… the highest, and on earth peace to all on whom His favor rests!”
John 16:33. King James Version …
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer … I have overcome the world.” read ( overcome its influence )
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April 17, 2021 at 12:27 pm
Hi Leona,
I am assuming that you neglected to read my comments where I said that I watched the multiple hearings and the sworn testimonies of witnesses who affirm that they witnessed voter fraud first hand.
You also neglected to read where I mentioned the multiple times that the Republican poll watchers were locked out or greatly hindered to observe the ballot counting…..of the multiple times that the chain of custody was hindered or neglected.
I am not the lady who has been taken in by The Big Lie……..it looks as though you are a victim of that.
Please Leona, do not use God’s Word to justify criminal acts committed by The Left.
I am sure you mean well, but you are treading on dangerous ground.
Joe Biden is an illegitimate president and a human wrecking ball who is continually ushering in unrighteousness & ungodly laws by his puppet masters……but of course since you are a Christian, I am sure you stand against what he and The Left stand for……………right?
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April 17, 2021 at 3:11 pm
the statistical data alone indicates massive election fraud occurred. and we haven’t even considered fraud from unprecedented mail in ballots and how they were poorly handled plus the magic voting machines.
the data proves Pres Trump won the vast majority of counties in America and with in states you see the improbable variation between counties. in certain states biden gets 90% plus in certain counties but only 60% in others from the same state. that could be a fluke but you add to that over 100,000 ballots needing to be “adjudicated” in GA and you have to be very gullible to believe massive fraud didn’t occur.
but the icing on the cake is what the various gov’t officials did when these various serious discrepancies were raised —– instead of doing a deep dive full forensic audit in certain counties like Maricopa and Fulton which would’ve solved the problem. they did bs recounts that wouldn’t find any of the massive fraud claimed because they’d be looking in the wrong place. and those same gov’t officials are still trying to stop the audits.
LOL …… but what’s the funniest is where did we get the idea those magic voting machines are open to being hacked/programmed to switch votes ???
from demoncrats/libtards and the fake news. they took down all conservative info about the 2020 nov fr—d but last i checked the stories about russian hacking of those machines to steal the 2016 election for Pres Trump were still available on youtube. and the video evidence shows votes being switched from Pres Trump to biden in real time —- can’t be a typo based on the evidence presented in numerous hearings because the numbers come straight from the system w/o human input.
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April 17, 2021 at 4:13 pm
Paul Vander Voort = Voice of Reason and AMEN to all that you said!!!
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April 18, 2021 at 12:36 pm
Thank you for your reply Elaine:
Two points to note. Of all the things you read and believe why did more than 50 lawsuit Judges throw the same information out? Because courts need evidence and so do I. Proof is knowledge not belief. the definition of belief is non knowledge, not knowing.
Secondly. I am proud and pleased to say that I am not a Christian. Jesus was not a Christian either; that’s who I follow.
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April 18, 2021 at 2:30 pm
Elaine ………. it’s hilarious how little the demoncrats/libtards care about election integrity. and what’s really bizarre is …….. there’s reports of more states wanting to get those magic voting machines without back up paper ballots. they’ll only give a receipt that’s coded not with the names of people you voted for.
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April 18, 2021 at 5:45 pm
Hi Leona,
Jesus was not a Christian because HE is not a follower of Himself.
He is the I AM.
He is the the Alpha & Omega (Rev 22:13) and The Mighty God & Everlasting Father (Isaiah 9:6)
He was God in flesh reconciling the world unto Himself (2 Cor 5:19)
The term “Christian” was originally a derogatory term towards the The Way or the followers of Yeshua, YET the believers accepted it as a badge of honor, because “If any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed” (1 Peter 4:16)
So Leona, whether you are ashamed of, or reject the term “Christian,” that is up to you, but I will not be ashamed to be called a Christian.
Most of all I just want to be a true Biblical believer in our God and His Bride….as I am sure you do too.
Regarding the 50 judges……how about the over 1000+ sworn testimonies (upon penalty of imprisonment) of actual human beings both Republicans & Democrats who witnessed the fraud?
Do they not count for nothing in your mind?
There were actually more who wanted to come forward, but so many of them were threatened with being doxxed and worse.
Like our friend Paul Vander Voort said, you can google everything you want about The Left claiming election fraud in 2016, but Big Tech censors & bans ANYONE who claims voter fraud in 2020…..WOW!
Doesn’t that make you wonder?
I watched over 50-plus hours of sworn testimonies and visuals of Military forensic experts who proved beyond a shadow of a doubt the anomalies of the ballot count.
I saw video after video of SO MANY Republican poll watchers who were blocked, threatened and mistreated by Democrats SIMPLY because they wanted to do their job.
In all of my 64 years, I have never seen a presidential candidate SO ahead a in the votes…and then….all of the sudden……everything goes DARK…….and the counting STOPS….only to wake up to see it all reversed.
Didn’t that make you wonder Leona…even a little bit?
I’ll tell you why it all came to an abrupt halt was because President Trump received an exceedingly far more count that The Left anticipated and it disrupted the cheating algorithms of the RIGGED Dominion machines.
Which is why they had to feverously feed the machines fake ballots of non-existent voters and dead people……as well as SWITCH the votes from President Trump to Sleepy Joe.
These are same voting machines used in Venezuela and Myanmar and other socialist nations. Yes, Italy was involved big time as well as China.
So you bring up 50 judges who REFUSED TO EVEN LOOK at the vast mountain amount of evidence.
Doesn’t that make you wonder?
Has it entered into your thoughts that possibly they too were threatened.
At least 6 FEDERAL Judges have has “HITS” on them and murdered since 1979……don’t you think that sends a message to anyone who refuses to defy The Left?
https://www.npr.org/2013/04/01/175938445/the-dangers-facing-judges-and-prosecutors
Yet Leona, you so easily discount the sworn testimonies of over a 1000 witnesses………………and you use Bible verses to justify that?
WOW!
“There are none so blind who will not see……..” – John Heywood
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April 18, 2021 at 5:49 pm
******CORRECTION to my comment – “do they not count for nothing in your mind?”
I meant – “Do they not count for ANYTHING in your mind?”
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April 18, 2021 at 6:23 pm
Paul…….Amen again because that is exactly their plan……and here’s the thing…..
The Democrat Party who’s logo is the Jackass, publicly voted out both God and Israel from their party platform at the Democrat National Convention in 2012.
I witnessed it myself on live TV.
The Democrats have passed laws & legislation that is in direct opposition to God’s principles in nature and His laws of conduct.
The Democrats is also the party of Slavery, Segregation and The Klan.
On January 4 2021, a fool and so-called pastor / Democrat Missouri representative Emanuel Cleaver, recited an opening prayer on the first day of the 117th Congress.
It was a divisive prayer and he ended it by invoking the demon-pagan-deity “brahma” for “peace across our land.”
Then he ended his demonic-pagan-prayer with “Amen and A-Woman” like the fool he is.
THIS is the party of miscreants who stole the 2020 election and installed a demented perverted fake president who likes to sniff the necks of females and little girls, and enjoyed little black children (who he referred to cockroaches) who played with his wet curly leg hair when he was a lifeguard.
What a pervert-in-chief.
But Paul, this is not over……the 78 million LIVE Americans who voted for the re-election of President Donald J. Trump will not be silenced and for the most part, they are praying to Jesus to right this wrong.
The wicked Left and their evil deeds are being exposed every day.
Paul (and whoever else) when you have time, please watch Day 1 of The Health & Freedom Conference……WOW! As soon as they have the link for Day 2, I will post it.
https://rumble.com/vfrmkd-04162021-health-and-freedom-conference-2021-tulsa-ok-day-1-patrick-byrne-ge.html
God bless you and everyone here! 🙂
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April 19, 2021 at 12:54 am
Paul and Elaine:
You said:
“the statistical data alone indicates massive election fraud occurred. FALSE
“we haven’t even considered fraud from unprecedented mail in ballots” FALSE
“they were poorly handled plus the magic voting machines.” FALSE
All considered in court, show the court the evidence of fraud Mr Guiliani?
“Oh, Judge this hearing is not about fraud”
“you have to be very gullible to believe massive fraud didn’t occur.” FALSE
You have to be very gullible to believe massive fraud did occur. TRUE
Paul and Elaine:
Your words are worthless. Without evidence among believers; aka, “speculators”, you’ll find willing ‘pats of the back’, one speculator to another speculator because that’s all you’ve got…Speculation is what speculators eat and drink for sustenance and thrive on because proof means nothing to a speculator. All you need is speculation, it needs no proof to become rampant.
And of course that leads to mean-spirited conversation like in the days of old there were Israel speculators and everybody else in the world were heathen, lost and destined for hell. Name calling, sarcasm, evil, wicked, Jackass, miscreant, fool, demented, perverted, fake, demon, pagan, and what’s with the “sniff the necks of females”? It’s romantic by design, it’s how you got conceived and born, yet the virtuous speculators take you right back into the days of genesis when they brought filth into the very essence of life itself, sexuality, which ever since has been the original sin of shame and guilt for the speculators to heap upon anti speculators and knowledge seekers who SEEK to find knowledge, who KNOCK so the door of knowledge will be opened, who ASK that knowledge will be given. Words of message from Jesus.
Said Jesus to them: “Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?”
You and Elaine should let these words of Jesus sink in. But if you won’t; well, that goes back a long way too because speculators are a stiff-necked people:
2 Chronicles 36:15-16
The Lord, the God of their fathers, sent word to them again and again by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place; but they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against His people, until there was no remedy.
And to me:
Ezekiel 2:
3-7 He said, “Son of man, I’m sending you to the family of Israel, a rebellious nation if there ever was one. They and their ancestors have fomented rebellion right up to the present. They’re a hard case, these people to whom I’m sending you—hardened in their sin. Tell them, ‘This is the Message of God, the Master.’ They are a defiant bunch. Whether or not they listen, at least they’ll know that a prophet’s been here. But don’t be afraid of them, son of man, and don’t be afraid of anything they say. Don’t be afraid when living among them is like stepping on thorns or finding scorpions in your bed. Don’t be afraid of their mean words or their hard looks. They’re a bunch of rebels. Your job is to speak to them. Whether they listen is not your concern. They’re hardened rebels.
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April 19, 2021 at 1:09 am
Leona,
I’m trying to make sense of your comment and it’s impossible because it’s nonsensical and weird.
Your comment is also unhinged & erratic.
Like I said before, it’s not wise to use God’s Word to justify nonsense……be careful…..be very careful……. twisting scripture for a personal agenda can get you into a lot of trouble……. eternally.
My conversation with you is over based on Proverbs 26: 4
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April 19, 2021 at 6:38 am
Elaine:
You have confirmed your lack of understanding of Jesus message and it was necessary to inform you of the admonition in post 13.
As a follower of Jesus I am obligated to make you aware of your lack of comprehension based on Proverbs 26:5.
This, to ensure that you are given the chance, by reason and knowledge, that your name calling and misrepresentation of the facts will lead to your peril.
Never let your “love thy neighbor” fail to be a guide when communication to and about others, nor refuse to be courteous to strangers because you have no right to disparage your fellowman without cause—sometimes men have entertained angels and not known it.
Did you not read with any understanding that “At my coming”: He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Do not stay blind at the last chance saloon when you receive the words of chastisement.
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April 20, 2021 at 3:12 pm
The bottom line is that the Trump admin and his allies brought some 60 lawsuits, the vast majority of which were thrown out (including by judges Trump himself appointed) due to a lack of any credible evidence:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-courts-election/fact-check-courts-have-dismissed-multiple-lawsuits-of-alleged-electoral-fraud-presented-by-trump-campaign-idUSKBN2AF1G1
Mike Lindell’s “Absolute Proof” video has the disclaimer, “The statements and claims expressed in this program are presented at this time as opinions only and are not intended to be taken or interpreted by the viewer as established facts” (https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/mypillow-ceo-mike-lindells-film-is-not-intended-to-be-taken-as-fact/). If he had ANY credible evidence, don’t you think he would have provided it in that video (it was titled “Absolute Proof,” after all)? And don’t you think he would have provided that evidence to stave off the $1.3 billion lawsuit Dominion hit him with? He has no election experience, but he has a history of spreading debunked falsehoods (https://www.factcheck.org/2021/02/mypillow-ceos-video-rehashes-debunked-election-fraud-claims/)? Perhaps “Scientific Proof” will turn out to present actual evidence…but why would anyone trust him for anything?
I can’t speak to Douglas Frank’s statistics (not my field), but he has a history of making unsupported and false claims as well. Here’s one of his “Pants on Fire” falsehoods:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/apr/16/douglas-frank/no-evidence-michigan-used-algorithm-manipulate-ele/
There is no evidence of anything more than a few small instances of actual voter fraud (and even then some of those fraudulent votes evidently went for Trump). It would be virtually impossible to coordinate a nationwide fraud without the evidence quickly coming to light. There are just too many opportunities to be caught.
Finally, is it really hard to imagine that a president with the highest level of voter disapproval in modern history, who never even cracked 50% voter popularity, and who disenfranchised over half the country would lose reelection?
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April 20, 2021 at 4:11 pm
So Derek,
Are you saying that the 234+ pages of affidavits from witnesses who swore under oath & penalty of imprisonment that they witnessed voter irregularities, anomalies & criminal acts were all liars?
Are you also saying that is was fine & dandy that the Republican Poll Watchers were hindered, hampered and at times 100% forbidden to observe the ballot counting?
Doesn’t that even raise a Red Flag with you?
It sure didn’t with Miss Leona.
OK…now Voter disapproval for President Trump….hmmm? Gee I wonder who took those polls and who they polled?
I’m a Conservative and I was never once polled on President Trump. You know those approval ratings are subject to who is taking the polls and who they decide to poll.
All I can say Derek is let’s see what the future unfolds once we obtain Voter Integrity Laws and ESPECIALLY what comes from the Maricopa audit and beyond.
I’m in Santa Clara County and I was handed a Black Sharpie Pen which bled through the ballots. I objected but she said that was what I was supposed to use.
When I went to insert the 1 of 3 ballots into the machine, the ballot that cast my vote for President Trump was rejected.
The poll worker told me to make the black mark even darker….(whaaaat???)
I showed her how it already bled through the ballot and she said it did not matter….once I made it even darker, the machine accepted it…………….then I find out that some other people were given regular pens.
I should never have accepted that Sharpie…never in all my years of voting have they told us to use a Black Sharpie.
Then I started hearing on various social media platforms that other conservatives had been instructed to use Black Sharpies………what is THAT all about?
Coincidence?…….I think not. Never will I submit to that foolishness again.
Donald John Trump = Best President ever in Modern Day History….says 78+ million Americans.
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April 20, 2021 at 4:44 pm
PS…..Derek, I did a little research and it seems that it was OAN who presented that disclaimer to avoid any possible lawsuit by Dominion….it was NOT Mike Lindell.
Dominion already claims that they will sue Sidney Powell and L.Lin Wood and both Sidney Powell and L.Lin Wood welcomes their lawsuit, because that will pressure Dominion to be fully open to investigation.
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April 20, 2021 at 5:25 pm
“Are you saying that the 234+ pages of affidavits from witnesses who swore under oath & penalty of imprisonment that they witnessed voter irregularities, anomalies & criminal acts were all liars?”
I’m saying testimonial evidence is almost worthless without independent collaborating evidence, and it’s considered the least reliable form of evidence in court. It’s easy to find people who will claim they saw voter fraud that actually wasn’t. Some examples: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/20/fact-check-photo-discarded-mail-not-ballots-cast-trump/3565706001/
“Are you also saying that is was fine & dandy that the Republican Poll Watchers were hindered, hampered and at times 100% forbidden to observe the ballot counting?”
I’m saying that’s a demonstrably false claim: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/12/donald-trump/trumps-wrong-claim-election-observers-were-barred-/
“OK…now Voter disapproval for President Trump….hmmm? Gee I wonder who took those polls and who they polled?”
There were multiple polls by multiple media sources, including those that rate highest on the Media Bias Chart: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/?v=402f03a963ba. Fake polling is foolish, since it only damages their credibility. Regardless, even one of the most conservatively biased polls–Rasmussen (not considered reliable but used here to give your claim every possible advantage)–showed Biden ahead of Trump. For example:
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/prez_track_april20
https://secondnexus.com/rasmussen-poll-biden-leads-trump
https://www.newsweek.com/conservative-rasmussen-reports-shows-trump-trailing-biden-8-points-wisconsin-after-kenosha-unrest-1530280
“I’m a Conservative and I was never once polled on President Trump. You know those approval ratings are subject to who is taking the polls and who they decide to poll.”
I’m a progressive and I was never once polled on President Biden. So? They can’t poll everyone.
“All I can say Derek is let’s see what the future unfolds once we obtain Voter Integrity Laws and ESPECIALLY what comes from the Maricopa audit and beyond.”
Voter integrity laws are a thinly-veiled attempt to legislate voter disenfranchisement. Trump’s own officials stated the election was the most secure ever: https://apnews.com/article/top-officials-elections-most-secure-66f9361084ccbc461e3bbf42861057a5. Republican politicians have known for quite some time now that they increasingly can’t win fair elections because their base keeps shrinking as demographics move against them, and they are out of touch with what the American public wants (they mostly ignore climate change, exacerbate race relations, support white supremacists and conspiracy theorists, are against any form of gun control, etc.): https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2013/02/26/gop-seen-as-principled-but-out-of-touch-and-too-extreme/. Only the electoral system (which favors multiple states over population) works in their favor. So they turn to voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc. to win, and even ADMITTED that to the Supreme Court: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/supreme-court-gop-attorney-defends-voting-restrictions-saying-they-help-n1259305
“I’m in Santa Clara County and I was handed a Black Sharpie Pen which bled through the ballots. I objected but she said that was what I was supposed to use.”
I’m sorry if your voting experience didn’t go smoothly–although a Biden voter would have presumably had the same problem you had, since the poll worker wouldn’t have known how you were going to vote. I would recommend voting by mail. It’s much more convenient and less prone to such errors as you experienced: https://www.aclusocal.org/es/node/3912
“Then I started hearing on various social media platforms that other conservatives had been instructed to use Black Sharpies………what is THAT all about?”
Voting is anonymous. How could anyone tell whether someone’s conservative unless they tell others or advertise it in some way?
“Donald John Trump = Best President ever in Modern Day History….says 78+ million Americans.”
Actually, Trump received fewer than 75 million votes, while Biden received over 81 million: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/president-results. Trump kept inflating his vote total and acting as if that somehow beats 81 million votes.
But you can’t be serious that Trump was the best president in modern day history! He was objectively the WORST. I kept track of his record during his presidency and have an 83-page list of bulleted notes of his mistakes and egregious behavior (I’m happy to provide that list for you to fact check, if you wish). The fact that he made over 30,000 documented lies and other falsehoods during his four years should make it clear that you can’t trust anything he claimed. You can check out those falsehoods for yourself and verify the source material right here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/trump-claims-database/
But the most obvious and undeniable example of Trump’s incompetence is how he handled the pandemic. Largely because of him, literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Americans died unnecessarily. Buckle up, because here is the evidence, with references provided:
Back in 2014, Obama predicted that we would have a pandemic in 5-10 years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBVAnaHxHbM. He was off by just one year. On Oct 25 2019, Biden posted “We are not prepared for a pandemic. Trump has rolled back progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. We need leadership that builds public trust, focuses on real threats, and mobilizes the world to stop outbreaks before they reach our shores”: https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1187829299207954437.
Because Obama and Biden listened to scientists, they created a pandemic playbook, a pandemic response force, and even stationed CDC personnel in China to monitor disease outbreaks because that is one of the places where a pandemic is most likely to originate. They handed Trump the playbook and tried to brief his administration on the threat, but there was no interest. Trump and his administration ignored the playbook, disbanded the pandemic response force, and eliminated the key CDC personnel in China: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/21/joe-biden/under-donald-trump-key-cdc-us-staff-china-fell-0/.
Early in 2020, Trump learned of the danger the coronavirus posed, that it was airborne and could affect the young: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-told-bob-woodward-he-knew-february-covid-19-was-n1239658 (audio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBwwgMj-ewI ). What did he do? He claims he banned flights from China, but that’s not true. He only restricted some flights (even though he knew the virus was ALREADY in the country), still allowing some 27,000 American citizens and their families to return (in the first month alone!). And then his administration lost track of many of them: https://apnews.com/article/d227b34b168e576bf5068b92a03c003d.
Instead of warning Americans of the dangers and immediately activating the Defense Production Act to rapidly disseminate PPE, Trump and his administration did almost nothing for many WEEKS: https://www.npr.org/2020/03/25/821285204/trump-sends-mixed-messages-about-invoking-defense-production-act. Furthermore, he spent over nine months claiming the virus would soon disappear, that it was under control, etc. When states began to lock down, he soon demanded that they open up. He mocked mask wearing, even when essentially EVERY epidemiologist and virologist has concluded they dramatically help reduce the spread of the virus: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-1132-9. He discouraged testing, saying more tests mean more cases (which is absurd, since the testing is to determine the RATE of infection). He kept holding rallies packed with people in close contact without wearing masks. By politicizing mask wearing, he caused literally millions of those who trust him to not wear masks, causing the disease to spread worse than in almost any other country.
The end result is that despite the US having just 4% of the world’s population, we have over 20% of the cases and deaths: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/22/us-coronavirus-death-toll-tops-200000-just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg-.html. That is the undeniable evidence that Trump badly mishandled this pandemic. The sad thing is, a three-week national lockdown would have essentially eliminated the virus in short order, allowing masks, social distancing and contact tracing to cut the death rate drastically. Instead of the more than 550,000 American lives lost so far, there could have been “only” 330,000 lives lost. Thus, because of Trump’s mismanagement of the pandemic, he is responsible for approximately 220,000 American deaths: https://www.businessinsider.com/analysis-trump-covid-19-response-40-percent-us-deaths-avoidable-2021-2
In short, it’s hard to imagine how Trump could have done a WORSE job. The number one job of the president is to PROTECT American lives. Instead, his behavior caused hundreds of thousands to die unnecessarily. Trump failed our country. He deserved to be routed out of office.
Of course, if you watch Fox News, you didn’t hear any of that. But I’m sure you heard plenty of outrage about Mr. Potato Head and Dr. Seuss….
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April 20, 2021 at 5:38 pm
“Derek, I did a little research and it seems that it was OAN who presented that disclaimer to avoid any possible lawsuit by Dominion….it was NOT Mike Lindell.”
Legitimate news sources never make disclaimers unless it’s an opinion piece. OAN wouldn’t have needed to put up a disclaimer if there had been credible evidence to support Lindell’s claims.
“Dominion already claims that they will sue Sidney Powell and L.Lin Wood and both Sidney Powell and L.Lin Wood welcomes their lawsuit, because that will pressure Dominion to be fully open to investigation.”
Of course Dominion is aware of that. They wouldn’t sue unless they expected the evidence to come out.
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April 20, 2021 at 6:23 pm
DEREK said – “Of course, if you watch Fox News, you didn’t hear any of that. But I’m sure you heard plenty of outrage about Mr. Potato Head and Dr. Seuss….”
Elaine – Derek, I do not watch FOX News……so quit assuming. By bringing up Mr Potato Head & Dr Suess, are you referring to Brian Stelter and Dr Fauci?
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DEREK said – “In short, it’s hard to imagine how Trump could have done a WORSE job. The number one job of the president is to PROTECT American lives. Instead, his behavior caused hundreds of thousands to die unnecessarily. Trump failed our country. He deserved to be routed out of office.”
ELAINE – President Trump did not fail the country or cause the deaths of anyone. When news first broke out about “covid” even your friends in the MSM mocked it, as did late night talk show hosts…nobody took it seriously.
President Trump recommended of Hydroxychloroquine which overwhelmingly IS proven to fight the virus…and he was mocked unmercifully.
And don’t even THINK of bringing up the LYING “Lancet Report” who claimed that Hydroxychloroquine was harmful….that lying report was totally debunked….yet your friends in the MSM did not report that did they?
Had Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin be allowed to be distributed, the death rate would have been cut down 90% at least.
President Trump was 100% right and he handled this fake pandemic very well.
Derek, why don’t you direct your accusations toward failed Gov Andrew Cuomo who totally REJECTED President Trump’s help with sending the Naval Hospital Ship and opening up the Javitz Center for more patients……but noooooo, the MURDERER Cuomo sent elderly patients with Covid into Nursing Homes and killed thousands who had weakened immunities and were not given the meds that would have truly helped them.
So don’t even bring up Covid and President Trump…..how about Fake president Biden who opened the floodgates at the southern border and is putting kids in Obama cages and the covid is spreading like wild fire?
You forgot to address that mess.
So please, don’t even discuss with me the covid issue…….my husband and I both had covid…..and guess what? We followed the directions of Dr Simone Gold by taking Zinc, Vitamin D, Sambucus and we came out just fine….it was like a mild flu….and my hubby had just undergone a 5-way bypass last year….but he survived just fine.
The REAL criminal is Dr Fauci & Bill Gates who is responsible for vaccines that has killed Africans and Indians (in India) and who discounted Hydroxychloroquine.
Dr Fauci and those like him are the ones responsible for all of those unnecessary tragic deaths, not President Trump….not at all.
And besides, Covid does have a 98-plus% RECOVERY RATE…did you know that Derek?
Derek, you wrote a THESIS not a comment…..and as I read through it all, I am astonished at the lies you have been fed….it would take hours to address each inconsistency. Everything you have quoted from is left-leaning anti-Trump fake news agencies……you are being spoon-fed lies and half-truths.
I kindly suggest that you turn off the fake news media and dig deep and do the research yourself ….that’s what I did.
Even your “Fact Finders” are ridiculous…….Republican Poll Watchers WERE barred & greatly hindered from their jobs.
I saw the MANY videos of this travesty, yet you only believe what Politifact says….a proven left leaning organization.
In fact every source you used is purposely left-leaning…..and YET you did not even address when I showed you that it was OAN and NOT Mike Lindell who posted that disclaimer.
So Derek, you are a “Progressive”………that alone disqualifies you from any discussion that is of any help. It’s “progressives” who are ruining our Nation in every way possible with stupid ungodly unscientific, socialist/Marxist & perverted agendas.
I sincerely pray you utilize some critical thinking and look on both sides of the issues….I know I have…I was born in Oakland and raised in Berkeley and I have been on that other side…….but I saw the light….thank God.
And by the way, as much as I detest the “progressive” mindset, I detest the RINO mindset as well…but they are being exposed as are the “progressives.”
OK….be well, be safe and be correctly informed…peace to you Derek.
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April 21, 2021 at 10:38 pm
Derek:
I commend your excellent report and links of source evidence to back up your comments. That took a lot of time and research and you did a fantastic job. Elaine sarcasm has no stomach for a “Thesis”; Evidence and knowledge with supporting documents to verify are too tedious.
People are made lazy that way and allow themselves to be made so when minds are like pliable putty. That’s a signal to be exploited by others so inclined.
To them Isaiah says:
You “‘Listen hard, but you aren’t going to get it;
look hard, but you won’t catch on.’
(Exploiters) Make these people blockheads,
with fingers in their ears and blindfolds on their eyes,
So they won’t see a thing,
won’t hear a word,
So they won’t have a clue about what’s going on
and, yes, so they won’t turn around and be made whole.”
Exploiters hide the key to knowledge not going in themselves and hinder those who would.
Correction and chastisements are plentiful in scripture, however, speculators believe corrections apply only to others, leaving themselves free to disparage anyone and everybody who does not accept speculation.
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April 22, 2021 at 6:38 pm
“Derek, I do not watch FOX News……so quit assuming.”
I made no assumption. Read what I said again: “if you watch Fox News…” Notice the “if” there. That means “on the condition that.”
But your claims are talking points promulgated conservative media sources that rate as unreliable and hyperpartisan.
“President Trump did not fail the country or cause the deaths of anyone.”
I provided you with a detailed analysis of how Trump was directly responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans, and I provided you with supportive evidence from news sources that rate highly on reliability and low bias. So your assertion doesn’t mean anything unless you can refute my claims.
“When news first broke out about “covid” even your friends in the MSM mocked it, as did late night talk show hosts…nobody took it seriously.”
I was there. I didn’t see anyone mocking the virus in the mainstream media. I DID, however, watch conservative media mocking those who caught COVID: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/fox-news-mock-coronavirus-cnn-988906/ As for late-night hosts, well, it’s their job to mock almost everything. But they never mocked the severely sick or the dead.
“President Trump recommended of Hydroxychloroquine which overwhelmingly IS proven to fight the virus…and he was mocked unmercifully.”
He was rightly mocked because he should have known better. Hydroxychloroquine has been debunked multiple times by medical researchers and every major medical organization:
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-9153030274
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/covid-19-story-tip-hydroxychloroquine-not-recommended-for-treatment-of-covid-19
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/in-viral-video-doctor-falsely-touts-hydroxychloroquine-as-covid-19-cure/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/21/fact-check-hydroxychloroquine-hasnt-helped-covid-19-studies-show/5407547002/
I don’t know where you get your news, but it’s clearly unreliable.
“And don’t even THINK of bringing up the LYING “Lancet Report” who claimed that Hydroxychloroquine was harmful….that lying report was totally debunked….yet your friends in the MSM did not report that did they?”
That story WAS reported on multiple sites, including:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/22/the-lancet-reforms-editorial-policy-after-hydroxychloroquine-covid-study-retraction
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/lancet-retracts-large-study-hydroxychloroquine-n1225091
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-hydroxychloroquine/truly-sorry-scientists-pull-panned-lancet-study-of-trump-touted-drug-idUSKBN23B31W
But what you fail to mention is that the Lancet did not retract the study because of a LIE, they retracted it because a third-party peer review company turned out to not be able to provide the data used in the study as it would violate a client confidentiality agreement. Because the Lancet is a respected journal that requires open access to the data, they had to retract the story. It had NOTHING to do with whether hydroxychloroquine was effective or not, and in fact the peer review company stands by their conclusions:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200605/lancet-retracts-hydroxychloroquine-study
“Had Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin be allowed to be distributed, the death rate would have been cut down 90% at least.”
There is NO credible evidence that hydroxychloroquine had any helpful effect on COVID patients. In fact, hydroxychloroquine has some known (though rare) side effects, including permanently blurred vision, heart disease and heart failure. Trump’s advice was not only worthless, it was dangerous to even suggest.
Pay attention to what the epidemiologists and virologists say, not a blowhard who claims to be brilliant but doesn’t know the first thing about medicine. He actually thought light or disinfectant inserted into the body could cure the virus!
“Derek, why don’t you direct your accusations toward failed Gov Andrew Cuomo”
First, off, that’s “whataboutism,” which is not a valid argument. Second, YOU were the one who claimed “Donald John Trump = Best President ever in Modern Day History,” and THAT was what I responded to. Why would I bring up Cuomo? He is IRRELEVANT to Trump’s behavior.
And for the record, I do consider Cuomo to be a disaster who should ALSO be run out of office. He should be held accountable, as should Trump.
“how about Fake president Biden who opened the floodgates at the southern border and is putting kids in Obama cages and the covid is spreading like wild fire?
You forgot to address that mess.”
That’s more whataboutism. I didn’t mention the summer riots, the Jan 6 insurrection or the wildfires in CA and Australia either…because they are equally IRRELEVANT to Trump’s behavior.
“So please, don’t even discuss with me the covid issue…….my husband and I both had covid…..and guess what? We followed the directions of Dr Simone Gold by taking Zinc, Vitamin D, Sambucus and we came out just fine….it was like a mild flu….and my hubby had just undergone a 5-way bypass last year….but he survived just fine.”
Yeah, and a close friend of mine of over 35 years died from COVID. I too had COVID (I’m pretty sure I did because I had all the symptoms, but it was near the beginning of the pandemic and I never got tested). It pretty much destroyed me for two weeks, and it took me several MONTHS to recover my former high fitness level.
But most people have mild or no symptoms, so how is the fact that you and your husband suffered mild effects relevant? Keep in mind, early in the pandemic “40 percent of diagnosed COVID-19 patients with at least one underlying health condition were hospitalized (including 13 percent in ICU)—versus 9 percent of diagnosed COVID-19 patients without an underlying health condition (2 percent in ICU)”: https://www.tfah.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/COVIDunderlyingconditions040320.pdf. That is FAR more dangerous than the flu.
“The REAL criminal is Dr Fauci & Bill Gates who is responsible for vaccines that has killed Africans and Indians (in India) and who discounted Hydroxychloroquine.”
Fauci has a long and distinguished career as a leading epidemiologist. His reporting was FAR more accurate than Trump’s. And Gates’ foundation helped save 122 MILLION lives: https://medium.com/future-today/bill-and-melinda-gates-foundation-how-they-helped-save-122-million-lives-755a193d51a4. Your information sources are clearly unreliable.
“And besides, Covid does have a 98-plus% RECOVERY RATE…did you know that Derek?”
Yes, and so what? A high percentage of those who contract it–especially if they have an underlying condition–suffer serious side effects, and often long-term side effects. The flu typically kills 34,000 to 43,000 Americans a year. COVID killed about 500,000 in one year. That’s more than the total number of Americans killed in World War II, Korea and Vietnam COMBINED: https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-02-22/vaccine-efforts-redoubled-as-us-death-toll-draws-near-500k. And the saddest part is that it largely didn’t have to happen.
If Trump had maintained our pandemic task force and monitoring, if he had followed the pandemic playbook, if he had followed the advice of the world’s top epidemiologists and virologists, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Americans who died because of his actions would be alive today. Trump’s behavior and policies were criminal. He should be held accountable for that.
“Derek, you wrote a THESIS not a comment…..and as I read through it all, I am astonished at the lies you have been fed….it would take hours to address each inconsistency. Everything you have quoted from is left-leaning anti-Trump fake news agencies……you are being spoon-fed lies and half-truths.”
I was DELIBERATELY thorough and provided links to the source material for EVERY claim I made. I also used sources that rate high on reliability and low on bias, as you can see from the Media Bias Chart here: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/?v=402f03a963ba. What did you provide for evidence? Nothing. Your assertions are easy to debunk.
“Even your “Fact Finders” are ridiculous…….Republican Poll Watchers WERE barred & greatly hindered from their jobs.
I saw the MANY videos of this travesty, yet you only believe what Politifact says….a proven left leaning organization.”
PROVE IT. Fact checking agencies can only survive on their good reputations, and that means openness and access to their reference material for everyone to verify for themselves. When a fact checking agency makes a mistake, they RETRACT it immediately. There are virtually no hyperpartisan conservative fact checkers because the facts don’t support them.
I’m sure you have seen plenty of videos…but they don’t show what you think they do. As I mentioned before, all the same evidence was available in the 60-odd lawsuits conservatives brought concerning the election, and they were all thrown out for being without merit. ANYONE can take a video and attach claims to them intending to mislead, but investigations into all of them led to not a single case of significant voter fraud.
It takes some serious conspiracy theory thinking to claim that ALL those judges–even those conservative judges appointed by Trump and the Republicans–ignored the evidence. If ANY of those videos had had merit, they would have AT LEAST had their day in court.
“you did not even address when I showed you that it was OAN and NOT Mike Lindell who posted that disclaimer.”
What are you talking about? I responded to your point with this post:
Legitimate news sources never make disclaimers unless it’s an opinion piece. OAN wouldn’t have needed to put up a disclaimer if there had been credible evidence to support Lindell’s claims.
Scroll up and you’ll see. It’s post #19.
“So Derek, you are a “Progressive”………that alone disqualifies you from any discussion that is of any help. It’s “progressives” who are ruining our Nation in every way possible with stupid ungodly unscientific, socialist/Marxist & perverted agendas.”
Okay, you clearly haven’t done your research about the progressive position. Let me clear up a misunderstanding here: virtually NOBODY on the left advocates for the socialism the right freaks out about. The problem is that the term “socialism” is too broad and essentially meaningless, since it can refer to the USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, even Nazi Germany. But the term is ALSO used for the successful capitalist nations of northern Europe (the Scandinavian nations in particular). These are free market countries but with a strong social safety net and social services: https://www.lifeinnorway.net/scandinavian-socialism/. They don’t compare at all, but Scandinavian model is the one most leftists want. And why is that? Because the nations that subscribe to the Scandinavian model consistently rank among the happiest, healthiest, wealthiest and lowest crime nations in the world:
Happiest nations: https://worldhappiness.report/ed/2021/happiness-trust-and-deaths-under-covid-19/
Healthiest nations: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/healthiest-countries
Wealthiest nations: https://howmuch.net/articles/richest-countries-in-the-world
Lowest crime nations: https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/non-economic-data/worlds-safest-countries-2019
A free market, capitalist society functions BETTER when the wealthy are heavily taxed, and it makes nations happier, healthier and wealthier overall. Instead of every man for himself, it’s we’re all in this together. It’s better to help others climb the ladder than to pull the ladder up behind you.
Finally, it’s not the LEFT that is unscientific, it’s the RIGHT that is: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-antiscience-movement-is-escalating-going-global-and-killing-thousands/. Many conservatives STILL deny the pandemic is real, they deny climate change, they deny evolution, they deny vaccine effectiveness, and there are some who actually believe the world is flat! To be fair, the left has a few kooks, including some anti-vaxxers, but it’s the conservatives who are overwhelmingly the science deniers.
As for being “ungodly,” that’s a good thing. The nations with greater happiness, better health, better life expectancy, better education, better incomes, lower crime rates, lower abortion rates, lower teen pregnancy rates, lower STD rates and lower infant mortality than the United States (which is one of the most religious nations in the developed world, despite over a million Christians deconverting each year) are also among the most atheistic nations of the world: Finland, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland, Japan, France, South Korea, Germany, Netherlands, Austria, Iceland, Australia, Ireland, Denmark, the Czech Republic, Israel, Canada, the UK, etc. In contrast, the poorest, least healthy, least happy and most violent countries are also among the MOST religious nations, including South Sudan, Nigeria, Uganda, the Philippines, Afghanistan, Tanzania, Pakistan, Morocco, Egypt, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Yemen, El Salvador, Colombia, Senegal, Malawi, Indonesia, Brazil, Peru, Syria, Jordan, Algeria, Haiti, Botswana, Ghana, Venezuela, Mexico, Sierra Leone, etc. (More: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-secular-life/201410/secular-societies-fare-better-religious-societies, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_irreligion, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report, http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/healthiest-countries/)
And although correlation does not necessarily mean causation, atheism is correlated with higher intelligence, better education, better economic status, and lower incarceration rates. Atheists represent just 0.1% of the total US federal prison population, which is 31 times lower than the 3.1%+ of the general population who are atheists. Christians, OTOH, represent 70% of the total US federal prison population, which is nearly the same as the 75% of the general population who are Christians (http://thehumanist.com/commentary/nonbelievers-behind-bars-does-the-us-prison-system-privilege-religious-inmates, https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-prisoners-less-likely-to-be-atheists/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_the_United_States).
See, I know what I’m talking about because I actually study the data from the best sources available. You have only provided unsupported assertions.
“I sincerely pray you utilize some critical thinking and look on both sides of the issues….”
I did graduate work in science philosophy, so critical thinking is the foundation for everything I do. And yes, I look on all sides of any issue–and that includes watching Fox News, Breitbart, OAN and even Infowars, among others, and comparing all claims to the actual evidence. The left-wing media sources are by no means perfect, but they objectively make FAR fewer mistakes than the right, and unlike the right, they largely correct mistakes. Still, they are not the news sources I rely on the most, because I’m interested in the facts, not spin. So I use the sources at the top center of the Media Bias Chart, since they rate highest on reliability and lowest on bias. And if you don’t like the fact that your primary news sources score so poorly, look at the detail for how they make their evaluations. The MBC isn’t perfect, but it’s the only objective media evaluation organization available.
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April 22, 2021 at 6:54 pm
“I commend your excellent report and links of source evidence to back up your comments. That took a lot of time and research and you did a fantastic job. Elaine sarcasm has no stomach for a “Thesis”; Evidence and knowledge with supporting documents to verify are too tedious.”
Thank you, Leona, I appreciate the recognition that I put some effort into my research.
“People are made lazy that way and allow themselves to be made so when minds are like pliable putty. That’s a signal to be exploited by others so inclined.”
And for that I blame Faux News. The problem actually started in 1987 with the repeal of the law requiring news sources to present fair and balanced coverage of the new: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Fairness-Doctrine. But it wasn’t until Fox News started growing in the late ’90s that the divisions in this country grew out of control. By pushing a relentlessly, hyper-partisan conservative news source mixing opinion with regular reporting (so that viewers often have no idea whether a claim is actually true or just an opinion), they created a conservative bubble detached from reality. The Tea Party and then Trump were the inevitable result.
I really wish the Fairness Doctrine were reinstated. I think it’s the only way to bring the misinformed back to reality.
“Correction and chastisements are plentiful in scripture, however, speculators believe corrections apply only to others, leaving themselves free to disparage anyone and everybody who does not accept speculation.”
Absolutely! Have you seen this vicious argument between and Evangelical and a Catholic? https://theosophical.wordpress.com/2021/02/10/tempted-to-works-righteousness/. It’s impressive how certain they each are of each other’s complete delusion.
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April 22, 2021 at 10:25 pm
derekmathias
Absolutely! Have you seen this vicious argument between and Evangelical and a Catholic? https://theosophical.wordpress.com/2021/02/10/tempted-to-works-righteousness/. It’s impressive how certain they each are of each other’s complete delusion.
Yes I see what you mean. With 316 posts it is a book already….reading a few comments left me wondering what knowledge was hidden …..oh scriptures and scriptures…….eventually I simply scrolled the comments and realized they were only planting flags as ego is want to do thinking they will be heard by their much speaking. Reminds me of Matthew 6:7 about babbling to be heard by their much speaking. in one summary:
““The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They’re full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don’t fall for that nonsense.”
Then I arrived at the scroll’s end whew.
Thanks for the babbling Post, it was like a story I wrote one time about the babbling brook that babbled and babbled that seemed never to be babbling the same babble over and over but yes that’s was the effect of the babbling brook just babbling delusions.
Then I retired away as the babbling brook became the babbling book.about the Golden Delusion.
Thank you
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April 22, 2021 at 11:10 pm
17 boom boom boom plus plus plus – In Jesus Name
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April 23, 2021 at 10:06 am
Elaine ………. i just have to laugh when their side says things like they do. even as we speak people are trying to stop the state senate forensic audit of Maricopa county. you can’t make this stuff up. no county in America has done a full forensic audit but where they are trying to do one the libtards/rinos are fighting it tooth and nail. but where anything beyond a simple recount was performed serious problems were found.
one poor delusional person was mocking our side for stating the facts but yet was ignorant of the large number of ballots Fulton county “adjudicated.” it’s hilarious how gullible these people are.
i’ll be totally surprised if the Maricopa forensic audit does not find massive fraud because the statistical data shows it occurred. however if it does not ……
on very rare occasions people do fall from extremely high heights that should kill them but they don’t die.
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April 23, 2021 at 2:39 pm
Happy Friday Paul!
You hit the nail on the head in your first comment a few days ago when you stated how The Left complained and accused President Trump of voter fraud in the 2016 election.
Those false accusations lasted 4+ years while being plastered all over by the Fake News Media, Facebook, Twitter, Late Night Talk Shows, Hollywood Hasbeen’s and Google….YET with ZERO evidence to prove their lies……, just like President Trump’s two FAKE impeachments with ZERO evidence.
But now in the 2020 election we have 1000+ witnesses who have sworn an oath under penalty of imprisonment that they witnessed voter fraud WITH EVIDENCE and the Fake News Media, Facebook, Twitter, You Tube censors it and bans anyone who speaks of it….not only are they banned, but they are doxxed & threatened and called “conspiracy theorists.”
What are they hiding Paul? What are they afraid of? And now why are the Arizona Demoncrats trying to stop the Maricopa Audit?
Don’t they want transparency?
Are they fearful of transparency?…and if so, why?
Let’s see…..if I walked out of Home Depot and the store manager approached me and told me that that somebody witnessed me stuffing cabinet handles into my large purse, the FIRST thing I would do would be…….”Mr Manager, I will open my purse and dump the contents for you to see that I have not stolen a thing”…………
I would not argue with him, I would be open and truthful to prove my innocence.
So why aren’t the Demoncrats willing to “open their bags” to an audit to prove that the election was not stolen? That alone proves that they are not honest or integral.
Why is Big Tech & Fake News censoring THIS 2020 election discussion, yet plastered the 2016 election discussion all over the place?
Because they are guilty………guilty people never want to show you what’s in their bag…they scream and throw a tantrum to cover their guilt.
The two Leftists on this board are guilty of being led by the snout by their puppet-masters, and just because they “google” their manufactured facts from Leftist sources, they are brainwashed and corralled into the herd of sheeple who will sell their souls for a lie because they hate the truth.
John 8:32 – “You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.”
Paul, these two Leftist named D & L, as well as the rest of the Leftist sheeple chose the Bondage of Lies over Freedom in Truth.
The Leftist Democrats in 2012 (and even before) kicked God off of their platform and in that void, Satan has entered in and taken over their hearts & minds.
We need God in America again and with that is honesty, integrity and truth.
God bless President Trump, the rightful Commander-in-Chief and God bless America!!
And Paul, God bless you and remember, it’s not over…..not by a long shot! 🙂
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April 24, 2021 at 3:27 pm
Elaine ……….. GBY also and agreed —- but as you know one day the forces of evil will prevail world wide for a time. is the time now ? i agree with you
that “it’s not over…..not by a long shot!”
PTL ….. the last news on the Maricopa county audit is it’s still supposed to go ahead.
And as you know they are hiding the truth ………. that’s the only logical and reasonable explanation. because any sane person would’ve done a full forensic audit on day 1 based on the statistical anomalies recorded and what America went through since the 2016 election fraud accusations.
and hilariously ……. i wouldn’t be surprised if they also cheated in the 2016 election for killary too. but based on the polling they didn’t believe DJT would win and they didn’t have the extra cheating tool of mail in ballots because of the china virus pandemic. so they couldn’t rig it enough. in 2020 they had to ramp up the cheating so much it was exposed to all but those that refuse to look.
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April 25, 2021 at 2:10 pm
Paul V V
“it’s hilarious how gullible these people are.”
They told me I was gullible, and I believed them.
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April 25, 2021 at 3:42 pm
Elaine:
“We need God in America again and with that is honesty, integrity and truth.”
Sorry that won’t happen.
We remember what you did to his representative last time he was sent you And 2000 years later you are still bastardizing his name, his message and his mission. The Clerics said you were gullible and you believed them and follow them still.
Remember what he said. some time ago, about splendid habitations, towns, cities, countries?
“And thou, America, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.”
“Doom to you, Chorazin! Doom, Bethsaida! If Tyre and Sidon had seen half of the powerful miracles you have seen, they would have been on their knees in a minute. At Judgment Day they’ll get off easy compared to you. And you America like Capernaum! With all your peacock strutting, you are going to end up in the abyss. If the people of Sodom had had your chances, the city would still be around. At Judgment Day they’ll get off easy compared to you.”
One Sabbath, Jesus was strolling with his disciples through a field of ripe corn. Hungry, the disciples were pulling off the heads of corn and munching on them. Some Pharisees reported them to Jesus: “Your disciples are breaking the Sabbath rules!”
Jesus said, “Really? Didn’t you ever read what David and his companions did when they were hungry, how they entered the sanctuary and ate fresh bread off the altar, bread that no one but priests were allowed to eat? And didn’t you ever read in God’s Law that priests carrying out their Temple duties break Sabbath rules all the time and it’s not held against them?
“There is far more at stake here than religion. If you had any idea what this Scripture meant—‘I prefer a flexible heart to an inflexible ritual’—you wouldn’t be nitpicking like this. The Son of Man is no yes-man to the Sabbath. The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath; he’s in charge”
“This is war, and there is no neutral ground. If you’re not on my side, you’re the enemy; if you’re not helping, you’re making things worse.
“There’s nothing done or said that can’t be forgiven. But if you deliberately persist in your slanders against God’s Spirit, you are repudiating the very One who forgives. If you reject the Son of Man out of some misunderstanding, the Holy Spirit can forgive you, but when you reject the Holy Spirit, you’re sawing off the branch on which you’re sitting, severing by your own perversity all connection with the One who forgives.
“If you grow a healthy tree, you’ll pick healthy fruit. If you grow a diseased tree, you’ll pick worm-eaten fruit. The fruit tells you about the tree.
“You have minds like a snake pit! How do you suppose what you say is worth anything when you are so foul-minded? It’s your heart, not the dictionary, that gives meaning to your words. A good person produces good deeds and words season after season. An evil person is a blight on the orchard. Let me tell you something: Every one of these careless words is going to come back to haunt you. There will be a time of Reckoning. Words are powerful; take them seriously. Words can be your salvation. Words can also be your damnation.”
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April 25, 2021 at 5:48 pm
Miss Leona,
One more time – I don’t read any of your erratic comments because you twist Holy Scripture for your own delusional agenda just like Satan does….it’s sick.
You are arrogant as the contentious female of Proverbs 27:15…a constant drip…..so go drip somewhere else.
Please do not address me again.
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April 25, 2021 at 7:33 pm
Hi Paul!
Have you heard of Kill Chain?
https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/kill-chain-the-cyber-war-on-americas-elections
It was made in 2006 and it features Democrat politicians warning of & complaining about rigged voting machines and how foreign nations cause voting interference with the American voting system with these machines.
Now when PRESIDENT Trump and us Conservatives make that same claim, we are called “conspiracy theorists.”
You are SO RIGHT, they are trying to hide the truth….and is why they are making threats against all of the conservatives (and some democrats with conscience) who are conducting the Maricopa Audit.
The crooked Democrats tried to stop the audit but they would not come up with the million-plus dollars that the judge called for….so THANK GOD, the Audit continues.
And Paul, you said it PERFECTLY here….
“And as you know they are hiding the truth ………. that’s the only logical and reasonable explanation. because any sane person would’ve done a full forensic audit on day 1 based on the statistical anomalies recorded and what America went through since the 2016 election fraud accusations.”
AMEN PAUL!!! And you are right again…..no doubt that crooked Hillary was involved with cheating as well….her and John Podesta the pervert.
Years ago all of Hollywood and folks like Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton LOVED Donald J. Trump….but when you made his stance against globalization, as well as his stance for GOD and America-first, they were out to crucify him.
And you are right again, evil forces via antichrist, A.I. and the U.N will prevail throughout the world (for an allotted time) and antichrist will make war with the saints ~ Revelation 13:7 , but before that time comes, Paul I really believe eyes will be open and men & women will turn to Jesus Christ with a mighty outpouring of His Spirit.
All hell will break loose and satan will have his fun for a short time, but then Jesus will appear to take His Bride and then He will unleash HIS vengeance on a world who rejected his love, mercy and redemption.
Back to the rigged election, when the Maricopa Audit shows the rigging, it will not surprise me if these Audits spread to other states….and when the undeniable evidence is shown, then I cannot wait to see what happens.
I pray that those Politicians and those in Big Tech who have been a part of this cheating are brought before Military Tribunals….and that those in foreign nations are made to pay too.
A lot of them are going to be caught with their pants down and their polka dot underwear showing……..it’s going to be a great day to see justice served….especially for those who brought upon us this SCAMDEMIC, as well as those involved with pedophilia and human trafficking.
Meanwhile we pray that God will give strength to PRESIDENT Donald Trump, Gen Flynn, Ron DeSantis, Jim Jordan (and others of integrity in Politics) and the tens of millions of Christians, Patriots & Conservatives as they pray and stand strong for integrity and honesty.
Meanwhile as we pray and watch this movie play out, it’s best to redeem this time to reach out to folks with love and the Good News of Jesus Christ.
God bless you Paul and let’s MAGA!!!
~Elaine 🙂
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April 25, 2021 at 11:09 pm
Does not comport with the soother you are use to, but that’s what happens when you are on the wrong side of life. But there is consolers on the same side you can run to for a steady fix of speculation conspiracy. A piteous pursuit for support with pretentious charm, I can see right through vanity, you’re not fooling anybody with your mocking words for which you are now forced to give an account of and it is bothering you ,as it should. And you run to Paul for rescue. You should run to Jesus.
Unless you halt and repent you will be gnashing your teeth just as the word says. If you were right you would not feel a need to disparage others just to fit in with your clique. Jesus says take the plank out of your own eye instead of looking for the splinters in other eyes.
The Jesus message is as much for you as it is for me and I can not fight against it which makes my life wonderful and I can communicate with anybody in peace. You are not at peace are you. That is a red flag for every member humanity, to welcome if you can but you cannot run from chastisement as easily as you can dish it out to others. It doesn’t work that way.
But I say to you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by your words you shalt be justified, and by your words you shalt be condemned.
And you won’t like this either; the day of judgment you just read is upon you now as I speak, and that future day of judgment is no longer in the future it is knocking and I am the warning knocking on your door.
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April 26, 2021 at 2:57 pm
Elaine………. PTL and i totally agree.
no i haven’t heard of the “kill chain” but i’ll try and check it out.
i haven’t even had time to check on the latest about Maricopa county audit called by the Az senate. last i heard the judge hearing the case to stop/limit the audit recused himself because 1 of the lawyers on our side ??? apparently clerked for him or something silly like that ??? and reports of blm/antifa on the way there to protest the audit.
you can’t make this stuff up. the libtards/rinos are fighting tooth and nail to stop an audit that they swear will find zero/zip/nada election fraud.
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April 26, 2021 at 3:25 pm
Hi Paul,
Kill Chain features Amy Klobuchar, Dick Blumenthal and other democrats…… the double standard is astounding.
I just read about that judge and there could be a justifiable conflict of interest or else he is being threatened….and I think it’s the latter.
All of these judges who have refused the election fraud cases have neglected to even LOOK at them……that spells “being threatened or blackmailed” to me…..because a JUST Judge would of course look at the cases before making such a determination…….so for sure there is shenanigans going on.
Paul, you are 100% right because the more their protest the Audit, it proves how guilty they are.
Then they pay these single-digit IQ Communist Antifa & Marxist BLM’ers to cause destruction & chaos and that too is absolute proof that they cheated.
All will be exposed, I truly believe that Paul.
Hey do you ever listen to X22 or “And we know…” on Rumble?
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April 26, 2021 at 4:08 pm
Elaine…….. thx for the info —- those 2 (Amy & Dick) are out to lunch. I couldn’t believe how far left the democrats went.
again, i don’t disagree but hopefully it’ll be exposed shortly and on this side.
not familiar with “And we know…” i spend most of my time arguing, because they want and argument, on youtube/Brietbart
but my accounts were suspended and my comments deleted because i kept trying to expose the 2020 election fraud.
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April 26, 2021 at 4:38 pm
Paul, take your suspension as a BADGE OF HONOR for standing for the truth!
So many wonderful Patriots who had platforms on YouTube are now on Rumble, Brighteon…and then there is Telegram.
The Big Tech guys are wicked and disgusting and they are totally in bed with the CCP as well as Hussein Obama & Soros.
Paul, here are a few links to “And We Know”
https://rumble.com/vepdpb-3.16.21-the-deep-darkness-is-slowing-being-exposed-pray.html
https://rumble.com/vfx7g7-ep.-2458b-hidden-messages-in-a-picture-think-andrew-jackson-we-have-more-th.html
https://rumble.com/vfv1o9-4.20.21-lies-continue-to-be-revealed-all-hands-on-deck-for-this-fight-pray.html
Bannon’s War Room is excellent too!
https://rumble.com/vg4f5h-episode-901-the-new-divinity-of-scientism-how-america-abandoned-religion-fo.html
https://rumble.com/vg4cw3-episode-900-masked-gestapo-the-push-back-against-medical-tyranny-and-church.html
These are just a few of so many!!
Enjoy, and may the Lord bless you and shine His Face upon you!
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April 27, 2021 at 12:27 am
Paul. check this out from “And we know….”
https://rumble.com/vg3z33-4.26.21-all-lies-are-coming-to-light-literally-popcorn-ready-pray.html
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April 27, 2021 at 6:28 pm
Elaine………… thx for the links, checked out a few ….. very interesting times. the libtards/rinos are still trying to stop the Az senate Maricopa county audit …
you can’t make this stuff up.
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April 27, 2021 at 8:34 pm
Ohmygoodness Paul,
The Left / Demoncrats are making total fools of themselves and showing everyone how desperate they are to hide the truth which only proves how guilty they are.
If somebody is innocent, they are transparent and they welcome scrutiny to prove their innocence……not so with the Demoncrats and RINOS.
But the Audit goes on….thank God! 🙂
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April 29, 2021 at 3:13 pm
“But Paul, this is not over……the 78 million LIVE Americans who voted for the re-election of President Donald J. Trump will not be silenced and for the most part, they are praying to Jesus to right this wrong.”
So much wrong with that sentence….
First, the 78 million number is what Trump claimed, and he’s infamous for exaggerating his numbers and outright lying. He actually received fewer than 75 million votes vs. Biden’s over 81 million votes: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/president-results. That’s how elections work: the person with the higher vote total wins.
Second, nobody’s being silenced. Your vote is your voice. If you didn’t like the outcome of this vote, vote for your preferred candidate in the next election. If more voters vote as you do, then you’ll win. But you lost this election.
Third, prayer doesn’t work. If you don’t believe me, pray that the 30,000+ children who will die in slow, lingering agony from disease and starvation over the next 24 hours DON’T suffer and die, and instead live long, happy lives. And you should be confident it’ll work, too, because the Bible tells you it will. A few examples:
• John 14:13-14 Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.
• Mark 11:22-24 “Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. “Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.”
• Matthew 7:7-8 Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.
• Matthew 17:20 “Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
• Matthew 18:19 Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.
• Matthew 21:22 If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.
But…you and I both know it won’t work. Not even slightly. The only prayers that SEEM to work are those that are for things that can happen on their own naturally. But pray for something that would require a genuine miracle? It’ll never work…and I think you know that.
And finally, there is no wrong to right. As I pointed out before, Trump’s own administration admitted it was the most secure election in history. And despite claiming voter fraud over and over again, NONE of the 60 cases presented to the judges provided any credible evidence of voter fraud.
“All of these judges who have refused the election fraud cases have neglected to even LOOK at them……that spells “being threatened or blackmailed” to me…..because a JUST Judge would of course look at the cases before making such a determination…….so for sure there is shenanigans going on.”
What in the world makes you think the judges didn’t even look at the cases? They HAVE to look at every case to determine whether the evidence provided is sufficient to warrant going to court. That’s how they determine whether or not to throw out a case. In each of the 60 or so cases presented there was no credible evidence, which was why they were thrown out. You know, it’s not hard to fact-check claims: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-courts-election/fact-check-courts-have-dismissed-multiple-lawsuits-of-alleged-electoral-fraud-presented-by-trump-campaign-idUSKBN2AF1G1
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April 29, 2021 at 3:32 pm
Derek, I skimmed your comment and found it not worth my time to read it word by word.
Fine, you think Sleepy Joe received more votes than Obama and President Trump, so ahead and believe it….time will tell.
You don’t believe that Jesus answers prayer, go and believe that too……and one day you will regret it,
Why are you even on this platform?
Go to Facebook, Nextdoor & Twitter, you will be at home there.
Bye bye.
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April 29, 2021 at 3:55 pm
@Elaine
Hello again, Elaine. You ask why certain persons are on this platform. Atheists have this need to convince others that their view of reality is correct. Many of them are driven by politics. They believe that people whose beliefs are informed by the Bible and who are politically active are threats to society, so part of their strategy is to undermine faith in God. If they can convince many Christians that their beliefs are irrational, they will weaken the political potency of the Right. That’s why some of them are literally obsessed with going on theistic websites to “prove” that our fundamental beliefs are irrational. People who are trained in apologetics can easily hold their own against the vast majority of the objections they typically hear from skeptics, but there aren’t too many of them here.
Jason, to his credit, does what he can to interact with dissenters, but he’s far too busy to maintain a constant presence, and without “regulars” who are able to engage skeptics, the effort appears to be counterproductive. On the other hand, perhaps it is the case that most readers don’t read the comments under the articles. If so, then Jason is definitely providing a great service to those who share his points of view.
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April 29, 2021 at 4:14 pm
Paul: “i’ll be totally surprised if the Maricopa forensic audit does not find massive fraud because the statistical data shows it occurred.”
Elaine: “There is no doubt that this election was stolen, but it is not over….not by a long shot.”
You both appear completely convinced of this. Meanwhile, I know how virtually impossible it is to actually get away with any significant election fraud. So how about a wager? I’ll bet you each $1,000 that no massive voter fraud will be discovered and that Biden’s election won’t be overturned. You just have to agree to pay up if you lose, and I’ll pay up if I lose. Fair enough? (Only one of the creationists and conservatives I’ve made bets with has had the honor to pay up when he lost.)
BTW, the reason so many people are objecting to the audit is because it’s being done in secret by an unknown company with evidently no election experience, run by conspiracy theorists and QAnon supporters: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/26/republicans-arizona-vote-audit-florida-484737. There’s nothing wrong with audits, but it has to be an open process by a reputable organization for it to be considered legitimate.
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April 29, 2021 at 4:27 pm
Scalia, I totally agree with what you said about the strategy of the Atheists and trying to prove their points and their attempt to dilute somebody’s Christian faith.
I have known people who claim they are atheists, but who are pretty nice people and the reason they are atheists is because they have had really bad experiences in their prior church experience.. (especially Catholic)
They never really studied the Bible, never actually became acquainted with the love of God……so they throw their hands up and decided that there must not be a God who cares or loves them.
Those people are the type I love to be around……I have seen these same types (in time) become very strong Spirit-filled believers.
But then you get the true Atheist (useful tools of the devil) who willfully determines in his/her heart that they will perpetually be at war with anything decent, moral, clean and good……(which pretty much describes the present Democrat-Socialist party)…….and it is evident by the policies they push that, in every way possible opposes the principles and law of God. That also includes so many in Hollywood, the mainstream media and those in higher and now lower education.
I am not against education at all, but that student better be equipped with the Whole Armor of God to resist the arrows of Marxist, atheism and immorality that may try to creep into his/her spirit…..in fact I am more for trade schools.
Anyway on Jason’s behalf, I know he holds down a full time job and supports a family and they need his time, so it’s really hard for him to reply or comment on all of our comments…….he is a great guy and we have known him for years.
Scalia, I sincerely appreciate all of your comments and your knowledge of the scriptures.
God bless you!!!!!! 🙂
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April 29, 2021 at 4:34 pm
“Derek, I skimmed your comment and found it not worth my time to read it word by word.”
Yes, I didn’t think you could provide any credible evidence against my points.
“Fine, you think Sleepy Joe received more votes than Obama and President Trump, so ahead and believe it….time will tell.”
Feel free to take me up on that wager. 🙂
“You don’t believe that Jesus answers prayer, go and believe that too……and one day you will regret it,”
Well, if prayer works, then surely you can point to an indisputable miracle, right? Or try it out yourself and see if God will save those children’s lives, or perhaps causes an amputee’s missing limbs to grow back, or whatever couldn’t happen on its own. What’s the harm in trying? Or…do you know deep down that won’t work?
Interestingly, the largest study on the effectiveness of prayer (on heart surgery patients) showed that prayer may actually make survival worse: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/12082681/ns/health-heart_health/t/power-prayer-flunks-unusual-test/#.WB_L4i0rL-g.
“Why are you even on this platform?”
Because I’m genuinely curious about what people believe and why. It’s why I studied the Bible and why I like to pose to believers the questions that occurred to me. Mostly, I find people never think through the implications of what the Bible says, but every now and then I’m surprised and delighted by someone presenting an explanation that actually makes sense. I wish more Christians actually read the entire Bible, though. Most never have.
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April 29, 2021 at 4:57 pm
“But then you get the true Atheist (useful tools of the devil) who willfully determines in his/her heart that they will perpetually be at war with anything decent, moral, clean and good……(which pretty much describes the present Democrat-Socialist party)…….and it is evident by the policies they push that, in every way possible opposes the principles and law of God. That also includes so many in Hollywood, the mainstream media and those in higher and now lower education.”
Most atheists are good people who genuinely want what’s best for society. If they weren’t, they would be overrepresented in prison populations instead of vastly underrepresented, and the nations with the lowest crime rates wouldn’t also be nations with the highest proportion of atheists. Churches have been demonizing and persecuting atheists for millennia, accusing them of being “at war with anything decent, moral, clean and good,” which is simply false. Atheism is nothing more than a lack of belief in gods. It’s not anti-theism and it’s not immoral.
And it seems quite contradictory that you would accuse atheists of immorality and yet also be such a Trump supporter. It’s easy to demonstrate how Trump lies constantly, that he was divorced twice, that he cheated on his wives, that he’s self-centered and vain, that he’s motivated by the love of money, that he never turns the other cheek, that he punches down, that he mocks evangelicals in private (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-evangelicals-condescending-remarks-michael-cohen-2020-9), that he clearly never even read the Bible–all things that go against what Christians have long claimed to believe and what really mattered to them…until Trump came along.
What possible appeal does he have for you? Are you willing to look the other way simply because he appointed baldly conservative judges? Or do you like that he favored Christian privilege over the rights of other religions? I’m genuinely baffled here.
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April 29, 2021 at 5:14 pm
“People who are trained in apologetics can easily hold their own against the vast majority of the objections they typically hear from skeptics, but there aren’t too many of them here.”
Actually, I’ve yet to find a single apologist whose arguments aren’t either some form of fallacy or a simple error of fact. And I’ve argued with a lot of them over the decades. Creationists especially, but also those who try to defend the problem of evil, Aquinas’ Five Ways, the moral argument, the Kalam, historicity of the Bible, presuppositionalism, and so on and so on.
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April 29, 2021 at 5:22 pm
Ok Derek, I will reply on this one issue for now.
We are in a fallen world and satan is the god of this world.
Sin, immorality and wickedness is extremely rampant because so many people ignore or reject the laws of God…which is basically to love Him and to love our Neighbor.
Sexual and physical abuse against children is (in my opinion) one of the most horrific things ever and it directly opposes the principles of God and His Word.
SO, God can either work by His direct power or through people who lend themselves to do HIS work on the behalf of rescuing these kids.
This is why there are God-fearing men like Victor Marx & Tim Ballard and thousands of others are risking their lives to save these kids.
If God struck dead everybody who hurt a child, then HE should also strike dead everyone who hurts the elderly (like Andrew Cuomo)……….then He should also strike dead every murderer, every adulterer, every fornicator, then every thief, and every liar…..and that would make the population of planet earth a big fat ZERO.
Yes, God has visited serious judgment on people who have caused pain & suffering for others……..but He also works through willing human vessels who partner with Him to do that job.
Have you seen the trailer for Sound of Freedom? It’s worth watching and only a few minutes long……based on the true story of Tim Ballard and Special Forces Teams who rescue children from the monster pedophiles…and they do this work in the Name of God.
Also Victor Marx and his team of Special Forces & therapists have gone to places like Syria & Iraq where Yazidis and others women & kids have been human trafficked & tortured and has rescued them.
As a child, Victor Marx was horribly sexually abused and physically abused…..but through his pain, he gave himself to God and now God uses him in huge ways to help thousands in other countries as well as in Youth Detention Centers.
https://victormarx.com/the-victor-marx-story/
And again, these are just 2 examples.
So instead of saying “why isn’t God helping”….how about realizing that these atrocities are committed because VERY bad people ignore God’s love and His laws and nstead desire to bring suffering to others, even the most innocent.
Don’t you understand Derek, that the people who hurt children whether they are from the Vatican, a daycare-center-gone-wrong, Epstein Island, Hollywood etc, they are opposing God laws and God’s love?…….those people will meet their terrifying judgment and in the meantime, if we see or hear of any child who is being abused, it’s up to you & me do God’s work to speak out and help them in anyway possible.
You do not have to answer me at all, but only to yourself……what have YOU Derek done to help abused children?
This is why one of the greatest gifts to mankind from God is a CONSCIENCE…to know what is right & wrong and act accordingly.
Those who have seared their consciences, believe “right is wrong” and “wrong is right” and through their seared conscience their quest for perversion and money, they commit these acts.
Those WITH a conscience partner with The Lord to do good and conquer evil.
It’s the highest calling. That is what real life is all about.
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April 29, 2021 at 6:03 pm
Derek, seriously, why don’t you just live and let live then?
You have your beliefs and other have theirs….end of story.
There is a lot of life to live in this world and if you spend so much time trying to convince people that they are wrong and you are right, what have you really gained?
Pretty soon you will be a very old man wondering where you life has gone.
Personally I don’t even have time to comment on this platform, and I am working my job at home on my computer and then I get a notification after notification from Jason’s site, and I stop my work and I comment.
I like to comment and I like to read many (not all) of other’s comments….. but it is not my life…….but it seems to be yours and I don’t say that in a mean way…..but debating can be very addicting, especially via the internet.
Derek, just relax and believe what you want…..and allow others to do the same…….don’t make it your goal in life to change people.
Go to the beach and watch the ocean waves, look up at the blue sky and see the wonders of God’s creation and breath in the fresh air without a ^%&#@ mask.
Just don’t get so hung up on debating, it’s a time-robber.
Now I need to practice what I preach and get back to work and finish getting dinner ready for my family.
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April 30, 2021 at 6:33 am
Elaine says:
“they will perpetually be at war with anything decent, moral, clean and good……(which pretty much describes the present Democrat-Socialist party)…
“decent, moral, clean and good” ??? is that not vinegar in a wound coming from Elaine’s mouth, the same friendless mouth that spew’s venomous words against everybody offering knowledge and reason and the proof she loathes?
Speculators hate knowledge which is why she “skimmed” over Derek’s post lest she be converted and made whole (although I hasten to add that one cannot believe a word that comes out of her mind, like smoke, the sport of every wind.
It would destroy her self esteem undoubtedly for her to accept that she has been wrong all this time and wasted her life away in nonsense.
Thomas Jefferson met many Elaines in his generation for which this famous quote sums up:
“Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason, and the mind becomes a wreck.”
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April 30, 2021 at 8:34 pm
derekmathais ……….. lol ……… of course oh delusional one because the statistical data proves it. that data is evidence proving something unprecedented occurred. never before did those same events occur …..
no way Pres Trump won that many counties, increased his vote and lost especially when you add the evidence of the mail in ballot bs along as the “adjudicating” all of those ballots in Fulton county. plus why did only Pres Trump and his supporters want a full forensic audit ? no one did one except for the Az senate Maricopa county one in progress …….. which the libtards/rinos were still trying to stop recently and fake news is spinning as fraud to steal votes from Biden.
lol …………. now as i said —– is it possible in the very few counties in the very few key states Biden needed to win he got way higher winning percentages than he got in other counties in that same state —– yes but the odds are so small it’s almost mathematically impossible.
lol …………. but you see as always im not wrong —- because if no fraud is found in Maricopa and i mean no fraud that would’ve changed the nov 2020 election —— massive fraud still occurred by those that swore statements saying they saw the illegal activity. doesn’t matter to me who goes to jail/gitmo another win/win for me.
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April 30, 2021 at 9:28 pm
Amen Paul…….the Leftist Social Demoncrats are scared & desperate that their scheme(s) will be exposed…..this is why they are trying to shut it down.
What’s happening in Maricopa is going to spread to the other states in question……..and I cannot wait.
I am so thankful that President Trump did not concede…..he warned us prior to the election that they were going to cheat……..but he was 10 steps ahead of them and Space Force cyber security tracked all of the foreign interference via the internet connection (which Dominion claimed they didn’t use)….they have ALL of the evidence!
OH HAPPY DAY when this is all revealed. 🙂
PS. If Biden would have won fair & square, then President Trump would have conceded…….but no way did Sleepy Joe win.
Even his State if the Union viewing audience was almost as bleak as the perverted Oscars that only stupid people watch.
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May 1, 2021 at 1:32 pm
Elaine ………. there’s 2 groups opposing massive voter fraud and pardon my language but no time for pleasantries anymore —– A. useful idiots or B. gaslighters.
group A. just hasn’t done the research or wants to believe the lie. there’s no evidence/all the court cases were dismissed/the recounts proved massive fraud did not happen/nothing to see here move along/etc…..
group B. can see the problems we see but denies them to intentionally gaslight us to advance their agenda.
as you know it’s so easy to resolve —– here’s just 1 of several examples we could use. a person at the elections office makes a sworn affidavit they saw huge numbers of mail in ballots that were not folded/didn’t have a fold in them. that would be a crime because mail in ballots were folded to get in the envelopes —- a very serious crime if true and if false the person that made that affidavit committed a serious crime —- perjury. so the fbi or appropriate law enforcement agency should do what ? go to the place where those “ballots” are and look at them. no need for a fancy crime scene investigation for this problem at this point —- if the agent/detective/cop doesn’t see a fold mark in the paper for a large number of those ballots you start an investigation into massive voter fraud by doing a full forensic audit c/w signature identification and questioning the person that counted those ballots. if there are fold marks you investigate the person that made the affidavit for perjury.
but that’s common sense and people like derekmathais and Leona The Greater don’t have that. im guessing you too —- but if this was the other way around i’d still be arguing for the audits because it’s about election integrity NOT who was declared the winner.
im glad he didn’t concede either or the full extent of the swamp’s reach would not have been exposed. even some card carrying democrats are starting to wake up and say —— something fishy happened and wherever anything was done beyond a simple recount fraud was exposed.
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May 1, 2021 at 1:45 pm
Leona The Greater……….. sorry Leo but it’s people like you and derekmathais that lack common sense, logic and reason. people like Elaine, Naz, TR and myself
even scalia on occasion use common sense, logic and reason.
lol ……….. you ignore the evidence that proves you wrong and embellish the evidence you believe proves you right.
sorry ive done the research and the argument against massive election fraud is laughable. even if the full forensic audit at Maricopa county does not provide the evidence we believe it will —– that does not negate the horrible state of the elections system in America. even 3rd word countries run a more secure election than the gong show that just happened ~5 months ago.
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May 2, 2021 at 7:06 pm
Frankly, Paul:
Here is a truth. Of all the posters on this site I have never met anybody with as much, let alone more, common sense and intellectual adroitness than derekemathias. Nada, non, niet, not one. It is my distinct privilege to be able to discern that in derekmathias.
I don’t know who you think Leo The Greater is but my guess is that you cannot accept that the Son of Man’s return may be in the guise of the Daughters of Woman; In fact, there are now two Sons of Man in the guise of the Daughters of Woman who have just recently discovered, developed and conquered the cure-for-all-disease threshold, hereditary and acquired, thereby eliminating death by disease from planet earth. And it is in the “Here And Now” by knowledge, not in the “There And Then”, by belief and prayer. And I, being a witness to the watch “For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shines even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.”, may share it accordingly. My guess is that you have not seen or heard about it but I have and it is phenomenally wonderful to know….not to believe, but to know…..and I further submit that if you did hear about it, like so many egoists are refusing the vaccine, the coming will be as rejected this time as it was the last time in the same way that the righteous went on being righteous and the filthy remained filthy still. Why is that? You said: “which is very human of them.”
Ego and vanity dancing together in the final refrain. Before you know it, he’s trotting behind her conspiracy, like a calf led to the butcher shop, Like a stag lured into ambush and then shot with an arrow, Like a bird flying into a net
not knowing that its flying life is over. So, listen to me, take these words of mine most seriously. Don’t fool around with vanity like that; don’t even stroll through her neighborhood. Countless victims come under her spell; she’s the death of many a poor man.
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May 2, 2021 at 8:10 pm
Leona, lol ……… derekmathais is so lost he cant even see the difference between shooting a home invader and some one you invited into your house and didn’t give you a reason to shoot them.
but just look at your and his comments here, same for others. most of the court case were ‘dismissed’ because of standing, not that the evidence and there’s a boat load of evidence, was disproven. and hilariously the scotus should’ve took a couple of the case —- because it’s irrelevant how you believe the decision should go, changes were made to some states election laws that needed to be adjudicated by them.
see goes back to the main problem —- like you he dismisses all the evidence and embellishes his evidence which we easily refute. all of the checks to date were just recounts which wouldn’t find any of the fraud that’s been claimed. even the ‘audits’ were only sample audits and again
wouldn’t find the fraud that’s been claimed. and this was claimed in sworn affidavits which where i live is evidence and if false would mean you could be charged with perjury.
where further testing has been done more fraud was exposed — vote switching. the Az senate Maricopa county forensic audit is the only serious look into the claimed fraud that will determine if fraud occurred.
and as i said —– massive fraud did occur the only question is who did it
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May 2, 2021 at 11:31 pm
Hi Paul,
I believe I have an idea who is behind this massive voter fraud….it’s a combination of these entities working together – China, Italy, Soros, Marxist globalists in high places, Democrats and RINOS….and as far as I’m concerned, satan is giving them them their marching orders.
President Trump is anti-globalist…..he believes in American sovereignty and borders………that is one of the main reasons they hate him.
Of course they have a long list of other reasons why President Trump does not fit into their agenda as well.
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May 2, 2021 at 11:45 pm
PS. Paul – here is a website you might find interesting……check out all of the documentation….
https://www.sidneypowell.com/evidence-of-foreign-interference
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May 3, 2021 at 9:26 am
Paul remember we did not throw out the evidence nor did the 50 to 60 Courts because there was no evidence. Affidavits are just what you say in written transcripts and signed and notarized by a Notary or lawyer or a commissioner for taking oaths that simply says what the affidavit owner states what is in the affidavit is true, not that the statement in the Affidavit is true. And some affidavits were walked back by those who owned-up as being untrue.
I will grant you that there was an attempt to cause massive fraud but that attempt was by Trump’s appointee, Louis DeJoy, I’m sure you heard of that guy that the Judges ordered to deliver the mail, put back the mail-in ballot receptacles that they removed and threw monkey wrenches into the fastest mail sorting machines made by man.
HEADLINE: “Trump admits he’s blocking postal cash to stop mail-in votes”
LINK: https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-election-2020-ap-top-news-elections-politics-14a2ceda724623604cc8d8e5ab9890ed
Here’s another LINK: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/04/us/politics/usps-ballots.html
Here you don’t have to look it up. Here it is short and sweet:
“A federal judge on Wednesday threatened to call Postmaster General Louis DeJoy to appear before him, expressing frustration with the Postal Service’s slow response in carrying out Election Day sweeps of postal facilities looking for undelivered ballots.
“The postmaster is either going have to be deposed or appear before me,” said Judge Emmet G. Sullivan of the District of Columbia, as he continued to monitor the agency’s performance delivering ballots, which can be counted for days after the election in many states.
On Tuesday, Judge Sullivan had ordered inspectors to sweep facilities in 12 districts after the Postal Service said in court that some 300,000 ballots it had received had not been scanned for delivery. He said he was particularly concerned about ballot delivery in key swing districts with low on-time delivery scores, including Central Pennsylvania, Philadelphia and Detroit.”
Paul, even though you know that they will not find fraud in Maricopa either, because you already explained why they would not if they could not, but, if they do find fraud it will be because they found a way to secretly manipulate the 3 million or so ballots they had a court order to possess for the audit, but also blocked the main Media from simply watching the event as it happened. The Republicans wanted no interference as they determined how to manipulate the ballots in Trump’s favor.
And Paul, goodness me, I know you are intelligent because you know how to explain things, but you know that when an Affidavit is submitted in court and later exposed to be false, sure it could bring a jail term but that’s only if the evidence proves it false, but all the Affidavits were thrown out because all Affidavits do in court is state the fraud existed and was witnessed by so and so….however, when the Judge saw the Affidavits, the Judge said okay let’s see the evidence that supports the Affidavits’ claims occurred and guess what?
No evidence was, or could be, submitted so the Affidavits were useless. And whether the Affidavits were true or false it doesn’t matter because Affidavits by themselves mean nothing, they have no had no effect whatever without evidence to support them, and without evidence they are dismissed, not because the affidavits were true as you believe and not because they were false as others believe; the reasons is because Affidavits cannot be true or false unless the evidence supports them and therefore they are neither true nor false UNTIL the evidence (Knowledge not Belief) verifies the Affidavits true or false. Without verifiable evidence Affidavits are useless so if useless nobody can be found truthful or perjured. Only a cave man living in a dark cave would not know that the dark is because of the absence of light, and not because darkness is a creepy crawly thing that has any substance of its own. Such is the Affidavit and I don’t care how many thousands or millions you have or only one! Evidence proves the Affidavit true or false otherwise it is just a useless piece of paper like the paper it’s written on if it cannot be proven to be true or false. If you have evidence and then the Affidavit is proven false, then and only then would you be in jeopardy of going to jail but without evidence you can still claim the earth is flat; you can even claim that people are raised from the dead; if you don’t have the evidence but lots of written accounts like Affidavits only; well, good luck trying to prove it happened
because
belief requires no evidence to be claimed by Affidavit alone. You have a Bible full of Affidavits and other religions have lots of Holy Books and tons of Affidavits too.
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May 3, 2021 at 9:35 am
One nice thing about egotists, they don’t talk about other people.
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May 3, 2021 at 11:23 am
Leona……….. sorry but the people that say there’s no evidence of massive fraud/it’s been disproven/etc ……. are delusional and i say that with love. the ones that are ignorant i give a pass on being delusional until i explain the situation and if they agree with you and derekmathais —- they go to the delusional column. now that’s not referring to a few democrats that agree something very fishy is going on but it hasn’t been proven to them yet —- those people i give a pass.
see the question is not “did” massive fraud occur ? the question is “could” massive fraud have occurred ? to prove “did” you have to do an “audit” like they are doing in Maricopa county. to prove “could” has been done already by Killary and her minions including fake news way back after the 2016 election.
not a computer expert but worked with them enough to know ……… you can edit a file and save the edit so now only the edit can easily be seen. if that was a scan of a document you can now print the edit and you have a new edited document. now you shred the original document ….. voila you have fraud that won’t show up in a simple recount.
if you have video of a woman in a large room with lots of cubicles and her desk has a computer and printer & is piled high with lots of mail in ballots plus you have affidavits/evidence of shredded ballots/unfolded mail in ballots/officials admitting vote images can be changed by computer/etc…….
voila massive fraud “could” have occurred to say otherwise is delusional.
again, when told these problems and that a simple recount wouldn’t find them/couldn’t find them the officials that said no fraud occurred just did a simple recount that wouldn’t prove anything fraudulent claimed happened.
then when pushed they did a “sample audit” and surprise surprise no fraud.
but that’s like asking the accountant you think is stealing your money —- did you steal from me ?
even if the Az “audit” doesn’t show what we believe it will show as other deep dives into the data have shown …….. no problem because it just exposes the problems where massive fraud could occur and checks/balances that need to be installed to ensure election integrity. plus either way —- if the libtards/rinos didn’t commit massive fraud some one else did. either it was by conservatives or some other unknown group which saw the problems with the system and did it to gaslight us.
but based on all of the evidence either massive fraud was committed by the libtards/rinos that were trying to get Pres Trump removed from office for more than 4 yrs OR the biggest fluke of numerous events that just happened perfectly by chance to get Beijing Biden elected.
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May 3, 2021 at 11:38 am
Elaine ……… i agree with you and at least this “issue” is opening the eyes of a few people on the other side to how deep and wide the swamp really is.
they have probably been cheating for decades but it didn’t really matter because of the uni party (libtards/rinos) all want the same thing. it was nice to see Pres Trump stand up to the globalist nut jobs for his 1st term anyway —- he got so many votes in 2020 they had to stop counting so they could “adjudicate”
more biden votes.
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May 3, 2021 at 12:24 pm
@Elaine, you write:
Indeed, one of my friends was a professor of political philosophy and he’s an atheist. He;s one of the most congenial, polite persons you’d ever want to meet. They’re out there, but they seem few and far between I guess because the noisemakers get all the attention.
I think you’d thoroughly enjoy the dialog between Alex O’Connor (a young, extremely bright atheist) and William Lane Craig. It’s a pristine example of the kind of dialog that should occur between persons of goodwill. Perhaps O’Connor isn’t old enough to learn otherwise, but he doesn’t insist that he’s right when confronted with arguments he may not know how to address:
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May 4, 2021 at 1:06 pm
“of course oh delusional one because the statistical data proves it. that data is evidence proving something unprecedented occurred. never before did those same events occur …..”
Except that it DOESN’T prove it. These claims were thrown out of court because none of the claims were supported by any credible evidence.
But I think you must realize this on some level, since you didn’t take me up on my bet. Yet I’M the delusional one? 😉
“no way Pres Trump won that many counties, increased his vote and lost”
Yeah, the only way Trump could have lost is if more people came out to vote for Biden. Oh, wait…they did. By 7 million votes. Anyone who watches the high reliability, low bias media sites wasn’t all that surprised by this. Those who watch low reliability, high bias media (like Fox News, Breitbart, OAN, Infowars, etc.) were shocked…because they had been fed fake news. They shouldn’t have been surprised, though, considering Trump did not fare well in any of the reliable polls, he never reached even 50% approval among Americans, his handling of the pandemic was a disaster that resulted in the US suffering 20% of deaths despite having only 4% of the world population, he coddled white supremacists and religious bigots, he committed sedition that instigated the insurgency against the Capitol, he damaged relationships with our allies and cozied up to our authoritarian enemies, he dismissed the existential threat of climate change, he was impeached twice for obstruction of justice and incitement of insurrection, he filled his cabinet with unqualified family members and fellow swamp monsters, he filled many judge seats with unqualified partisans rather than qualified candidates, many traditional Republicans think he is a disaster who has only hurt the GOP, he divided our country more than any president in modern history…the list goes on and on. And he did almost nothing to actually HELP our country. So if you were surprised Trump lost, you weren’t paying attention to credible news sources.
“especially when you add the evidence of the mail in ballot bs along as the “adjudicating” all of those ballots in Fulton county.”
Check ANY of the fact checking sites and you’ll see the claims about ballot fraud in Fulton county are unsupported by any credible evidence:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fulton-county-warehouse-fak/fact-check-a-fulton-county-warehouse-was-not-filled-with-fake-ballots-idUSKBN29B23D
https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-check-donald-trump-georgia-elections-atlanta-c23d10e5299e14daee6109885f7dafa9
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/facebook-posts/no-georgia-election-workers-didnt-kick-out-observe/
“plus why did only Pres Trump and his supporters want a full forensic audit ?”
For the same reason NONE of Trump and his supporters want a full forensic audit in any place where Trump barely won: it costs a lot of money without benefiting them.
“no one did one except for the Az senate Maricopa county one in progress …….. which the libtards/rinos were still trying to stop recently and fake news is spinning as fraud to steal votes from Biden.”
Again, there is NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE of fraud, and multiple lawsuits claiming there was were thrown out because of lack of evidence:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/28/fact-check-false-claim-arizona-audit-found-evidence-election-fraud/4860721001/
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/apr/27/facebook-posts/no-quarter-million-fraudulent-votes-werent-uncover/
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/05/04/arizona-ballot-watermarks-fact-check-conspiracy-theory/4938666001/ “These claims have been dismissed in court and refuted by a sampled hand count of ballots. Maricopa also hired two independent firms to conduct a forensic audit of its tabulation equipment. The audit found no abnormalities.”
“is it possible in the very few counties in the very few key states Biden needed to win he got way higher winning percentages than he got in other counties in that same state —– yes but the odds are so small it’s almost mathematically impossible.”
Then take my bet if you are convinced the odds are mathematically impossible.
“massive fraud still occurred by those that swore statements saying they saw the illegal activity. doesn’t matter to me who goes to jail/gitmo another win/win for me.”
Sworn statements of voter fraud are NOT evidence of voter fraud. Testimony alone is worthless in determining truth. What it CAN do is point to where further investigation for CREDIBLE evidence may be found. That’s what happened, and the investigations turned up NO EVIDENCE of significant voter fraud. Nobody is going to jail here…except, of course, for the hundreds of Trump supporters who assaulted our nation’s government.
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May 4, 2021 at 1:45 pm
Derek, I for one am not reading your comments regarding the election fraud because I am weary of arguing back & forth about this.
I only skip to the end to say to you and everyone…..let’s see what the final analysis of the Maricopa Audit produces.
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May 4, 2021 at 1:52 pm
I wanted to expound on something you said earlier, and I have a rare moment to reply, so…
“I have known people who claim they are atheists, but who are pretty nice people and the reason they are atheists is because they have had really bad experiences in their prior church experience.. (especially Catholic)
They never really studied the Bible, never actually became acquainted with the love of God……so they throw their hands up and decided that there must not be a God who cares or loves them.”
That is mostly just church propaganda. I know a LOT of atheists and interact with them on a regular basis. While you’re right about most atheists being pretty nice people, the reason nearly all the atheists who are former Christians (and there are a LOT more of them every year) is because they simply lost belief in God. Some lose belief because they studied the historicity of Christianity and discovered it’s nothing like they were taught in church. Some lose belief because the promises of Christianity turn out to not be true (the effects of prayer, a fulfilling life, etc.). Some lose belief by reading the Bible and paying attention to the consequences of its claims (as Isaac Asimov said, “Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived”). Some lose belief (at least in biblical literalism) because so many claims conflict with science. Some lose belief because of God’s immorality in the Bible. And so on.
NONE of them have ever expressed (to me, at least) losing belief because they think God doesn’t care or love them. Lots of gods in thousands of religions aren’t caring or loving, but that doesn’t stop people from believing in them. No, loss of belief comes when certain subconscious standards for belief are no longer met. Belief and lack of belief are not a choice…they happen when the right subconscious psychological conditions are met.
“Those people are the type I love to be around……I have seen these same types (in time) become very strong Spirit-filled believers.”
There’s a difference between an atheist and someone who is just mad at God. The former doesn’t believe God exists, period. The latter, however, DOES believe in God (after all, you don’t get mad at things you don’t believe exist!). Often rebellious teenagers chafe against the strictures of their religion and want to live free of those rules…but they don’t lose their belief, and they return back to the fold after getting it out of their system. Well, that used to be the pattern, but now more are ultimately losing their belief: https://religionnews.com/2020/05/19/more-young-adults-are-leaving-religion-but-thats-not-the-whole-story-say-researchers/
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May 4, 2021 at 3:18 pm
“We are in a fallen world and satan is the god of this world.
Sin, immorality and wickedness is extremely rampant because so many people ignore or reject the laws of God…which is basically to love Him and to love our Neighbor.”
I appreciate that you took the time to make your case…but you’re not looking at the big picture, which negates everything you’ve said. Basically, you are blaming Satan and humans for all the evil in the world…but I’ll use a point I posted on a different thread but which is appropriate here as well. I call it the “infinite universes problem for God”:
If the God of the Bible exists and he is all knowing, then by definition he could imagine any of an infinite number of universes, each with an Earth populated by people making different choices than they make on other Earths. By this I mean that in one universe you could choose to buy a bracelet, while in another universe you could choose to buy a necklace, and in yet another universe you could choose to steal either item, to keep it or give it as a gift, and so on. With an infinite mind, God could imagine ANY universe, including a universe with the exact outcome he wants…and this option would be true regardless of whether free will exists or not.
Furthermore, if God is all powerful, then by definition he could CREATE a universe with the exact outcome he wants. If he wanted Lucifer to stay a model angel, he could have chosen to create one of the worlds where Lucifer decides not to rebel. If he wanted Adam and Eve to live in the Garden of Eden forever, he could have chosen to create one of the worlds where Adam and Eve choose not to eat the fruit, and so on. Nobody would ever happen to make the “wrong” decision.
But that’s not what God did, is it? Instead, he DELIBERATELY chose to create one of the universes where he KNEW everything would go wrong right from the beginning. He chose one where he knew Lucifer would rebel and Adam and Eve would disobey. He chose one where the world would fill up with wicked people whom he would then drown in a flood. He chose one where he would end up sending untold BILLIONS of people to hell to burn forever, for “sins” as small as simply not believing he exists.
So where does that leave us? It means that God himself is entirely responsible for the existence of sin because this is the universe HE chose to create. Instead of choosing to create one where everyone happens to make the right decisions, he chose one he KNEW would become corrupted by sin. Yet he blames humanity for HIS choices. Worse, he severely punishes humanity for HIS choice for exactly how we all behave and everything we do. So our universe itself is evidence that God is not good–at least not by any standard that means anything to us.
So when you say we are in a fallen world and Satan is the god of this world…what you’re saying is that God WANTED it to be this way. Sin, immorality and wickedness is extremely rampant because he WANTED it to be this way.
If you see any logical inconsistency in this argument, I’d love to hear it…but I’ve yet to have anyone do anything other than evade responding.
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May 4, 2021 at 5:03 pm
derekmathais ………….. lol …….. yes, just the statistical data alone does prove massive fraud beyond a reasonable doubt. otherwise it’s mathematically impossible for all of those things to have happened. now in the western justice system individual guilt has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but that doesn’t mean the data doesn’t confirm massive fraud. but it means for you to dismiss this scientific evidence based on mathematics proves you are delusional. that’s because it’s not just a one off —– the anomalies had to occur in those specific battle ground states, in those specific counties and in a manner where a few places the counting had to stop because Pres trump was so far ahead on election nite. so we definitely know something fishy occurred but we don’t know how because no one did a serious investigation yet. but because all of the evidence to date, which even your side proved after the 2016 election —- the machines can be hacked not our side your side, actual case were this was proven, mail in ballots sent everywhere in some states, large numbers of adjudicated ballots, people finding shredded ballots, etc………. but most damning the gov’t officials NOT doing forensic audits, fighting forensic audits, trying to discredit forensic audits, etc…….. and yes even in some republican states because lots of them are rinos and suffer from TDS too.
lol ………. no the court cases Pres Trump brought were thrown out for standing. and our side did win some because the audit is going on in
Maricopa county —- which your side is still trying to stop. Pres Trump’s team was not able to bring criminal charges and do an investigation — that’s not his jurisdiction. the police or appropriate law enforcement agency shouldve investigated —— however the swamp hilariously declined even when the affidavits claimed massive fraud. and as i correctly stated a criminal investigation was req’d and shouldve been carried out because of the affidavits —– to prove them true or prosecute the ones that made them for perjury.
since no one did a deep dive into the fraud, especially the ballots, nothing could be disproven. but if you think there was nothing wrong with fulton county “adjudicating” 100,000 plus ballots —- you are delusional.
lol …………. i can’t believe how delusional you people are —– there’s no down side to my position but if you are wrong and all of the evidence proves you are you are going to be proven the delusional fool that you are. if the Az senate Maricopa audit doesn’t find massive fraud like every other place where they did more than a glorified recount —- im just wrong and a unprecedented chain of unrelated events just happened by chance to get beijing biden elected.
but based on all of the TDS from libtards and rinos, lots of known corruption in some of those states, large amounts of money, etc…… they had means, motive and opportunity to steal the election. and it probably wouldve worked if not foe so many people voting for Pres trump in person.
see it’s to funny —– even if you think you are correct and this election was totally legit the sane response is —– yes some bizarre things occurred and hopefully the Maricopa audit will sort it out but yes changes have to be made to ensure election integrity. that’s because your only evidence really is the honor of the people that ran the election and they are behaving like criminals —– especially the BOS for Maricopa county
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May 5, 2021 at 2:21 pm
Derek,
I spent 12 years working with military personnel who were enrolled in PTSD recovery programs…….Vietnam , Gulf War, Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans, and some Active Duty……..so many were raised in Christian households and so many were not.
These were mainly combat soldiers / marines or medics who witnessed the very worst of war that you could imagine,
Some returned home with their belief in God destroyed and some came back with their belief in God strengthened.
I am glad to say that some who’s faith was destroyed, once they started their mental & emotional healing, so many had their faith in God restored….even stronger than before.
The love, mercy and healing power of God, to reach into the deepest recesses of our spirit is quite miraculous……..and He has the ability to repair broken hearts, broken sprits and even broken bones.
You and I could go back & forth on this, but we will not change each other’s mind.
I have witnessed healing miracles of Jesus Christ with my own eyes, I have witnessed lives changed by the love & power of Jesus Christ, I have witnessed addicts instantly delivered from addiction and I have seen the dead raised to life in the name of Jesus Christ.
Nobody in this world including you Derek, could ever convince me to deny the love I have for all my children or my husband. The exact same goes for Jesus Christ……absolutely nothing can separate me from my faith & love that I have for Him.
The ONLY person who has that power is me, and that’s not going to happen.
The Lord has walked with me, and at times carried me through the most sorrowful times of my life, He is my constant companion and He is my refuge in times of trouble…..He is also the joy of my soul.
He has given me such a wonderful life and a beautiful family and friends who are like family to me….and trust me, I deserved none of that.
I remember my life without Him, and I never want to go back…..I love Him and I do not fear death at all, because that is when I will finally get to see Him face to face…….oh happy day that will be! 🙂
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May 5, 2021 at 5:47 pm
Derek:
Your polemic posts are a pleasure trove of truth. One has no need to believe in a God one knows, for that reason alone, Jesus was an atheist.
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May 5, 2021 at 6:01 pm
Derek:
Your polemic posts are a pleasure trove of truth. One has no need to believe in a God one knows, for that reason alone, Jesus was an atheist.
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May 5, 2021 at 8:40 pm
Leona …………… derek is delusional and so are you. snap out of it —– massive fraud occurred 100% in the nov 2020 election even if the vote stats recorded are true. the only question is who did it ?
you both have a serious problem with critical thinking …………
if the roles were reversed for nov 2020 and Pres Trump won i’d be saying the same thing based on this evidence. however ……… i’d bet the farm you cre cre would be screaming Pres Trump stole the election again just like he did in 2016. then now all of our evidence would be your evidence
and it would magically become irrefutable —– it’s so hilarious how you argue.
so if the Maricopa county audit finds evidence of massive fraud, as others have, are you going to admit your error or do what you people always do deny, deny, deny ?
lol ………… if it doesn’t find the massive fraud it should based on our rock solid evidence no problem for me —— the new evidence just proves another did the fraud. but im not worried because your side already proved those magic voting machines can be manipulated after the 2016 election in killary’s defense. and we have your side saying 100,000 plus ballots had to be “adjudicated” in Fulton county which is impossible.
hilariously no one sued fake news over those 2020 stories about the voting machines being hacked by the russians and stealing the 2016 election from killary. and those videos are still up on youtube while our sides were all taken down ………….. no surprise there.
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May 5, 2021 at 9:50 pm
Paul, you explained it perfectly.
But when it comes to Leon/ Leona Jenner, you cannot speak reason to a person who’s mind is foolish and filled with new age deception.
As far as Maricopa County, the Democrats are having conniptions…..and that alone proves their guilt. They are foolishly advertising their guilt 24/7.
Hopefully Liz Cheney is on her way out and Elise Stefanik will take her place….there are a lot of great changes going on and it looks like in 2022, the democrats are in for a well-deserved bottom-whooping.
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May 5, 2021 at 10:13 pm
Elaine ………… i have to lol or i’d be crying. it’s so hilarious now how the “left” just dismisses any argument against them.
there was just a video the other day about a lawsuit in some Michigan county (re nov 2020 election) showing the voting machines can be set to switch votes. the expert had a machine and paper ballots and his lap top. he hacked into the machine changed the setting and ran the ballots and he got different out comes for the same paper ballots with each setting —– all on camera. and these delusional people are poo pooing our claims of massive election fraud saying that’s not evidence …….. you can’t make this stuff up. their gaslighting is hilarious.
anyway —– if we don’t find that evidence in Maricopa i’ll fall off my chair but we never found out the real story behind the Warren Commission single bullet theory either.
and as i stated we don’t have anything to fear from that audit but if it proves us right it’s going to be really hilarious to see how it plays out —– the libtards and rinos are all ready making excuses
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May 5, 2021 at 10:28 pm
Yeah, it is funny to see how willingly ignorant the demoncrats and RINOS are and how they stick their fingers in their ears while screaming “LaLaLaLa, I CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!”…..it’s funny and pathetic.
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I’ll tell you one thing Paul, the Left is downright evil and they will stop at nothing to stop this Audit…..I have been praying for God’s protection for these people who are auditing.
Hey, can you post that video about the voting machine in Michigan? 🙂
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May 5, 2021 at 10:44 pm
Elaine, i posted the link below. just incase it doesn’t work here’s the key words for the youtube search box —- Behizy Huge News in Michigan.
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May 6, 2021 at 8:26 am
@Derek writes,
Only I did reply to it—twice. However, that’s not the topic of this thread, as you well know.
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May 6, 2021 at 5:49 pm
“Derek, seriously, why don’t you just live and let live then?”
YOU are the one making claims. I’m simply challenging them. One way to determine whether someone REALLY believes what they claim is to make a bet that would be painful to lose, and $1,000 is a good round number.
But it’s good you didn’t take me up on my bet, because I’m aware that regardless of the results of the audit it won’t change the election results:
https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/04/ask-politifact-why-are-arizona-republicans-auditin/
Furthermore, the reason why Democrats and even many Republicans object to the audit is because it’s being conducted mostly in secret by a highly partisan company with no election experience, using pointless techniques (like looking for traces of bamboo on the ballots to see if they came from China!: https://www.businessinsider.com/maricopa-county-election-auditors-searching-for-bamboo-in-the-ballots-2021-5). If one wants an audit to be legitimate, it MUST be by an independent third party using completely transparent processes…otherwise nobody (other than the gullible) will accept the results. Surely you know this to be true.
“Pretty soon you will be a very old man wondering where you life has gone.”
I AM an old man, but my life has been truly amazing so far. 🙂
“Personally I don’t even have time to comment on this platform”
Nor do I. That’s why it usually takes me days to respond and I’m far behind on my responses. I have a busy life but I do enjoy lively debate.
“Derek, just relax and believe what you want…..and allow others to do the same…….don’t make it your goal in life to change people.”
Hmm…so it’s okay for you to respond to comments you disagree with, but I shouldn’t do so?
“Go to the beach and watch the ocean waves, look up at the blue sky and see the wonders of God’s creation and breath in the fresh air without a ^%&#@ mask.”
Way ahead of you. I’m fully immunized. 🙂
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May 6, 2021 at 5:52 pm
The newest smoking gun by the GOP-QANON is the Bamboo Conspiracy.
This just takes the October Surprise out of May doesn’t it? Pulp wood paper ballots maybe OK But Bamboo wood paper ballots, a definite Asian influence to elect Biden why? Trump is too tough on China? especially after sending the corona virus, upon America.
China feared the Trump retaliation and needed to oust the turnip by smuggling 40,000 Bamboo Paper Ballets just 5,000 votes short of the 45,000 votes Biden won the county by.
I mean this GOP amalgamation with QANON is so clever its like they have a direct link to a force, the likes of which the world has never seen.
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May 6, 2021 at 6:25 pm
Derek, I don’t bet, plus I don’t want to take your money.
You are fully immunized?….then that means you don’t need a mask or fear of being around anyone who is not vaccinated…right??……but if a new variant comes out, then you need MORE shots and then more boosters.
SO many biological agents not even approved by the FDA, but fully approved by Bill Gates going into your body……..but wait, perhaps you should read this….
In the segment below on last night’s “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” Carlson said the U.S. government’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) shows 3,362 Americans — or 30 people a day — died from the COVID vaccine between December 2020 and last month.
“More people, according to VAERS, have died after getting the shot in four months during a single vaccination campaign than from all other vaccines combined over more than a decade and a half,” said Carlson. https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/tucker-carlson-how-many-americans-died-covid-vaccines/?utm_source=salsa&eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=d1625968-5649-4caf-bd04-675632888b6b
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May 7, 2021 at 6:21 am
Let a bear robbed of her whelps meet a man, rather than a fool Tucker Carlson
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May 7, 2021 at 6:29 am
That’s because VAERS data is considered unreliable for drawing causal conclusions. And dying after a vaccine is not the same thing as dying because of the vaccine.
“It is exceptionally irresponsible for this man to claim that all these are causal associations. It’s wrong,” said Dr. Paul Offit, the chair of vaccinology at the University of Pennsylvania’s Perelman School of Medicine. “He puts people’s lives at risk with bad information during a pandemic.”
VAERS reports are unverified and don’t show causation
Unlike other official government sources, which flow through consistent reporting channels and get screened by statisticians and analysts before they are made available to the public, VAERS is an open-access system. The reports submitted are not verified before they become public.
“Anybody can report to it,” Offit said. “If I get a vaccine, or I give my child a vaccine, and I believe that they have turned into the ‘Incredible Hulk,’ then I can write up a one-page report online and submit it, and that then is included. And that’s been done.”
A disclaimer on the VAERS website says the “reports alone cannot be used to determine if a vaccine caused or contributed to an adverse event or illness,” in part because they “may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.” People accessing the database must click an option that says that they’ve read and understand the disclaimer.
Offit said VAERS works best as “a hypothesis-generating mechanism” that can tip scientists off to issues for further study, such as the rare cases of blood clots that prompted the agency to recommend a temporary pause on use of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.
In this case, the CDC has analyzed all the reports of death among COVID-19 vaccine recipients that were submitted to VAERS between Dec. 14, 2020, and May 3.
“A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines,” the agency concluded.
To establish causation, scientists need to find proof that an adverse event is significantly more common among vaccinated people than unvaccinated people. VAERS doesn’t provide enough data to do that.
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May 7, 2021 at 6:43 am
Who perpetuates a lie is as guilty or more guilty than the original poster because the repeater refuses to fact-check a potential falsehood.
Repeaters do not need to fact check because that only need belief which is the worse scenario for anybody who boasts that they “know” what they are talking about when they are mere pawns of satanic influence without discretionary insight.
This is why the caricature concept of “Satan” came into existence: to first describe the unwary, then as the foment increases to describe the careless; and eventually, the uncaring unwary become a visible expression of of Satan and the unsavory, unsaved within humanity. Don’t believe a word they say.
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May 7, 2021 at 2:50 pm
“Here is a truth. Of all the posters on this site I have never met anybody with as much, let alone more, common sense and intellectual adroitness than derekemathias. Nada, non, niet, not one. It is my distinct privilege to be able to discern that in derekmathias.”
Thank you for those kind words, Leona. I do my best to make rational arguments based on demonstrable evidence.
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May 7, 2021 at 2:57 pm
“Your polemic posts are a pleasure trove of truth. One has no need to believe in a God one knows, for that reason alone, Jesus was an atheist.”
Thank you. But I’m still working on whether a Jesus even existed. Like most historians, I do think it likely there was a man who inspired Christianity, but the evidence even for that much is remarkably thin. Still, if he was a rabbi, chances are he wasn’t an atheist. 😉
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May 7, 2021 at 5:52 pm
“What’s happening in Maricopa is going to spread to the other states in question……..and I cannot wait.”
I guarantee you are going to be disappointed with the results. You’ve bought into a lie that the election was stolen, even though numerous recounts and audits in various states have turned up nothing. If the evidence were there, it would have been found by now. This is nothing less than an assault on our democracy by authoritarians who have demonized anyone who isn’t a follower of Trump. In no uncertain terms, that’s damaging to democracy.
But you evidently get your news from highly unreliable and hyper-partisan sources. I’m willing to bet you none of those sources are found at the top center of the Media Bias Chart (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/interactive-media-bias-chart/ for the chart, https://www.adfontesmedia.com/rankings-by-individual-news-source/ for the individual ratings). And if they’re not, then how can you claim to be well informed, or that the information you have is tethered to reality? Keep in mind, viewers of explicitly conservative media sources are the LEAST informed when tested, sometimes even less informed than people who don’t follow the news at all:
https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2016/07/21/a-rigorous-scientific-look-into-the-fox-news-effect/?sh=203676f012ab
https://www.psypost.org/2020/07/consuming-content-from-foxnews-com-is-associated-with-decreased-knowledge-of-science-and-society-57499
“I am so thankful that President Trump did not concede…..he warned us prior to the election that they were going to cheat…”
Of course he did. He saw how badly the midterms went for Republicans, so he made this claim to poison the election by calling into question ANY result that didn’t go his way. He said the same thing during the 2016 elections, remember? But he had no access to any evidence that could actually lead him to such conclusions…which is why despite months of decrying a fraudulent election, NO evidence of significant fraud has been revealed.
Always remember…it’s the EVIDENCE that matters, not the CLAIMS of evidence.
“…..but he was 10 steps ahead of them and Space Force cyber security tracked all of the foreign interference via the internet connection (which Dominion claimed they didn’t use)….they have ALL of the evidence!”
If they did, it would have been revealed by now. A massive conspiracy theory like this could never be kept secret by so many for so long. Surely at some level you know this.
“If Biden would have won fair & square, then President Trump would have conceded…….but no way did Sleepy Joe win.”
Trump is the textbook definition of a malignant narcissist and psychopath. Of course you won’t believe me, so here’s the evidence:
• Malignant narcissist and psychopath (shows no empathy). Considers himself to be “the chosen one”: https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/politics/donald-trump-chosen-one/index.html. Malignant narcissist symptoms include (https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/narcissistic-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20366662):
o Having an exaggerated sense of self-importance
o Having a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
o Expecting to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
o Exaggerating achievements and talents
o Being preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
o Believing they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
o Monopolizing conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
o Expecting special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
o Taking advantage of others to get what they want
o Having an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
o Being envious of others and believe others envy them
o Behaving in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
o Insisting on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office
o Becoming impatient or angry when they don’t receive special treatment
o Having significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
o Reacting with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
o Having difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
o Experiencing major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
o Feeling depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
o Having secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation
Sound familiar?
Don’t buy into conspiracy theory thinking. Base your belief on evidence. Because if you don’t, nothing you claim can be trusted.
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May 7, 2021 at 8:39 pm
derekmathais ………….. lmao —- it’s not ” conspiracy theory thinking” oh delusional one. it is based on the evidence which can not lie because it is just the data of who got what votes in what counties. what you are doing however is gaslighting —– the only question is are you a useful idiot for those people or a true believer.
lol ………. see your cre cre side was blabbing over and over again about how the russians were going to hack those magical voting machines again and steal the 2020 election for Pres Trump like they did in 2016. but no conflict of interest with having the guy that set the voting machines check the voting machines after the election to make sure they were okay right ? you people are so lost it’s hilarious —– that’s like having your accountant that you think is stealing from you to do the financial audit to prove he’s not.
lol ………. see where ever an authentic investigation is done massive fraud is found. videos showing voting machines being hacked and reset to flip votes in minutes with ease. huge garbage bags of shredded ballots outside gov’t bldg where votes were counted. nothing disproven —- except you cre cre people say we didn’t commit fraud/no fraud please move it along.
lol ………. you election fraud deniers are the nut jobs not us —- every sane person can see something really fishy happened on the nov 2020 election. and even if they find nothing in Maricopa county that doesn’t disprove fraud only proves some on else committed it or we need some more answers to figure it out. JFK was assassinated but the single bullet theory still makes no sense.
lol ……….. and the latest news is Beijing Biden’s DOJ wants to stop the Az audit —– no surprise there. why anyone would want to stop an audit of the most free and fair election ever is hilarious. and what’s more hilarious is the Maricopa county BOS apparently didn’t give the auditors the admin password to the machines but they had another company already check the machines in their audit. they had to give the password according to the court order to the auditors and claim they turned over all passwords. another mystery that doesn’t surprise me at all based on what the BOS has done and is still doing.
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May 7, 2021 at 9:14 pm
Paul, very well said said…….these people (D & L) are blinded by their own bigotry & erratic hatred against President Donald Trump, who by the way is one of the best American presidents ever besides Ronald Reagan.
In 2016 D & L were sore losers & whiners claiming “election fraud”, but now that we truly experience election fraud in 2020, they are the defenders of Democrat liars, cheaters and deceivers.
As Gomer Pyle so eloquently said “SHAME SHAME SHAME!”
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May 7, 2021 at 9:47 pm
Thank you Derek for that reply, in particular. So let me explain my position.
Just because Jesus may be a storybook character, that doesn’t mean he’s not a good character, doesn’t mean he hasn’t got wisdom to impart. Didn’t He say the Kingdom of Heaven is within? Luke 17; 21, I think it was. And what a useful piece of information that is when you think about it.
To me though, he is was as real as a father could be to me when I was young and in my growing grief, he spoke such words from the Gospels that touched my soul (Emotion) and caught my heart (Body) to give a visible expression, and captured my mind (Will) to behave righteously. I never listened to the sermons of the priest, I was too busy reading the thoughts from words that sounded like my own written exclusively to me but not for me alone.
Actually I look at it this way, being an atheist does not mean one does not belief in God necessarily; or, does not believe in or does not know or understand or even describe a God, which is after all the powers from which all life comes; I mean that’s pretty powerful to have the knowledge of that existence and to acknowledge that awesome power, at least, but what I mean by being an atheist is that one simply may not believe in the Theist God. A Theism God, for example that interferes or intervenes in human affairs, listens to and answers prayer occasionally. So in that respect I am an a-theist but I am not averse to or even against believing in and coming to know a God other than the Theism God of Christianity and Judaism.
Jesus interpreted deity; oh sure, he did say a few prayers because that was the way the masses understood Deity that was drilled into their minds over eons, and so in keeping with that tradition occasionally, he was able to communicate on a level below the level that the masses could understand. He made an obvious reference to that when he was baptized by John the Baptist, his cousin and possibly his half brother. When John argued with Jesus about Jesus wanting to be baptized by John,
Jesus said
“John settle down, this is to be done for the masses to absorb for they expect it because they hold you as a prophet and they look up to you, so for righteous sake and for Christ sakes, baptize me and shut up about it.” Mat 3:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.
In another example he said that we speak about what we know and witness what we have seen,,,speaking truth and not hyperbole but then added if I speak to you of earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I speak to you about heavenly things? So this is the two levels I just alluded to. How many times did he say you are from below and I am from above. So in order to get through to the masses he chose to communicate on things in ways that they understood well, and extrapolate from there what was to be in their eventual evolution but it certainly did not come overnight or in the three years he had before his arrest and two thousand years later Secularism is the closest offshoot of the Jesus therapy in that it is a flexible mix of tradition and customs with a healthy tolerance and change and understanding for humanity’s diversity compared to the stone and hammer and chisel of fundamentalistic religious conservatism and intolerance.
Personally I can only attest to a God I know and I can only describe, define and interpret the God I know. I cannot describe, define or know the God of Beliefism such as the God of Theism, and therefore, while I am an a-theist, I AM NOT WITHOUT A DEITY to interpret. Such I submit was the attitude of Jesus in his interpretation of deity.
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May 8, 2021 at 1:36 am
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17 FACTS THAT PROVE BIDEN STOLE THE 2020 ELECTION
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Def-Con News brought you 10 Reasons Why The 2020 Election Results Are Fake. Those reasons were observations of anomalies and things that defied reality, all pointing to a stolen election. Here are some actual statistics and facts that prove 2020 wasn’t on the level. Putting everything together and the only conclusion is that Biden stole the White House.
Pollster Patrick Basham ran the numbers and nothing about 2020 makes a damn lick of sense. He laid out these reasons for The Spectator and they’re very compelling:
1 – Total vote:
President Trump received more votes than any previous incumbent seeking reelection. He got 11 million more votes than in 2016, the third largest rise in support ever for an incumbent. By way of comparison, President Obama was comfortably reelected in 2012 with 3.5 million fewer votes than he received in 2008.
Trump’s vote increased so much because, according to exit polls, he performed far better with many key demographic groups. Ninety-five percent of Republicans voted for him. He did extraordinarily well with rural male working-class whites.
2 – Minority vote:
He earned the highest share of all minority votes for a Republican since 1960. Trump grew his support among black voters by 50 percent over 2016. Nationally, Joe Biden’s black support fell well below 90 percent, the level below which Democratic presidential candidates usually lose.
3 – Hispanic vote:
Trump increased his share of the national Hispanic vote to 35 percent. With 60 percent or less of the national Hispanic vote, it is arithmetically impossible for a Democratic presidential candidate to win Florida, Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico.
4 – History:
Bellwether states swung further in Trump’s direction than in 2016. Florida, Ohio and Iowa each defied America’s media polls with huge wins for Trump. Since 1852, only Richard Nixon has lost the electoral college after winning this trio, and that 1960 defeat to John F. Kennedy is still the subject of great suspicion.
5 – Cities
Midwestern states Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin always swing in the same direction as Ohio and Iowa, their regional peers. Ohio likewise swings with Florida. Current tallies show that, outside of a few cities, the Rust Belt swung in Trump’s direction. Yet, Biden leads in Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin because of an apparent avalanche of black votes in Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee. Biden’s ‘winning’ margin was derived almost entirely from such voters in these cities, as coincidentally his black vote spiked only in exactly the locations necessary to secure victory. He did not receive comparable levels of support among comparable demographic groups in comparable states, which is highly unusual for the presidential victor.
6 – Counties
We are told that Biden won more votes nationally than any presidential candidate in history. But he won a record low of 17 percent of counties; he only won 524 counties, as opposed to the 873 counties Obama won in 2008. Yet, Biden somehow outdid Obama in total votes.
7 – Down ballot votes:
Victorious presidential candidates, especially challengers, usually have down-ballot coattails; Biden did not. The Republicans held the Senate and enjoyed a ‘red wave’ in the House, where they gained a large number of seats while winning all 27 toss-up contests. Trump’s party did not lose a single state legislature and actually made gains at the state level.
8 – Impossibility:
Another anomaly is found in the comparison between the polls and non-polling metrics. The latter include: party registrations trends; the candidates’ respective primary votes; candidate enthusiasm; social media followings; broadcast and digital media ratings; online searches; the number of (especially small) donors; and the number of individuals betting on each candidate.
Despite poor recent performances, media and academic polls have an impressive 80 percent record predicting the winner during the modern era. But, when the polls err, non-polling metrics do not; the latter have a 100 percent record. Every non-polling metric forecast Trump’s reelection. For Trump to lose this election, the mainstream polls needed to be correct, which they were not. Furthermore, for Trump to lose, not only did one or more of these metrics have to be wrong for the first time ever, but every single one had to be wrong, and at the very same time; not an impossible outcome, but extremely unlikely nonetheless.
None of these thing point to a Biden victory and yet he was declared the winner of the 2020 election. The two things that stick out the most are 1) it was statistically impossible for Biden to have won Arizona, Nevada, and New Mexico and 2) Biden did worse with minorities everywhere but Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee.
The vote counting was a complete mess in those three cities and the vote totals from them are what gave Biden the states of Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, as well as the 2020 election. You can literally pinpoint where the theft occurred and it was in these 3 cities.
As an added bonus, Basham detailed 9 examples of election theft:
1. Late on election night, with Trump comfortably ahead, many swing states stopped counting ballots. In most cases, observers were removed from the counting facilities. Counting generally continued without the observers
2. Statistically abnormal vote counts were the new normal when counting resumed. They were unusually large in size (hundreds of thousands) and had an unusually high (90 percent and above) Biden-to-Trump ratio
3. Late arriving ballots were counted. In Pennsylvania, 23,000 absentee ballots have impossible postal return dates and another 86,000 have such extraordinary return dates they raise serious questions
4. The failure to match signatures on mail-in ballots. The destruction of mail in ballot envelopes, which must contain signatures
5. Historically low absentee ballot rejection rates despite the massive expansion of mail voting. Such is Biden’s narrow margin that, as political analyst Robert Barnes observes, ‘If the states simply imposed the same absentee ballot rejection rate as recent cycles, then Trump wins the election’
6. Missing votes. In Delaware County, Pennsylvania, 50,000 votes held on 47 USB cards are missing
7. Non-resident voters. Matt Braynard’s Voter Integrity Project estimates that 20,312 people who no longer met residency requirements cast ballots in Georgia. Biden’s margin is 12,670 votes
8. Serious ‘chain of custody’ breakdowns. Invalid residential addresses. Record numbers of dead people voting. Ballots in pristine condition without creases, that is, they had not been mailed in envelopes as required by law
9. Statistical anomalies. In Georgia, Biden overtook Trump with 89 percent of the votes counted. For the next 53 batches of votes counted, Biden led Trump by the same exact 50.05 to 49.95 percent margin in every single batch. It is particularly perplexing that all statistical anomalies and tabulation abnormalities were in Biden’s favor. Whether the cause was simple human error or nefarious activity, or a combination, clearly something peculiar happened.
“Something Peculiar” should be the title of Joe Biden’s memoirs. Hair sniffing, letting kids rub his hairy legs, and “dog-faced pony soldier” are certainly not normal things. And neither are any of the “miracles” that happened to make him the next President of the United States.
The only people who believe Biden won the 2020 election fair and square are the ones who helped him steal the White House: democrats and the liberal media. No thinking person can look at this information and conclude that this election was in any way legitimate.”
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May 8, 2021 at 1:55 am
Elaine ………… there’s all that statistical data i just posted proving “clearly something peculiar happened” yet many people like Leona and derekmathias say —- no that’s nothing.
the small number of counties that biden won alone proves you have to be delusional to reject massive fraud occurred. as i said at a minimum any sane person should agree ” clearly something peculiar happened.”
“6 – Counties
We are told that Biden won more votes nationally than any presidential candidate in history. But he won a record low of 17 percent of counties; he only won 524 counties, as opposed to the 873 counties Obama won in 2008. Yet, Biden somehow outdid Obama in total votes.
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May 8, 2021 at 1:07 pm
WOW PAUL!!!!!!!!!
That is a TREASURE TROVE OF FACTUAL DATA that the mainstream media is too cowardly to tell.
Thank you so much for that, I will share it will many Patriots far & wide!!
Anybody who even pretends to argue with these facts are fools, traitors & liars.
Thank you so much Paul!!!
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May 8, 2021 at 1:15 pm
Paul, this is my reply to your 2nd GREAT post.
Yeah, there is no way that Sleepy Joe received more votes than Hussein.
As I was watching the votes being counted and then it all stopped, I was like….”WHHHAAAAT???”
I had a sick feeling that something evil was going on….it was the weirdest creepiest feeling……something was not kosher at all.\
I hope the cheaters at Dominion go to prison for the rest of their lives, along with Democrat Politicians who participated in this TREASONIST act…….Hey, I just heard that South Carolina is reinstituting the firing squad……that’s always an option, especially for anti-Trump Antifa & BLM members who have taken the lives of innocents during this whole election cycle.
Again Paul, if somebody is innocent, they are more than happy to prove their innocence…..unlike the socialist progressives like Leon & Derek and the rest of the Democrats & RINOS who do all to obstruct all that is fair, legal, integral and good.
Thanks again Paul for all that information!!!! 🙂
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May 8, 2021 at 7:43 pm
Elaine ……….. you are welcome.
the people saying no fraud occurred are doing the same thing reprobates/delusional people always do —- deny the facts that prove them wrong. those are facts i posted and those facts are not explained away by their evidence. see they will never say <<>> it never happens because they want to remain in their delusion. and based on what others have found in Michigan it’s unlikely we won’t find the same fraud in Maricopa —- but even if we don’t see what we think we will in Maricopa county —- those many and bizarre coincidences remain so that’s why their side gaslights.
sadly there’s lots of corruption in this world, just ask people that travel abroad, many think it’s not here in North America but it is and where different things like politics and money combine you really need to be vigilant is checks & balances to thwart it.
good news on the Maricopa front —– the Az senate is threatening the county BOS with a subpoena if they don’t turn over the routers and admin passwords.
but the fbi should be dragging in those CEO of any voting machine used in the nov 2020 election and ask them 1 simple question —— can your machines be hacked and set to switch votes Yes or No ? if the answer is Yes — forensic audits need to be done in those counties that the data shows anomalies in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia to start.
if No —- based on all of those videos get a bunch of warrants and investigate the CEOs that said no for perjury.
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May 8, 2021 at 9:48 pm
Paul are you capable of dismissing court and lawyers ? I don’t think so but if you think so then file your own lawsuit by starting in the Court of Common please. You are re-hashing the same old , same old points of speculation but Beliefism does not cut it in Courts based on evidence.
You could entitle your speculation points as:
The 2020 Election
17 FACTS not to use if filing a lawsuit in the United States:
A lie is not an alternative fact; it is an exercise like a spiders incessant web weaving spinning one’s ego like a babbling brook boasting meaningless bubbles of beliefism aka speculation, opinion without evidence, Anybody can tongue anything based on conjecture, imagination and outright fiction from the middle of nowhere. We know that from the last 4 years of the Trump fabrications, how many thousands were there? Too high to even remember. Where is that “middle of nowhere” wherein your mind resides. You might apply successfully in getting a job as a Devil’s Advocate to spawn idiot conversations as a marketing ploy to sell advertising space to a gullible audience.
After the 2020 United States presidential election, the campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others filed and lost at least 86 lawsuits contesting election processes, vote counting, and the vote certification process in multiple states, including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. Among the judges who dismissed the aforementioned lawsuits were judges appointed by Trump himself.
Nearly all the suits were dismissed or dropped due to lack of evidence. Judges, lawyers, and other observers described the suits as “frivolous” and “without merit”. In one instance, the Trump campaign and other groups seeking his reelection collectively lost multiple cases in six states on a single day. Only one ruling was initially in Trump’s favor: the timing within which first-time Pennsylvania voters must provide proper identification if they wanted to “cure” their ballots. This ruling affected very few votes, and it was later overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.
Trump, his attorneys, and his supporters falsely asserted widespread election fraud in public statements, though few such assertions were made in court.
So why are you repeating the falsehoods?
Don’t be taken in by vain flatteries designed to tickle your ego palate. That’s the Trump Syndrome Sin-drome of repetitive nonsense
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May 8, 2021 at 11:13 pm
Paul, you cannot reason with liars who post thesis-length babblings & gibberish that nobody cares about reading.
Everything you said Paul is based on truth & facts that you took the time to research.
These people who deny voter fraud habitually drink in the toxic lies of the MSM and they feverously Google any “links” from The Left that aligns with their erratic hatred of President Trump.
Remember in both of Lindell’s documentaries how the Forensic Experts revealed how the Dominion’s owner’s manual stated how you could engineer the machines to falsify votes? You are so right in what you said!
This is why Lin Wood, Mike Lindell and Sidney Powell fear absolutely NOTHING when it comes to Dominion’s threat to sue them…..in fact they welcome it.
It all boils down to the fact that The Left is trying every trick possible to stop these Audits…..innocent people NEVER do that.
There are many States now gearing up for Audits of the 2020 election…..this is getting so exciting and The Left is running scared….as they should.
God bless President Donald John Trump!!!
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May 9, 2021 at 11:27 am
Paul, you have become a scapegoat without consent for vain flattery. Flattery boosts egos, pride, and it can also put pressure on the person who is being flattered. Flattery is mostly to seek favor from someone or it might be a complete lie and it’s a tool that false teachers use. They flatter and at the same time they water down the gospel.
They compromise with the Word and never preach on repentance and turning away from sin. They tell someone who is lost and living in rebellion to the Word of God don’t worry you’re good. of which Proverbs declares: “A person who flatters his neighbor is spreading a net for him to step into. To an evil person sin is bait in a trap, but a righteous person runs away from it and is glad.” AND “A lying tongue hates those it hurts, and a flattering mouth works ruin.
I believe neither man nor man’s created God would bless somebody for Treason, so my question is this: What is one called who aids and abets a would be Treasonist or the next worse act to treason?
As it pertains to the election fraud claims outside court, as fraud has not been the focus of claims inside the courts, but lawsuit citing other speculative spin-opinions unsupported by evidence, consider this from the New York Times:
The Treason Clause’s strict evidentiary rule of two witnesses to the act makes it exceedingly difficult to convict anyone of treason, even with so much conduct captured on video. But a treason case against Trump himself might conceivably be built, if prosecutors could establish that he knew in advance that his supporters planned to violently assault the Capitol, rather than peacefully protest; that he intended his speech urging them to “fight harder” to spur them to attack Congress imminently; and that he purposely didn’t do anything to stop the insurrection while it was unfolding—or, worse, intentionally contributed to a security failure that led to the breach. Then Trump would have engaged in treason along with supporters who attempted, in his name, to overthrow the U.S. government. At a minimum, it appears that Trump, along with top government officials, was aware that his followers were planning acts of violence. Trump did, however, say, in the midst of his incendiary speech, “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
Short of treason, a related federal law prohibiting rebellion or insurrection states that a person who incites “any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto,” has committed a serious felony and is disqualified from holding federal office. This description is similar to the current article of impeachment against Trump: “for inciting violence against the Government of the United States.” If two-thirds of senators vote to convict Trump, a majority of the Senate could then vote to bar him from future federal office. But a Senate conviction requires the votes of at least seventeen Republicans and, so far, looks unlikely. A federal criminal conviction for inciting rebellion or insurrection may offer an alternative route to disqualifying Trump from holding office.
So to rephrase the question now that Treason seems unlikely for the former, never-to-be elected-again, Ex-President Trump: What would one be called who aids and abets, in other words, (supports) the next worse act outside of a Treasonous Act “any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto,” ?
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May 9, 2021 at 7:28 pm
Leona ………….. and you, derekmathias (dm) and sadly scalia on occasion just keep proving you are cre cre. again on this topic i can’t be wrong —- massive fraud occurred. if the libtards/rinos/CCP are cleared we’ll look for another answer —— but those groups stealing the election from Pres Trump makes perfect sense. the libtards and rinos have been trying to get him out of office even before he was sworn in.
see it’s very simple —— like many other topics neither you or your delusional fellow denier dm get it. in this case the data proves something out of the bounds of normalcy happened —- that’s a fact not imo. so critical thinking people like myself go —- that’s weird ……. how did this happen ? and based on ALL of the evidence the logical and reasonable explanation is massive fraud as we suggest.
you are not that delusional to state massive election fraud has never occurred in certain parts of these USA are you ? just look into voting rolls in some areas.
go back and look at all your silly evidence —– none of it disproves what the data shows. the data needs no interpretation and is agreed on. so you can say every court case of ours was thrown out —- doesn’t disprove that data and even supports our corruption theory. you can say that video didn’t happen at that time and some one was there to watch the counting
—— doesn’t disprove our data and still even if was harmless proves election officials were breaking the rules/the spirit of the rules. you can say the fbi investigated the people that “adjudicated” 100,000 plus ballots in Fulton county and found no fraud —– doesn’t disprove our data and still …… wth are they “adjudicating” that many ballots for. etc…………..
see you people have a reprobate mind and dismiss our evidence because you can’t refute it and over exaggerate your “evidence” which has nothing to do with our evidence or the problem.
hilariously if the roles were reversed you wackos would be saying Pres Trump stole the election from beijing biden —– and since im not delusional i’d agree with you.
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May 9, 2021 at 10:51 pm
aul:
You are yapping, yapping, yapping like a chihuahua about data, data, data but you are not honest with your own self> You must be true to your self at least in order to be true to others.
The data that means nothing to you because it does not fit your bubble of the preconceived notion since he won the 2016 election…since that unusual win Trump declared from that point on that the only way he would lose an is if it was rigged. He said that of the 2016 election as a candidate that the election was rigged if he lost. So for 6 years you have been biting the chain link in your mouth like a horse halter salivating you like a Pavlovian dog. And neither you nor Trump can stop the yapping not because it is true but because it is religiously repetitive enough to make it sound true.
Here is the data that you ignore.
#1. The 2020 Election was the most secure election in American history and directed from the Trump Administration by director of the Cyber Security and Infrastructure Security Agency, Christopher Krebs, a professional independent, true to himself and others, kind of a guy. Not a yes man, ahuh..ahuh, Male babies are named Christopher because they are meant to an expression of the mothers integrity; in effect, they are expected to be groomed to be the “Christ Of Her”, Christ oph her. GET IT?
Barely two weeks after the polls closed in an election Trump was then projected to lose, U.S. President Donald Trump took to Twitter to fire the official responsible for spearheading efforts to secure the vote.
Said Krebs responded to his firing on social media, using a newly verified personal Twitter account.
“Honored to serve,” he said. “We did it right. Defend Today, Secure Tomorrow. (sic) #Protect2020”
#2. The 2020 election had the highest turnout electorate in more than a century due to the passion on BOTH sides of the field
#3. State Certified? BidenVotes TrumpVotes OtherVotes Biden Share
U.S. Total Yes 81,282,916 74,223,369 2,891,441 51.3%
Paul “Know thyself”, in other words be true to your self from the philosopher sages of old, including Socrates, but not attributed to him alone; the most poignant definition was by Shakespeare in Hamlet’s character Polonius giving advice to his son Laertes. in a list of maxims, the chief among them was the definition as Laertes readied to catch the ship to schooling in France.
Look thou character. Give thy thoughts no tongue. Give every man thy ear but few thy voice, This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man.
You need, and heed that definition, to know the one you claim to follow. You will be imprinted by these words. You will never forget these words as long as you live.
Don’t thank me, I’m only the messenger. And this is not hilarious.
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May 9, 2021 at 11:01 pm
Legible correction: DATA
State Certified BidenVotes TrumpVotes OtherVotes Biden Share
U.S. Total Yes 81,282,916 74,223,369 2,891,441 51.3%
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May 10, 2021 at 12:06 am
leona ……….. lol —- it’s you that’s “yapping, yapping, yapping” about stupidity because you are delusional.
lol ……… the data means everything because it proves something weird happened oh delusional one. and when weird stuff happens with other weird stuff that indicates the weird thing was not a fluke but had a cause. you know it wasn’t by chance and the most logical and reasonable cause was some one pulled a fast one/fraud.
lol ………. see you reprobates have to ignore all the data and the context of everything that happened since Pres Trump beat Killary.
lol ……….. nothing wrong with me oh delusional one —- in every county where an independent party did an investigation/audit fraud was found. even your delusional buddies proved those magic voting machines can be
hacked and set to switch votes. massive fraud occurred in the nov 2020 election for sure —– and it’s most likely gov’t officials have been committing election fraud for years.
lol ………… the only reason we saw it so clearly this time is —you libtards screamed so much about the magic voting machines in 2016 we paid attention, all the lies you libtards stated about russian collusion, trying to remove Pres Trump form office with impeachment x2, all of the bizarre behavior because of covid 19 with mail in ballots/changes to election laws/kicking out poll watchers/large numbers of “adjudicated” ballots/etc…… so the only question is — if the expected massive fraud is not found in Maricopa county what the heck caused all of those extraordinary results ?
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May 10, 2021 at 7:25 am
Paul, you correctly referred to Leon as “delusional” and a “reprobate” and it’s proven with Leon’s continual postings of utter nonsense that still frequents my inbox and that I enjoy deleting.
Leon is much like Antifa & BLM…..because none of them have the mental capacity to understand truth, integrity or reason. They have sold their souls to satan and satan is their daddy & puppetmaster….they are utterly controlled.
Truly honest people of integrity on both sides of the political aisle would say “YES, let’s have the Audits so we can all learn the truth, whichever way it goes.”
Only liars, cheaters & reprobates fight investigations into the truth
Every false accusation that these fools threw toward President Donald Trump, became a boomerang right back into their foolish faces and it ended up exposing their own crimes & lies.
It’s Biblically impossible to reason with a reprobate, because when a rebellious individual succumbs to REPROBATE-mindset, they enter into the Twilight Zone of Delusion and they no longer possess the ability to discern truth from lies.
TRUTH becomes an impossibility for Leon & others, and that makes them a trophy of satan…..which describes all Marxists, Communists, atheists and the democrat party.
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May 10, 2021 at 8:32 am
Paul…..this article is for you……..all I can say is WOW, but I am not shocked!
President Trump knew this was going to all happen nd he publicaly warned us all beforehand that there was going to be election fraud.
Dominion is in big trouble….and that’s for starters……
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/05/maricopa-county-elections-witness-testifies-dominion-ran-entire-election-county-officials-observers-never-access-passwords-video/
Based on the genius of President Donald Trump’s – Sept 20, 2018 signed Executive Order on Foreign Interference of a United States Election, treasonous people are going down……the Storm truly is coming.
https://intelreform.org/2021/01/10/trumps-whitehouse-executive-order-on-foreign-interference-in-elections-2018/
And by the way on a separate note, Fauci the Fraud is going down too.
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May 10, 2021 at 10:44 am
Elaine …………. PTL, the world is on fire and times for niceties is over. im not being mean spirited im trying to snap these people out of their delusion or drive them deeper into it.
look at what they say —- the data is nothing. yet not one of them explained how biden won so few counties but got so many votes ? that has never happened before. even in the swing states biden won, the percentage of victory in the large counties is so high compared to the other counties biden won in the same state therefore fraud has to be considered. and none of the things the govt did so far was going to find that fraud. only a few counties where law suits were filed and in-depth investigations were done would’ve found the fraud and they found fraud —- fraud big enough to switch the winner of that county. the only real forensic audit to date is underway in Maricopa county and once those results are in we will have excellent information to take the next step.
we told them so they can’t say they are ignorant/lack knowledge —- so either they are delusional or they are gaslighting us.
thx for the info i’ll check it out. because of biden cancelling the keystone xl pipeline and all of this cre cre hatred on “hydrocarbons” aka fossil fuels ive got a lot of extra time on my hands.
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May 10, 2021 at 12:23 pm
Paul, you are right, niceties are over and you can never make peace with evil. Evil attempts to lure decent people into their web of deceit with flatteries & self-important big words….but that ain’t gonna happen…people are waking up everywhere!!! 🙂
You and I both presented our case filled with factual data concerning the 2020 epic massive election fraud, but no matter what, those who have chosen to become The Delusional Ones can never be reasoned with, except of they repent…..but then again, if they are already reprobate, there is no antidote for that.
These people are so filled with wicked hatred towards the One True God, as well as President Trump and Conservatives and all things true & decent.
The Trump Derangement Syndrome is made up of erratic morons who hate truth….period.
The Storm is Coming, and it cannot be avoided……..liars, cheater & perverts from high places will be exposed…..no doubt about that.
God is not mocked.
Thanks Paul for standing for truth! 🙂
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May 10, 2021 at 9:34 pm
Paul. This could be of interest:
Republican who backed Arizona ‘audit’ based on Trump’s election lies now says it ‘makes us look like idiots’
‘Looking back, I didn’t think it would be this ridiculous. It’s embarrassing to be a state senator at this point,’ says Arizona State Senator Paul Boyer
State Secretary coins a new word for the Audit….It’s a “Fraudit”. Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, who is now under protection after receiving death threats for what she calls the “fraud-it” in her state, tells Lawrence O’Donnell that even after being warned by the Justice Department that failing to secure ballots is illegal, Republicans are “not taking seriously the magnitude of what they have in front of them and what they need to preserve.”
May 10, 2021
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May 11, 2021 at 7:56 am
Paul.
Besides your obsessive use of the term “lol”, which you were already chastised about by Mr. Scalia, you also seem to like using the terms hilarious and delusional.
When it comes to delusion, especially the religious delusion of Beliefism of Godism, I offer this wise observation of the plank in your eye while berating others about the splinters in their eye:
A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:
The most important scientific revolutions all include, as their only common feature, the dethronement of human arrogance from one pedestal after another of previous convictions about our centrality in the cosmos. -Stephen Jay Gould, paleontologist, biologist, author (1941-2002)
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May 11, 2021 at 9:28 am
@Leona Last
Your Post 108 has nothing to do with the topic of this thread and is nothing but a gratuitous attack on religious belief. And though Gould was an excellent paleontologist and biologist, he was not a philosopher. You cite him thusly,
Really? And Gould knows this how? How much of the universe has he personally examined to draw the conclusion that human centrality in the cosmos is “arrogance”? Now, he has every right to have a personal belief about arrogance, but he has no business claiming science as his evidence since science is incapable at this point of even approximating such a conclusion.
In fact, even if the entire universe is examined, on what basis would it be said, “Therefore, humanity is not the central figure of the cosmos”? One would have to define “central” which is of course a philosophical question (since nobody has claimed it to be a quantitative claim). And if it’s a question of philosophy, then the appeal to “science” misses the point.
Now, we might confirm intelligent life on other planets tomorrow, but as of today, that has not been confirmed. So, as far as we know, humans are the highest order of living material beings. The only way one can rebut that scientifically is to show the existence of a higher order of material life elsewhere or to argue philosophically that certain animals are actually higher on the “centrality” scale than humans, and that would strain the very science upon which the claim pretends to rest. One could also claim that evolution has demonstrated that humans are merely contemporary examples of survivability among many, but even that doesn’t touch the claim of centrality.
To be charitable, Gould probably meant that many religious superstitions have been debunked by science, and he was of course correct. However, that bears no relevance to “centrality” and is therefore non sequitur.
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May 11, 2021 at 11:33 am
The COMMUNIST made it into the office but he didn’t win its called cheating therefore he is not a president . he is a LIER cheater their a a SCUMBAGS and a communist. A push in by DAMOCRAPS
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May 11, 2021 at 11:44 am
Do like I have done . do not take the vaccine. It just their way of tracking you . and just like the cell phones they can hear anything you say no matter if it is off or on . And this damn fed coin will be able to limit and stop you from buying things they do t think you need . how the hell do they know what I need . I have already shot my TV. SET. AMD MY CELL PHONE. COMPUTER IS NEXT. . IT TIME.FOR EVERYONE TO STAND AGAINST TJESE CREEPS. AND GET BACK.TO AMERICA. THEY WANT COMMUNISM GO TO CHINA.
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May 11, 2021 at 12:05 pm
Scalia, in the light of critical-thinking, reason, science and intelligence, you scored a touch-down, home-run & hole-in-one against Team Leo/Leona.
Your explanation was eloquent & concise ……you explained exactly how I believe, but I lacked the ability to express it as well as you did.
Thank you Scalia, you blessed me, and I know you educated Leo/Leona.
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May 11, 2021 at 12:15 pm
Mr Scalia:
The only valid statement you made was, “Your Post 108.” Everything after that was a gratuitous assault on a philosophical observation by Gould that hit a nerve by a quote you feel personally dethroned by.
The quote was meant for posters who use the Post in pseudo commentary, replete with disparaging remarks for everybody who disagrees about the fraud, and that the 2020 Presidential election was won by the candidate who had the most votes. IT WAS NOT by the BIG LIE that the President elect committed fraud. Posters are ranting like a waxing demon disparaging the winning side with the most horrible, biblically-religious terms, to attack them. Even your name appeared within the group disparaged. “Answer a fool according to his folly lest he be wise in his own eyes.” That is a Theological/Philosophical moment; hence, Gould made a Theosophical Point, well meant and well said.
Gould did not use science to expound a philosophical point on religious arrogance which you eventually and rightly observed: “Gould probably meant that many religious superstitions have been debunked by science, and he was of course correct.
Everyone who thinks, can be a philosopher, who seeks wisdom and offers an observation on it, as Gould did, philosophizing about ideas.
With respect to the arrogance of human centrality, one only needs to go back a few hundred years to know how religious arrogance and beliefism claimed heresy charges and death against anyone who profferred heliocentrism that debunked the bible verse of the earth’s centrality, thus human centrality, in the Cosmos. The point was, human arrogance not the cosmos, not science.
Arrogance such as american1997, Posts 110, 111, who like others, are they spot-on topic?
Post 108 demanded to be brought to light. It was not meant to hurt you.
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May 11, 2021 at 12:22 pm
Amen American1997!!!
No way will my family and I inject a biological agent that has not been approved by the FDA…and even if it was, as far as meds, I look to hydroxychloroquine & Ivermection.
But then again, I did catch “covid” in January and because I took preventative measures as advised by American Front Line Doctors, I took Zinc, Vitamin D and Sambucus and my Wuhan Virus was 3 days of fatigue and a month of loss of smell & taste……I recovered perfectly and I thank God.
I think Fauci and the W.H.O is in for a world of trouble….they have cooked the numbers and caused the death of millions with Fauci’s involvement with the Wuhan Lab.
Everyone need to take off the stupid masks….they do nothing.
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May 11, 2021 at 12:34 pm
MEN American1997….do we even wonder why the Sleepy Joe administration and all DemonRat mayors & governors do nothing to punish Antifa & BLM???
Well Antifa is Communist and BLM is Marxist and the Sleepy Joe Administration & the DemonRat mayors & governors protect their own…….so YES American 1997, they all need to go to utopia of China or the paradise of North Korea.
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May 11, 2021 at 12:36 pm
Sorry American1997, I meant to say AMEN…not MEN.
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May 11, 2021 at 12:37 pm
@Leona, you write
And yet, later in your post, you write:
Now, how can the first sentence in my post be “[t]he only valid statement,” when I later “rightly observed” that Gould was probably referring to superstition?
And if Gould was merely referring to superstition, then science and the cosmos with respect to human centrality are irrelevant. In other words, it takes a charitable construction in order to defend his remarks. Taken at face value, he made an empty claim.
Now that you’ve finally replied to me, I would really like to know why you keep quoting the Scriptures. On what basis do they have any authority in your mind? Why should anybody believe anything contained in the Bible?
Finally, there’s no need to worry on your part what I “feel personally,” especially since you don’t have a sweet clue what I feel. Believe me, nothing you say about religion worries me in the slightest since nothing you’ve written comes close to threatening anything that I believe. I comment because you display the very arrogance that you decry. As I told you previously, you attack religious certitude, but you display plenty of certitude yourself. Those who are in the habit of being cocksure about everything have no business griping about others who are equally proficient in that category. And if you don’t like arrogance, then take the beam out of your own eye. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
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May 11, 2021 at 12:40 pm
Thank you, Sister Elaine. You are very kind. As to Leona, I lean against “her” being Leo. Their writing styles, so far, do not match, and Leona, in spite of her being similar to Leo in her pathological hatred of religion, has so far not displayed the same troll-like behavior of the other. So, for me, the jury is still out in that regard.
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May 11, 2021 at 1:30 pm
You are so welcome Bro Scalia!
Here’s the thing….
I have not had the pleasure, or should I say displeasure, of engaging with Leo, so I have nothing to compare with except by what Paul says.
So many times the same troll will invade online conversations with slight variations of their names and different writing styles as an attempt to masquerade their identity ….so I would not be surprised if they were one in the same moron.
What I am 100% sure of is that “Leona” is one of the most arrogant individuals ever…..I have been saying this from the time of his/her 2nd posting.
He/she babbles on & on about stupid things that nobody cares about, except for Leo/Leona.
When he/she attempts to use Holy Scripture in the twisted erratic ways to push his/her misguided narrative, it only makes him/her look like a fool….especially when he/she writes posts that are 2 feet long, and yet they are instantly deleted by me.
Anyway, God is good, His Word is true and it is a beautiful day outside!
You have a wonderful day Bro Scalia!!
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May 11, 2021 at 2:15 pm
Leona ……… i use “lol” a lot with certain people because im lmao at their silliness.
here you go again …… “yapping, yapping, yapping” about silliness. none of that explains you election fraud deniers.
the problem is easy to solve ,,,,,,,,,,
– the statistical data proves irregularities. not just all of the states but with in states.
– based on the context these irregularities could be libtards/rinos trying to remove Pres trump from office.
– video evidence proves the voting machines can be manipulated to switch votes.
– other evidence shows ballots can be “adjudicated” and changed/saved in the machine, the original ballot destroyed and a new ballot with the “adjudicated” vote printed.
– the large numbers of mail in ballots increases the chances of fraud.
– only simple recounts or sample audits were done which could not find the fraud that we claimed occurred.
etc…………
nothing any election fraud denier has said disproves any of that evidence.
therefore a sane person that disagrees with us would say ……. that’s weird, let’s do a full forensic audit in a county where that data has anomalies to see what we find. and again where ever they did that they found massive fraud —- Michigan. and you do know the Michigan gov’t is trying to stop
further investigation in that county —- we aren’t surprised because that’s what a no good cheater would do.
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May 11, 2021 at 2:57 pm
lol ………… a person with a problem denies 2020 election fraud. it’s logical and reasonable to believe there was a 1st cause not bound by space, time and the material. most of the sharpest minds in history believe as i do on that topic.
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May 11, 2021 at 4:51 pm
Amen Paul,
And YET, with no proof or evidence whatsoever, the Leo’s/Leona’s of America and beyond, screamed, whined, pouted, protested, had conniptions, rioted and destroyed public & private property for 4 years while claiming President Trump committed election fraud against The HildaBeast.
Yet we Conservatives are supposed to shut our mouths and be censored when ACTUAL evidence of epic & massive voter fraud of the 2020 elections has occurred.
Man, the level of hypocrisy of these Leftist Leo’s and Leona’s is pathetic.
“lol lol lol lol” to all of them for the cheating fools that they are.
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May 11, 2021 at 5:25 pm
Elaine ……… it was hilarious even before the 2020 election lidtards were whining watch out Pres Trump is going to steal this election like he did in 2016.
after when they saw Biden was “selected” crickets on that issue and shouting from the roof tops how free and fair the 2020 election was.
we know now why Killary conceded in 2016 …….. because if they would’ve done deep dive forensic audits we would’ve discovered their cheating then.
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May 11, 2021 at 5:35 pm
100% true Paul!
Why is big tech, MSM, Hollyweird and the DemonRats so scared and yelling and throwing tantrums?…because their lies and treason is about to get exposed on a level we have never seen before.
Never underestimate President Trump’s 2018 Executive Order 🙂
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May 11, 2021 at 5:35 pm
Paul:
“most of the sharpest minds in history believe as i do on that topic”
I don’t speak for most, but I for one, disagree with that statement.
It is impossible for there to be a “1st cause”, however common the acceptance by most in their limited humanly state.
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May 11, 2021 at 7:35 pm
Mr Scalia:
“Now, how can the first sentence in my post be “[t]he only valid statement,” when I later “rightly observed” that Gould was probably referring to superstition?
Mea Culpa, I admit I erred on that one. You got me there.
That makes two (2) valid statements in your Post.
AND “And if Gould was merely referring to superstition, then” (scientific revolutions) “and the cosmos” (in anybody’s understanding) with respect to human centrality are” (completely relevant to understanding his reference)
In other words, it takes common sense construction in order to defend his remarks.
Taken at face value, not only does a tie go to the runner when all things are weighted equally as justice requires, the favor of respect, honor and integrity goes to the creator of a work; in this case ,the quote as you rightly assessed to be a superstitious belief reference and I agree, is righteous and valid.
I may seem polemic in challenging someone to a duel of ideas but I mean no disrespect or belligerence in my opposition nor am I given to insincere flattery in commendation. That is a natural maturing in the human experience and why “To thine own self be true”, is vital, so one cannot then be false to any man.
If a man short changes you, you must defend your integrity and demand what is owed you. If the man overpays you, you must defend that man’s integrity when it is known by you, as you would your own and return the over payment in order to be true to thine own self. You prove two things, your self-worth and the trust of the man’s integrity you gave light to by advocating for the man against your own inclination of “losers weepers, finders keepers” as kids we grew up hearing; it’s all part of “the shoe on the other foot”, empathy. For those who by practice have their senses trained up in the discernment of good and evil and choose the good, it takes discipline of a father. If you don’t have a physical father to train you, you have to find your spiritual father, I found mine by reading the Gospels. That’s why I quote scriptures, it is from my childhood familiarity when I was looking for my father.
There is a wealth of wisdom in the Bible, like a Record of Mankind and I Iike to quote wisdom wherever it is found, for example, Gould’s quote, when it says something succinctly and poignantly about a necessary proposition whose truth is so evident at first sight that no reasoning or demonstration can make it plainer. I find the Bible to be a wealth of wisdom, a hoard of knowledge acquired by experience or by observation by the writers, as well as a deep well of superstitious tradition and ritual.
Most people find what they look for in the Bible, among the diamonds and the dung. I prefer to sling diamonds for a more perfect union with the father I found there.
I hope you can hear me.
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May 11, 2021 at 8:13 pm
There’s no way I can read through 126 comments. For those of you who have been keeping up on this thread, did anyone offer any rebuttal to Dr. Frank’s data or analysis? If so, can you point me to the comment #s this material is contained in?
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May 11, 2021 at 11:06 pm
@Jason,
From what I saw, nobody directly rebutted Frank’s presentation. Derek came the closest when he said:
I can’t speak to Douglas Frank’s statistics (not my field), but he has a history of making unsupported and false claims as well. Here’s one of his “Pants on Fire” falsehoods:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/apr/16/douglas-frank/no-evidence-michigan-used-algorithm-manipulate-ele/
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May 12, 2021 at 10:18 am
@Leona Last
Polemics are fine in certain contexts. It just doesn’t work when you condemn your opponents’ certainty while exhibiting plenty yourself.
As to the Bible, there is certainly a wealth of wisdom therein, but your comments appear to render it a useful tool for whatever you happen to believe. Its authority, for you, extends no further than the boundary of your opinion. Given that, it bears no relevance to a person who considers all of it the word of God, for you will reject any counter from the Bible as irrelevant to your opinions. And given the resulting impasse, there can be no meaningful interaction with the Bible as the subject.
Anyway, that enough for me on this tangent. Since the topic is the smoking gun of election fraud, I’ll sign off.
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May 12, 2021 at 11:47 am
Leona ……….. lol …….. of course you disagree because that fact proves you wrong and that’s the definition of a delusional person with a reprobate mind. you and derekmathias do that often on many topics like 2020 election fraud.
others do it on a few like works righteousness heresy.
that’s why people like you just dismiss the rock solid agreed upon statistical voting data comparing Obama and Biden’s wins.
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May 12, 2021 at 1:04 pm
Paul, you cannot reason with a fool like Leo/Leona.
Fools lack the ability to reason.
Leon/Leona is no doubt a racist, bigot, marxist and self-important moron who is right only in his/her own eyes.
****Good news—-Liz Cheney the RINO is out. RINOS are being exposed & sifted out.
President Trump is being a CHAMPION in forming a NEW Republican party……..thank GOD!!!
And more Audits will be taking place!!!
Trust me Paul, President Trump is not out of the picture…..not by a long shot! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
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May 12, 2021 at 2:56 pm
Paul………
These videos are awesome…. let them be an encouragement because TRULY, the Best is Yet To Come…praise God!
https://rumble.com/vb78a9-an-incredible-video-from-the-az-republican-party-about-vote-theft-2020.html
https://rumble.com/vgsco7-trump-maga-rally-video-compilation.html
https://rumble.com/vc4lkz-save-the-world-fight-for-trump-video.html
https://rumble.com/vauwxp-trump-brings-giant-screens-to-rally-to-expose-new-video-of-bidens-long-hist.html
https://rumble.com/vcty4n-donald-j-trump-silent-running.html
https://rumble.com/vexnmp-donald-trumps-powerful-message-to-conservative-patriots-save-america.html
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May 12, 2021 at 5:45 pm
Elaine ……….. you got that right —– i learned that 40+ yrs ago. you can tell right away because of how they argue —- if they ignore your main point you know right away they are delusional/reprobates. sane people always address your main point or let you know they can’t refute it or agree with it but argue to have the wrong conclusion. that’s why 2 people like me have a discussion not an argument.
PTL they kicked Liz out —- “there’s only two parties now, patriots and traitors.”
don’t misunderstand i do have hope but ive also seen things go sideways before. hopefully this time it doesn’t happen and the Az audit gets done and the findings are made public. i heard a rumor they are only 13% completed with an estimate of doing 20,000 ballots a day. so an audit of 2,100,000 ballots is going to take a long time and now we see biden’s DOJ sticking their nose in there so —– time will tell.
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May 12, 2021 at 6:07 pm
Republican Party, as you know it, is on the way out along with their dear leader who is already out and will never get near the Oval Office again.
The Trumpians have trumped themselves into oblivion and a new Republican make-over party rom the old school of integrity, constitution, respect for country and the dignity of the people elected officials are given the privilege to serve by their democratic vote.
About 100 old school Republicans with grit are already forming and the hang onto Trump group will decline rapidly while the new generation becomes the Party of Force pushing the Trumplicans out on their proverbial asinine hole in the ground.
Goodbye lovers of selfishness, Dictators, Autocracy and the Divine Rights of Kings of the Ancients, your greed for money and lust for control and power is going with you and you will die in your sins. You have the metaphorical.
Where the body is, there will the eagle(vultures) gather.
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May 12, 2021 at 6:23 pm
AMEN Paul, only the guilty would try to obstruct.
I did not read Leo/Leona’s nonsense, but by the looks of the length of his/her nonsensical babblings, he/she is scared…very scared……and the guilty should be scared….LOL to Leo/Leona!
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS STILL PRESIDENT…….that’s who the majority voted for!
Meanwhile Biden draws a crowd of 3 or 4……. and the world’s leaders laugh and mock him! He and Kammie are puppets…….but their day is coming.
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May 13, 2021 at 5:40 pm
Leona …………. lmao —– but if your side had this evidence we’d believe you.
lol ………… that’s the difference and proves there’s nothing wrong with us.
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May 13, 2021 at 5:59 pm
Paul:
“if your side had this evidence we’d believe you.”
But that’s your whole problem; you’ve got lots and lots, tons of belief already but you don’t have knowledge; aka as evidence to prove your believe in or out of court.
You can take your belief to the church or to this blog, and wow everybody will commend your awesome belief and be so proud of what you don’t know; well, now everybody would commend you but Elaine would flatter you a hundred fold and that should count like almost everybody. lol
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May 13, 2021 at 6:04 pm
leona ………… lmao —– your reprobate mind twisted what i said so i’ll rephrase.
lol ……….. if Killary had that evidence she’d have been correct. you reject the evidence because it proves Pres Trump right.
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May 13, 2021 at 6:05 pm
Paul
“but if your side had this evidence”
what evidence ? I can assure you that I am not one to follow any link posted down an Elaine rabbit hole of belief.
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May 13, 2021 at 6:15 pm
Paul:
I don’t know anybody named Killary; oh, and by the way all those weird adjectives you use to describe people you don’t know but only believe in your mind, with words you draw from your treasure and the treasure of Elaine, like “reprobate”. Here’s something neither you nor your flatterer know, when I repeat the word that you do not know the power of, I do not actually type the word myself so, in order to avoid contaminating my fingers and mind with, I simply cut and paste your word and send it back to you so your dirtiness stops with you.
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May 13, 2021 at 6:25 pm
Leo/Leona, I made an exception and skimmed your last 2 rants, so I will comment………lol!!!
YES, the OLD Republican RINOS are on their way out…..HALLELUJAH…..it’s called an answered prayer!!!
This is why we elected PRESIDENT TRUMP in both 2016 & 2020….to drain the swamp!!!!! It is all going as planned! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Many Patriots wanted PRESIDENT Trump to form a new political party, but he wisely declined…..instead we are draining the swamp and getting rid of the fakes and welcoming in the TRUE conservative patriots who are also lovers of Jesus Christ.
Because YOU Leo/Leona keep your face glued to CNN, you have no idea how many NEW conservatives are stepping up to the plate to run for office to replace the RINOS.
I am talking about SPIRIT-FILLED CHRISTIANS of EVERY COLOR are going to be the face of the new & improved Republican Party……………..meanwhile, the PERVERTS of the Democrat party are quietly resigning or not seeking re-election.
As far as me as “flattering” Paul…….really? It’s not called “flattery” when I appreciate & agree with what Paul or Scalia says……it’s called agreeing with the truth that they present.
As far as “flattery” goes……that’s what you do towards Derek…….you have GUSHED over him to the point of sounding like a little school girl who has a crush on her teacher.
So to you Leo/Leona….lol lol lol lol lol……Liz Cheney does not posses the power to keep President Trump from the Oval Office…and neither do you.
Ultimately our hope is in Jesus Christ – the One True God and it’s up to Him who leads our Nation, not you, not Pelosi and not Cheney.
Get ready for the storm and with it will come a Revival and a great harvest of souls for Jesus Christ!! Hallelujah! 🙂 🙂 🙂
Meanwhile Leo/Leona, you can go sit in the corner with your double mask, face shield and all the vaccines & boosters you want…have fun!
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May 13, 2021 at 6:28 pm
Oh Paul:
For the time being I am quite busy but maybe tomorrow I might have a few minutes during a coffee break to waste on you. And your companion from Revelation but I cannot cite the scriptural term right at the moment because I do not have permission from the omni-powers to every word the powers allow me, lest I be like her and you.
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May 13, 2021 at 7:31 pm
Paul here is one thing I believe. I have more hope for you than I do for the flatterer. And here’s why.
I believe you are more your own person with a mind of some control still compared to your companion blogger who is the sport of every wind that Trump flatulates across cyberspace.
And so I tell say to you You may have heard of the Colonial Pipeline shut-down was shut down by ransomware hackers for a week that stopped the flow of combustion engine fuel to a third of the country. That shut down finally ended today and you ought to know and understand why.
First, because they got their demand met. Colonial paid the talented bad guys five (5) million dollars.
These cyber-talented bad guys are the typical acquaintances that Guliano broke bread with and rubbed shoulders with on behalf of Trump looking for dirt against his presidential opponent…that is the investigation under which Guliano is now sweating over.
This is the kind of event we are in for with the GOP and the Trump leadership, pied piping them into the oblivion march, not as your companion suggests, to a march of glory, uh uh, to the march of disruption, and if you don’t open your eyes to see the way in and the way out, you will be at a sad disadvantage and if you are not proactive to stay afloat and stuck on the outside in, you will end up being stuck inside out.
One doesn’t need to be a prophet to see the trends unfolding, every generation has the same opportunity to see trending and either prepare for it or partake in it. You will be saved if you do not partake in it and otherwise if you follow the BIG LIE because no lie is ever the truth and no truth is ever a lie.
I know you have the discernment but your brain has grown complacent and fat and needs to be exercised to toughen up the discretion muscle to do it.
I also know that all correction is grievous to be borne but blessed it he who overcomes and adheres to the necessity, to be so loved, to feel that burden.
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May 13, 2021 at 9:34 pm
Leona …………. lmao —— if i can’t snap people like you out of your delusion i’ll continue to point out your errors.
lol ………. not 1 of you cre cre election fraud deniers has said anything intelligent —- you whole argument is there’s no fraud because we say no fraud occurred. the audit in Maricopa recently reported great news for our side though.
lol ……….. and your cont’d yapping, yapping, yapping is irrelevant. it’s irrelevant because it does not disprove the statistical data. you do understand why dna is evidence right ? statistically if your dna matches you did the crime —- unless you have an identical sibling. so based the election data —– it’s statistically impossible that data occurred by chance. which means —- massive fraud occurred.
lol …………. and only a reprobate like you keeps yapping on and on and on there was no fraud with out proving the data, agreed upon by all parties, is wrong. see based on the latest reports of the Maricopa county audit i can’t be wrong —– because it proves my scenario correct which is also supported by the data as well as behavior of the county BOS.
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May 13, 2021 at 9:41 pm
Elaine ……….. thx for the links and good news today from Maricopa county.
these delusional reprobates will never admit they were wrong even if we get convictions in court. all im hoping for is the few sane people voting democrat will wake up and see what’s going on so the West can have a revival before these libtards/rinos turn us into a CCP satellite state
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May 13, 2021 at 10:34 pm
Paul you keep talking about data but you have not produced any data. <You just babble about data but you have none there's no data that's part of the big lie an illusion like your God and you blessing and your pseudo praise and glory, It's all a dream masquerading as reality in the speculator conspiracist mind of those too weak to come to the common senses or else you would show the data to the Judge but you have no data, no evidence, no fraud, you only have the Golden Calf from Mt Sinai that Moses saw when he returned from his isolation.
You are the fraud and Fraud is your friend, Your Fraud is an illusion like your pseudo god of the desert.
The Maricopa delude dudes are packing it up tonight and moving out of Dodge until the graduation is over and then the'll unpack and go at it for another several months looking for bamboo fibers and then they'll be looking for coconut tailings, then they'll conjure up another Y2K and whatever, the mind demonizes or another armageddon and on and on and on ad infinitum ad nauseam. God made you sick from that mental institution to teach you a lesson and they only let you out last year from the asylum and you're back at it again until you have another nervous breakdown or catch COVID from a vaccine denying idiot.
Was it God who made things crooked? Obviously not. Ecclesiastes 7:29 notes: “God made mankind upright, but they themselves have sought out many plans.” The Contemporary English Version paraphrases this verse: “We were completely honest when God created us, but now we have twisted minds.” You were so sweet when you were in diapers, innocent until proven guilty of insanity.
Let's go on a retreat and let the organizers twist out minds so we can envision the rivers of milk and honey and diet coke, to twist our minds like we did last summer.
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May 13, 2021 at 10:41 pm
Face reality. You’re not fooling anybody.
You did not make an exception; the simple fact is YOU LIED BUT can’t admit it, so you make up another lie. Fess up, pathetic one, or cease your tongue no more against your neighbor. The embarrassment is unbearable to you.
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May 13, 2021 at 11:21 pm
Paul,
It is useless to argue & debate with people like Derek and Leo/Leona.
Their mindset is fixed on emotion & biases, instead of facts, decency and logic….they are both TOXIC TIME WASTERS.
Leo/Leona actually sounds like he/she is DRUNK when he/she babbles on & on about new age nonsense without making one lick of sense.
His/her postings are single-digit-IQ incoherent nonsense.
Derek has made it his life’s goal to convince people that there is no God. Sounds like to me he is doing that to convince himself of his own delusion…it’s an obsession that possesses him. He is a complete tool.
So NO WAY are we, or anybody else are going to convince them otherwise…..it is a complete waste of time to engage….like I said, they are toxic time wasters and no amount of proof, evidence or reasoning will convince them otherwise.
They will have to learn the truth the hard way….but then again, they will probably reject truth because of a reprobate mindset.
And Paul, about what you said about a few democrats waking up, is so true…ohmygosh it is happening Brother!!!
I now live in the Belly of the Beast – Silicon Valley and many of my democrat neighbors and acquaintances are actually regretting that they voted for Biden!
Between paying almost $5.00 a gallon of gas, to the southern border disaster to the warring of the Palestinians against the Israelis…..NONE of this would be happening under a Trump Administration……and I only mentioned a few of the Biden/ Harris disasters……we need to buckle our seatbelts because there are more disasters to come in ways you cannot imagine……but there is HOPE….trust me, there is HOPE!!! 🙂
Paul, It’s time to pray like never before against the spiritual wickedness.
Check out Ephesians 6:10… (it’s POWERFUL!!)
“Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might.
Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Stand therefore, having girded your waist with truth, having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and having shod your feet with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked one.
And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God; praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, being watchful to this end with all perseverance and supplication for all the believers.”
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Paul….we must stand strong, have courage, love truth & righteousness, read His Word, love our neighbor and love the Lord our God with all our heart, mind and strength and His grace, love and mercy will carry us through the darkness into the light.
HE is so faithful!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
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May 14, 2021 at 6:51 am
When advertisers look at the kind of filth coming out of the mouths of “cut and paste” reprobate minds, who turns the term God into vomit, spewing from a volcanic heart the dogs waiting to re-eat…and no Eliane, you can’t use my iwords of insults because they are copyrighted and you will be infringing. Besides you have enough of yoour own with 50 years of practice.
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May 14, 2021 at 6:52 am
ADVERTISERS will flee like fleas. No you can’t use that either.
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May 14, 2021 at 4:49 pm
Wow, there are WAY too many comments piling up here to address, so I’ll just respond to a few of the more egregious ones:
“it’s not ” conspiracy theory thinking” oh delusional one. it is based on the evidence which can not lie because it is just the data of who got what votes in what counties. what you are doing however is gaslighting —– the only question is are you a useful idiot for those people or a true believer.”
If you’re getting your information from hyper-partisan sources (right or left), you’re almost guaranteed to be fed false, conspiracy-laden claims. And judging by the few attempts you and Elaine have made to support your claims with links, your sources are hyper-partisan in the extreme.
People have an innate problem with confirmation bias; they seek out information that confirms what they already believe and ignore evidence that contradicts that belief. This is why you’re latching onto demonstrably false media claims as if they’re a slam dunk. Instead, why don’t you actually FACT CHECK your claims? And no, that does not mean frantically googling data to fit your predispositions, but take a lesson from science and try to debunk your OWN claims. That’s what I do, and it’s why I rarely make mistakes. Go to sites like:
https://www.factcheck.org/ (extremely low bias)
https://apnews.com/hub/ap-fact-check (extremely low bias)
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/ (accurate but slight left bias)
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/ (for claims by pundits specifically)
https://www.snopes.com/ (more for urban legend claims, accurate but slight left bias)
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
https://sciencefeedback.co/ (PhDs in the relevant fields on science claims)
That doesn’t mean fact checkers don’t make mistakes and don’t have some bias (after all, reality has a liberal bias), but those that can’t support their fact-checking with credible evidence go out of business. Not that I expect you to suddenly become a rational fact checker (conservatives simply don’t care as much about facts unless they support their agenda: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/07/david-plouffe-citizens-guide-beating-donald-trump and they’re more susceptible to believing in conspiracy theories: https://www.psypost.org/2020/11/conservatives-propensity-toward-conspiracy-thinking-can-be-explained-by-a-distrust-in-officials-and-paranoid-thinking-58459), but be aware only the highly gullible will take your claims seriously if you haven’t at least tried to DISPROVE your own claims. That’s how science works, and why it’s so effective.
“and the latest news is Beijing Biden’s DOJ wants to stop the Az audit —– no surprise there. why anyone would want to stop an audit of the most free and fair election ever is hilarious.”
It’s not about the ELECTION, it’s about the AUDIT PROCESS. There are multiple legitimate reasons for wanting to stop the latest audit:
1. It’s being run by Doug Logan, who promulgated the “stop the steal” conspiracy theory and thus has an obvious bias
2. It’s not being conducted with any transparency
3. It’s not following chain of custody rules, resulting in unverifiable ballots
4. Security is so lax that ballots and computers are left unattended
5. The audit company has no election experience
6. Ballot auditors are not all using the same methods for evaluating ballots
7. There have already been multiple audits of the ballots, run by conservatives, with no significant voting irregularities found
(See https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/04/ask-politifact-why-are-arizona-republicans-auditin/ for more reasons.)
For these reasons, no results will be considered valid, no matter what the results are. You need a strictly transparent, secure and independent auditing in order for it to be trusted. The Cyber Ninjas audit is none of that. If you can’t see that, then you’re not someone to be taken seriously.
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May 14, 2021 at 5:09 pm
“Just because Jesus may be a storybook character, that doesn’t mean he’s not a good character, doesn’t mean he hasn’t got wisdom to impart.”
That may be true, but he also imparted some very unwise claims as well, such as the teaching of children about salvation and eternal damnation. It has caused massive trauma to children all over the world. Here’s just one example: https://kayla-jo.medium.com/i-was-traumatized-by-fear-of-hell-all-my-life-1904a194f26f.
“So in that respect I am an a-theist but I am not averse to or even against believing in and coming to know a God other than the Theism God of Christianity and Judaism.”
I get what you’re saying, but technically theism is the belief in a god or gods who interact with humans (as opposed to deism, which is belief in a god or gods who just created the universe and don’t interfere with humanity). If you believe in either theism or deism, technically you’re not an atheist.
Atheism is the lack of belief in ANY deities, although the term has often been misused throughout history. Fun fact: the ancient Romans considered Christians to be atheists! https://evangelicalfocus.com/feature/5286/christians-are-atheists
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May 14, 2021 at 5:25 pm
leona ………. lmao —- no need to follow any links i posted the data here that shows the fraud —- which your side has not disproven.
lol ……….. and more evidence came out lately proving fraud —– you can ignore the evidence and remain in your delusion as you wish.
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May 14, 2021 at 5:28 pm
leona ………….. lmao —- the nov 3, 2020 election data is available for all to see.
if you haven’t reviewed it yet say it doesn’t prove fraud only proves you are a delusional fool with a reprobate mind.
and the hi-lites i posted above
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May 14, 2021 at 5:46 pm
Elaine ……….. did you read what leona wrote. s/he hasn’t seen the data but the data doesn’t prove anything. lol ……that proves s/he is a “maroon” because how can you say evidence is not evidence if you didn’t review it ?
and as you know i posted the analysis of the evidence above which proves fraud occurred. this is similar evidence a bank would use to prove fraudulent transactions on your account.
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May 14, 2021 at 6:04 pm
Paul, I do not read Leo/Leona’s posts any more at all, except for 2 that he/she posted yesterday and I think he/she was drunk when he/he posted it.
I have two emotions when I have read his/her posts……
I laugh at how nonsensical and stupid he/she writes, and then I am repulsed by his/her arrogance.
Honestly Paul, he/she is not playing with a full deck…..which explains why he/she cannot comprehend truth, facts or carry on with a coherent conversation.
Leo/Leona is craving attention and loves to have the last word….(if only his/her words made sense, that would be a plus)
But on the bright side, so many democrats are resigning and/or not seeking re-election.
For some reason I am on the democrat mailing list and I am getting emails non-stop from Nancy Pelosi & Stacey Abrams having anxiety attacks over how they might get a shellacking in 2022 AND they are worried that President Trump will return
HAHAHA…..He never left…..He is at Mar-A-Lago with visiting Generals, Dignitaries and CONSERVATIVE Republicans and organizing an even more powerful MAGA movement than before!!!
Oh my goodness, so much is happening and the Dems are panicking!!!
And Paul, our President Trump will be holding his rallies next month…A-W-E-S-O-M-E!
May God bless our brave and patriotic President Donald J. Trump and give him strength, wisdom & a refreshing of HIS Spirit 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
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May 14, 2021 at 6:20 pm
Paul, I thought you’d like this, straight from Mar-A-Lago… 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
https://republicandaily.net/2021/05/hilarious-picture-from-mar-a-lago-is-bringing-joy-to-twitter-users/
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May 14, 2021 at 6:33 pm
There’s an old adage: Statistics don’t lie Statisticians do.
To turn the phrase
Data doesn’t lie, Datasticians do.
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May 14, 2021 at 6:38 pm
Elaine ……….. thx for the link and lots of good news out of Maricopa while they break for grad parties ? i heard they had ~500,000 of the ~2,100,000 ballots done while criminal behavior has been exposed —- ie. data deleted, subpoenas
not being complied with, the BOS admitted dominion basically ran the election, dominion refusing to hand over passwords to the auditors, ballots not properly handled/stored.
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May 14, 2021 at 6:39 pm
Hi Paul:
Elaine doesn’t want you dialoguing with me because I offer lively intellectualism to stimulate the senses. Compare that to flattery, and lively intellect wins every time.
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May 14, 2021 at 6:45 pm
leaona ………… lmao —- not in this instance it doesn’t oh delusional one. the data proves fraud period just as the evidence i posted above shows. no sane person can dismiss it —- but people like you can.
lol ……… intellect + delusional thought is what you are doing and that never wins.
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May 14, 2021 at 6:59 pm
derekmathias ……….. lmao —- im not getting my evidence/”information from hyper-partisan sources” oh delusional one. that’s the gov’t stats from the nov 2020 election — which you delusional people just dismiss.
lol …………. you people are really out to lunch so i’ll help you —– how can biden have beaten Pres Trump based on the agreed upon data —- number of counties biden won and number of votes he received ?
lol …………. those patterns have never occurred and biden had to win those specific counties in those specific swing states when the vote are way higher than other counties in the same state plus huge numbers of ballots being “adjudicated” in those counties where biden had to win. 100,000 plus ballots in Fulton county where the vote counting was also stopped. all of the factors having to happen together is what’s called statistically impossible. and in context with ALL of the other evidence proves massive fraud and it’s delusional people like you, leona and all of the other election deniers are the “hyper-partisan” not us.
lol ……….. im not “hyper-partisan” because since im sane if your side had this evidence you’d be correct.
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May 14, 2021 at 7:14 pm
Exactly Paul…so many laws were broken…..Dominion along with certain individuals are going to have to face the music and it will not be pleasant.
CRIME DOES NOT PAY.
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May 14, 2021 at 7:27 pm
Elaine ………… as i said if a conservative would disobey a subpoena like those people in Maricopa they’d be in jail.
and i’ll just add —- those stats i posted above are not based on a “survey” or “poll” where if proper selection did not occur the data would be meaningless.
they are the stats from the election and therefore can not be manipulated to prove fraud they just show the fraud. fraud which anybody that took a
polysci class knows has always existed and in some places like Chicago a lot.
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May 14, 2021 at 9:09 pm
Derrek:
“but he also imparted some very unwise claims as well, such as the teaching of children about salvation and eternal damnation.”
Derek, when it comes to Jesus, I challenge you to find one scripture where Jesus “imparted some very unwise claims such as teaching children about salvation and eternal damnation.”
I know Jesus better than anybody, and I know you will not find one verse of scripture attributed to Jesus about the claim you made. Jesus taught by his manner, behavior, message, and word that only welcomed, loved, was kind and gentle and never spoke a single word about salvation or damnation to children. Never one word. The hell you refer to did not come from Jesus at all and seemed to have come from Augustine and Dante into Christian lore. ( https://www.vision.org/hell-origins-idea-626 )How did you ever extrapolate anything Jesus said to make such an allegation. It’s preposterous.
Jesus never spoke directly to children and only spoke about children to adults regarding children; for example, to say, “suffer the children to come to me for of such is the Kingdom of Heaven made.”
“If you believe in either theism or deism, technically, you’re not an atheist.”
That is a false statement. A Theism God (Personal, intervening, prayer seeking, praise seeking, groveling-seeking, lip ring-kissing, toe-sucking God is fashioned after the kinds of demands Egos of Dictators, Autocrats, and Kings who are so starved for attention demand. They want their Picture to appear all over the place as giant screens for everybody to gaze at in awe. That would not be suitable even for a Theism God, but in fact, that is the God Concept Man created for himself to justify a groveling-seeking ego. Furthermore, that statement presumes that a Creation took place in a time/space continuum, a ludicrous claim by a limited knowledge entity such as a mere human. A raging pitbull fight or two cocks to the death is the attitude of a boundless Omni-Ego.
The hell-fury in your source link never came from Jesus. It was introduced by Judaism and embellished by Christianity. So few Christians know anything about Jesus at all.
Finally: “Atheism is the lack of belief in ANY deities,” Which cannot but be false on its face. Theism and Deism are two different and distinct concepts. If you do not believe or accept a God Concept of Theism, you are an Atheist. If you do not believe in or get the God Concept of Deism, you are an Adeist.
Let’s for a moment throw out the term God, get rid of God. You still have the Concept of Theism and the Concept of Deism. Still, neither of those two terms, separately or together in a box of crayons, have the sufficiency to define the true power Power that the term we just threw out represented.
Forget the popular trends or the popular beliefs. This world has too much speculation and not enough sense to acquire enough knowledge to know enough to define the Concept thoroughly or adequately enough, and we’re left then, with a hodgepodge caricature stew of a thousand and one shades of gray. All over the bloody world, each cock-rooster God ready to fight to the death to defend their cock-rooster God-Belief; that is all it is. And it is still two thousand years after the one is a thousand generational genius brought that exact message to town, and they rejected him then. They continue to deny him now; they just don’t know him and could care less about taking the time to get to know him because they’re too pigheaded to let their belief system go to the garbage heap where the hell it belongs.
Look at the Middle East, and this isn’t the first-time Flare-up. It’s because one Group of fellow-man wants to rule by their God over the other Group of fellow-man who follows a different Belief System. And every pigheaded, asinine Group needs a lesson in the one thing that unites humans, “humanity,” that’s all. And included in that humanity is a simple axiom “Nobody is better than you or anybody else, and you are no better than me or anybody else either.”
Let Beliefism go to its rightful demise as Jesus advised. He tried to revolutionize the Belief Industry after he met with one of the richest men in town, Nicodemus, a leader in the Sanhedrin Ruling Authority, and Jesus declared that problem in two of the least quoted bible verses today. And nobody paid one darn bit of attention to it then.
“Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen, and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? John 3:11/12.
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May 14, 2021 at 11:04 pm
Paul?
Are these numbered paragraphs you pasted “above”, is that what you are calling data? OMG Please don’t make me laugh so hope you are not going to say yes! For example: On the 2020 Election?
1 – Total vote:
President Trump received more votes than any previous incumbent seeking reelection. He got 11 million more votes than in 2016, the third largest rise in support ever for an incumbent. By way of comparison, President Obama was comfortably reelected in 2012 with 3.5 million fewer votes than he received in 2008.
But how is this 2020 election? Obama ran in the 2012 election and he didn’t run against Obama in 2020 so how is this data, data? It’s not
It’s called hyperbole by a gossiper, whisperer, flatterer that scripture warns everybody to beware of the kind of people who spinners of delusion are compared to
Be Aware and be afraid, be very afraid of the corruption that is not just touching you but it is covering you in a silk stocking wrapping like a Christmas Proselyte wrapped and ribbon tied for the devil herself.
Now to be fair you have not confirmed if the sample I note is what you are calling posted data. I can’t believe you have the audacity or the lack of schooling to call it data so I shouldn’t be negative, you probably mean some real government data about the 2020 election that Trump and Biden were candidates in not Trump and Obama. Except I just can’t find anything from you that looks like anything but biblical swear words like reprobate and other words I have already shredded in my memory shredder as meaningless and useless. So if the sample from paragraphs noted are data then you need to take some English Second Language classes because It cannot be your first language if you think that counts as data.
Do you even know what DATA IS JUST A BUNCH OF NUMBERS
HOWEVER, to reach audiences with data-driven content, what really matters is your ability to craft a good story, and there’s very little math required. In fact, discomfort with numbers may actually lead you to ask the right questions to create the most interesting and accessible data-driven content.
So the story of the DATA has a built-in preferential bias at its inception; in other words, who takes the data builds a story around the theme she is looking to describe the message.
So what you posted was somebody using data to write the story which premise presumes fraud and therefore the story of the data afor the presumptive is woven to bring the story to the inevitable conclusion that the premise sets forth.
Now the exact same data of numbers given to somebody who presumes a no fraud premise, the opposite conclusion would be reached, so you see, the data by itself is like a few dozen eggs sitting in the box, meaningless in itself BUT what gives the data meaning is the context of the narrator telling the story with her preferential biasism. The same data will be used to reach different conclusions with the context. That’s why the data is of no importance and no court would ever allow it because of the very reason I just explained.
As with any story, with data storytelling you’re trying to convey a larger message—and as with any good story, you’re conveying that message in a way that offers a memorable insight or surprise: for example:
1. Facebook shares are highest on Saturdays?
2. 70% of Americans re-arrange the dishes in the dishwasher that somebody
else has loaded?
You see, the ability to recognize an insight or finding, that is really engaging and actionable—versus one that is boring or irrelevant—matters a lot more than your ability to determine levels of statistical significance (though you do need to know a few rules of thumb). And that ability is inextricable from the core competencies of a good communicator: knowing how to identify and target an audience, how to craft a key message, and how to ensure quality in execution.
It’s the SPIN stupid.
You however, apparent to me at least do not understand what you just read; otherwise you would not be making yourself look uneducated and incapable of realizing it yourself without somebody like me trying to help you along the knowledge line and get you out of the Beliefism Rut you are stuck blindly in for lack of knowledge and education.every time you try to sell the notion: “it’s the data. It’s the data. That’s the evidence!
NO IT’S NOT!
It’s like the village idiot that doesn’t know she is wearing a big note on his back that says “KICK ME” and while everybody is laughing at her she thinks it’s because she is good at telling jokes.
But you are a buffoon to keep it up and a baboon if you persist and refuse to get it. This reminds me of the old proverb , even a fool appears intelligent if he doesn’t open his mouth. So when you shout about the DATA to the rafters.
Do some research and you just may learn something that you obviously don’t know. Ignorance is not a shameful thing, we are all that way; it’s why we go to school to get what? To get knowledge and the fraud you keep talking about and those who want you to do that don’t care if you make a fool of yourself s long as they perpetuate the lie over and over and over. which is why Trump cannot stop throwing the sticky stuff against the wall some of it sticks, And to whom it sticks they will follow him like he was the pied piper and he’ll win your vote and possibly you money by donation so he can linger is lifestyle of wealth by other people’s toil.
Good luck
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May 15, 2021 at 1:57 pm
Leona ……. lmao —- no one can be a stupid as you so that’s how i know you are delusional. you don’t know which post the data im referring to is ? are you going to say next what data ? lol ……. Elaine knows but since you have proven you are cre cre i’ll tell you —– post 91.
lol ………. see you do what your delusional buddies like derekmathias and scalia do twist and pervert everything that proves you wrong. that is “factual data” not data from a poll/survey which can be manipulated. that “factual data” is like mathematical probabilities which is evidence.
lol ……….. see oh delusional one none of your sides evidence has refuted those facts. i knew massive fraud occurred when the GA gov’t official announced on the news they had to “adjudicate” 100,000 plus ballots in Fulton county.
lol ………… ALL the sane people now know because of recent news from the Maricopa audit —- it’s 100% certain massive fraud occurred. that’s because of the 3 recent statements from the az senate, Maricopa county BOS and Dominion company. if you don’t know what that’s about you are ignorant —- quick summary ………. Dominion told the senate they won’t give the passwords which a court order says the senate can have.
lol ……… that’s like your book keeper telling you he won’t give you your financial info so you can have the company you hired to audit your books for year end.
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May 15, 2021 at 3:43 pm
Just as I thought if you read my last Post.the 17 points are talking points based on Data skew, everybody does it from marketing to the farmer who has the best eggs in town.
““factual data” is like mathematical probabilities which is evidence.” The numbers by themselves may be said to be data, but the data doesn’t tell a story, spin doctors do to make you believe their make believe. As soon as they get your hands on it and start the context spinning, out goes the data and in comes the spin doctors of speculation and conspiracy. And out goes the light in yo9ur brain as darkness of nothingness sets in on the non sensical wind of which you and Elaine are the sport of every spinner. They love you guys, just the proselytes they need to carry on the trade of deceit Satan’s little helpers without a discretionary bone in their body and putty for a brain. You are like the New Wizard of Oz the lion, the tin man and the scarecrow.
Hey, everybody does it that’s why it is so unreliable. But you, you are too delusional because your cranium is stuck up inside your rectum where the light can’t shine through enough to let you KNOW, so you are stuck up your Kyber Pass mired in that silly little language you think is solid, called BELIEF.
There is nothing less solid than the language of belief. it’s a pseudo dollar-store kleenex tissue trying to wipe your nose in the rain.
Your Brain is DOA, Deluded on Arrival and that, without remedy.
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May 15, 2021 at 6:30 pm
Leona …………. lmao —– it’s Your Brain that is DOA.
lol ………. the worthless data you are talking about oh delusional one —- is the sample “audits” your cre cre side says proves the elections were free and fair.
that’s because the samples were not properly sized and selected.
lol ……… the data i posted above is rock solid and stats like that are being used all of the time like in the covid 19 vaccine. doctors know the odds of anybody getting a blood clot and apparently they know blood clots are a side effect of some covid 19 vaccines. and now based on numerous shots given they now know how many people that had a blood clot shortly after a covid 19 vaccine —– therefore depending how different those numbers are. this way they calculate a cost/benefit analysis of should certain people get that vaccine or not.
lol ………. that’s exactly what they do with the data for the election —– and the data proves something statistically impossible happened —– and based on ALL of the other evidence that proves massive fraud. but again —– i can’t be wrong oh delusional one about fraud ….. because some one committed massive fraud. the problem for you is ALL of the evidence points to you libtards/rinos are the ones that did it.
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May 15, 2021 at 7:39 pm
Paul:
You dear Leader called Georgia and requested the secretary of State to commit fraud so he could win and that is under investigation. You must have heard the story by now. Here is ajust a small portion to jolt your memory> And the very last thing sid is about Data.
The Washington Post obtained a recording of the conversation in which Trump alternately berated Raffensperger, tried to flatter him, begged him to act and threatened him with vague criminal consequences if the secretary of state refused to pursue his false claims, at one point warning that Raffensperger was taking “a big risk.”
Throughout the call, Raffensperger and his office’s general counsel rejected Trump’s assertions, explaining that the president is relying on debunked conspiracy theories and that President-elect Joe Biden’s 11,779-vote victory in Georgia was fair and accurate.
“The people of Georgia are angry, the people of the country are angry,” he said. “And there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, that you’ve recalculated.”
Raffensperger responded: “Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong.”
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May 15, 2021 at 9:13 pm
Paul, have you read this article about President Trump’s call to Georgia?
It’s all here…the full truth.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/01/the_media_are_lying_about_trumps_phone_call_with_raffensperger.html
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May 16, 2021 at 1:09 pm
Leona …………. lmao …….. the call doesn’t disprove the evidence just released from Maricopia co. which proves massive fraud by libtards/rinos.
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May 16, 2021 at 1:16 pm
“Raffensperger responded: ‘Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong.’ ”
Which means in the full light of truth: that every claim Trump made in the phone call with the Head GOP and no authority, no brain followers like Paul and Elaine who can’t think any longer, They are content with spoon-fed pablum of false food to the deceit brim of satiation. And when the tree falls, there it lays.
All the votes had been counted and Trump lost by the margin that makes a democracy a democracy. Elections are won and lost on the number of votes for the candidates….the highest number of votes win every other candidate in the race loses Trump et al. That’s why he called the Secretary of State because the votes were in and he lost. He thought he could get the Secretary to be another sucker and fall for the deceit, but Raffensperger. like Liz Cheney, even though they were Republicans still held a thread called “DECENCY” to be true to oneself and refused to be coerced. That’s why Trump’s data was wrong, because everything he said in that call was a lie for show and for pretense for the people without a brain’s grain of discretion or discernment to suck up and make fools of themselves perpetuating lies as truth, and truth as lies.
Just because the losing party will not admit defeat does not mean the losing party won, it just means that the man is not a man, he’s a mouse. He is not a man. He is a defect in the human race, and not the first defect by any means but the first that tried to overthrow the US government while he was still sitting in the power seat that was loaned to him by the voters who eventually took it away from him because he proved to be too much of a defect to lead a nation too full of decent people..
Mr Trump is a defective human being and if it wasn’t for the fact that he and Russian collusion that rigged the election of 2016 by massive fraud he would never have come to the Oval Office. But was lucky that his fraud worked the first time and was the reason the race went to Trump by way of the Russian hackers and GOP power-seeking Greeders who aided and abetted the fraud.
Reasonable people see reason and know it but Trump in his deficient capacity believes that very lie can become the truth by repeating the falsehood over and over and over and over and over and over again. Get it?
It’s the modus operandi of religion to repeat the lie so often. so many times, babies in every generation are born into the lie and accept it automatically as the truth, because people in authority and high places are expected to be honorable.
It is the capital distinction all religions ever started , fraud and deceit. Like the recent event of the Jonestown sacrificial mass suicide, and homicide of those who would not go along with the dear Leader, On November 18, 1978, Peoples Temple founder Jim Jones leads hundreds of his followers in a mass murder-suicide at their agricultural commune in a remote part of the South American nation of Guyana. Many of Jones’ followers willingly ingested a poison-laced punch while others were forced to do so at gunpoint. The final death toll at Jonestown that day was 909; a third of those who perished were children.
Their motto is “Truth and Every Truth is a lie. A Lie and Every Lie is the Truth. So when Trump began the 2016 campaign he uttered the motto that he was preparing to rig the Election. And it worked.
The psychology of a Defect is to accuse others of wrongful behavior early enough so the public will accept think the accuser would do such a thing.
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May 16, 2021 at 1:17 pm
Elaine ………… those libtards/rinos are so hilarious —– the phone call was a trap to set rattfacenburger up and he fell for it. only a delusional fool believes GA had to “adjudicate” 100,000 plus ballots.
see they have to shift, insult and nullify every one saying the truth —– the data/latest developments in Maricopa proves massive election fraud occurred .
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May 16, 2021 at 1:26 pm
Leona ………….. lmao —– the data is the agreed upon data by the federal gov’t supplied by the state of GA.
lol ……….. you are so delusional it’s hilarious —- your denial of the data is wrong. and your side is doing what all people do when caught —- lie, lie, lie/deny, deny, deny. there’s no way 100,000 plus ballots need to be “adjudicated” in that system —- so either the system is flawed OR it was designed for fraud.
lol ……….. see just like you rattenfaceburger just dismisses evidence because it doesn’t support him ……. the only question is why ? is he delsuional like you or does he see the high numbers of “adjudicated ballots”
proves a problem with GA voting system ?
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May 16, 2021 at 1:30 pm
Paul nothing proves nothing.Let them go to court and get thrown out of their defective rear ends again and again, but that doesn’t stop the coward liars.
Conspiracy is like jealousy, it is impossible to be satisfied. If you don’t find jealousy, you will continually look for it and never be satisfied not finding it what is gnawing you inside out. BUT if you do find jealousy you will never be satisfied for having found it because it will continue to gnaw you from the inside out.
But you should be as ill content by looking for the fraud by which Trump won the 2016 election. But though reasonable people knew he won by fraud they finally let it go and sure enough he took enough of the rope that was given to him and he hung himself with it. It’s the nature of the Defect. Give him enough rope and he’ll hang himself. And he did.
So let him go; he’s never coming back.There is no Second Coming. It’s a sham and always was a sham and you believe that ick ick like a nut, too.
Who believes belief is a lonely person.
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May 16, 2021 at 1:32 pm
The State of Georgia is not the Federal government..ick ick…
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May 16, 2021 at 1:38 pm
You could not convince 60 to 80 courts of the evidence you made up, why try to convince me? I do not adhere to ritualism nonsense by religious types so bo matter how long you repeat a lie, it will never override the truth. If only you knew the, God of and the truth of God, you would understand but unfortunately you are not one of the chosen and you did not listen to Jesus when he tried to tell you. Your ancestors did him in, that’s the nature of being a Defect because you seek your own flocking group.
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May 16, 2021 at 1:51 pm
Paul, I say this in the nicest way possible……
In a million years you will never convince Leo/Leona of the truth.
And it’s not because you don’t have the ability to speak truth, but people like Leo/Leona HATE truth if it goes against their agenda….they are narcissists….it’s all about them and what they think, instead of the facts.
Proverbs 26:3-4 says….
A whip is for the horse, a bridle for the donkey,
And a rod for the back of fools.
Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
Or you will also be like him.
This is the goal of Leo/Leona is to make you look foolish as he/she strings you along with his/her nonsense.
I was getting baited too by him/her as I was trying to show the facts, but he/she utterly rejects facts on a continuous basis….so it is a total waste of time to engage with people like this.
Plus it’s a immature game with them to see how long they can waste our time, usually because they are lonely & miserable individuals..
Not even God Himself will reason with a fool….so if He won’t, why should we?
You, me and tens & tens & tens of millions of others in America & around the world know the truth and that’s what matters 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
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May 16, 2021 at 2:02 pm
Elaine ………… i know that but it’s so much fun watching people like Leona making fools of themselves.
see people like you, Naz, TR, myself and a few others on here can see both sides of the problem. so for example …….. even if cre cre Leona was right and Pres Trump did something criminal in that call (he did not) does that prove the libtards/rinos did not do something criminal in the 2020 election ?
and ALL the sane people say —– what Pres Trump did or did not do in that phone call has nothing to do with what the data shows —– massive fraud occurred to steal the 2020 election for beijing biden.
lol ……….. that’s one of the main reasons you know people like Leona are full of bs —– they avoid the problem their argument has & over exaggerate/put in the worse light our sides arguments. typical gaslighting 101.
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May 16, 2021 at 2:08 pm
Leona ……….. lmao ………but the states run their election for federal offices or they should …… lol. the latest evidence out of the Maricopa audit shows the county BOS allowed dominion to run the election for them. you delusional people say the funniest things.
lol ……….. again see —- i can’t be wrong because if that’s not what happened the Az senate is the ones committing fraud. that means i right and you are still delusional. and since you can’t see that even when Elaine and me show you means you have a reprobate mind.
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May 16, 2021 at 2:11 pm
I get what you mean Paul and I understand…..I just don’t have that much patience or time to waste with foolish people.
Liars like Leona have become puppets of Saul Alinsky types, and they deflect & insult & pontificate as well as attempt to portray a superior spirituality, when in TRUTH, they are the children of Satan, because Satan is the daddy of all liars.
The thing is Paul, these people will soon sow what they reap……you and I may or may not witness it, but they sure will…..YIKES!
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May 17, 2021 at 5:18 pm
“Derek, when it comes to Jesus, I challenge you to find one scripture where Jesus “imparted some very unwise claims such as teaching children about salvation and eternal damnation.” I know Jesus better than anybody, and I know you will not find one verse of scripture attributed to Jesus about the claim you made.”
Well, Jesus (through the New Testament) was the one who introduced the concept of hell. It’s not exactly controversial among most theologians: https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-did-jesus-teach-about-hell/, and there are multiple applicable passages:
• Matthew 13:40-42 As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
• Luke 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into HELL. Yes, I tell you, fear him.
• Luke 16:22-28 The time came when the beggar [Lazarus] died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’ But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’
• Matthew 25:41-46 Then he will say to those on his left, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.” They also will answer, “Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?” He will reply, “Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.” Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.
• Mark 9:43 If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
Furthermore, if Jesus is God then he told people to teach children the Bible as far back as the OT:
• Matthew 19:14 Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
• Proverbs 22:6 Start children off on the way they should go, and even when they are old they will not turn from it.
• Deuteronomy 4:9-10 “Only be careful, and watch yourselves closely so that you do not forget the things your eyes have seen or let them fade from your heart as long as you live. Teach them to your children and to their children after them. Remember the day you stood before the Lord your God at Horeb, when he said to me, “Assemble the people before me to hear my words so that they may learn to revere me as long as they live in the land and may teach them to their children.”
• Deuteronomy 6:6-7 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up.
• Deuteronomy 11:18-19 Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads. Teach them to your children.
• Psalm 78:2-4 I will utter hidden things, things from of old—things we have heard and known, things our ancestors have told us. We will not hide them from their descendants; we will tell the next generation the praiseworthy deeds of the Lord, his power, and the wonders he has done.
If Jesus believed children were to be taught about Christianity, and the doctrine of hell (particularly avoidance of it) is central to Christianity, then it stands to reason that not only did Jesus introduce the concept of hell, he expected it to be taught to children. So I stand by my claim.
“Finally: “Atheism is the lack of belief in ANY deities,” Which cannot but be false on its face. Theism and Deism are two different and distinct concepts. If you do not believe or accept a God Concept of Theism, you are an Atheist. If you do not believe in or get the God Concept of Deism, you are an Adeist.”
I’m sure that sounds logical to you, but the term “adeist” is virtually unknown and unused. The reality is that the term “atheism” refers to those who lack belief in both the theistic gods and deistic gods. Some definitions:
Theism: “Belief in the existence of a god or gods, especially belief in one god as creator of the universe, intervening in it and sustaining a personal relation to his creatures.” https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803103635750
Deism: “Belief in a god who created the universe but does not govern worldly events, does not answer prayers, and has no direct involvement in human affairs.” https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803095707815
Atheism: “A lack of belief in gods.” https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/about-atheism/
Thus, at its broadest, theism is a belief in the existence of gods, and deism is a subset of theism that refers to “hands-off” gods. And atheism is a lack of belief in gods.
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May 18, 2021 at 12:30 pm
LOL ………….. delusional fools that can’t see the crystal clear evidence of 2020 election fraud arguing our creation doesn’t have a Creator
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May 18, 2021 at 3:04 pm
LOL ………….. just when the Maricopa county audit is exposing fraud while fraud is also being exposed in MI and NH ………. the libtards/rinos are howling that the audit be cancelled………. to funny as their other “audits” proved no fraud.
LOL ………….. and how can the BOS fail to comply with that subpoena and not get thrown in jail ? it’s hilarious because —- if i ignored a court order the feds would be kicking down my door and hauling me off to jail in hand cuffs.
that’s because those routers don’t have any sensitive data except the proof the affidavits claim —– those magic voting machines were hooked up to the
internet
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May 18, 2021 at 3:53 pm
Amen Paul…..Space Force tracked it all because it was connected to the internet.
Paul, trust me Derek and Leo/Leona know it was rigged too, this is why they are trying so hard to convince you otherwise. If they truly thought the election was straight-up, they would relax and simply say……”let’s see how it all pans out”…….but no, they are scared.
All of the democrats in politics know as well….this is why soooo many are not seeking re-election.
And so does Big Tech, that is why they are censoring everything.
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May 18, 2021 at 4:47 pm
“17 FACTS THAT PROVE BIDEN STOLE THE 2020 ELECTION”
So many problems with this claim.
For starters, out of the many independent polls conducted, Basham’s was essentially the only one that didn’t show Biden would win by a landslide. Furthermore, he has a serious credibility problem, since he evidently lied about receiving his PhD from Cambridge and having an academic history with the British Medical Journal: https://www.thedailybeast.com/patrick-basham-trumps-best-pollster-accused-of-faking-cambridge-phd
All the historically most accurate polls had Democrats overwhelmingly coming out to vote–not surprising, since 57% of the US disapproved of Trump’s job performance (most of them strongly disapproving) in the run up to the election: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/29/trump-suppress-vote-win-433460 and https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/blog/meet-press-blog-latest-news-analysis-data-driving-political-discussion-n988541/ncrd1229191#blogHeader. And that was BEFORE he encouraged the Jan 6 insurrection, which lost him much more support.
The claims of a statistical impossibility for Biden winning have been debunked by the fact checkers: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/false-claim-about-bidens-win-probability/
The reason Trump started strong initially in the ballot counts in some states, only to rapidly fade and lose to Biden is something that was easily predicted before the election: Trump kept railing against mail-in voting, but most Democrats and Independents prefer voting by mail. And since in-person voting is tallied first, it’s no surprise Trump started strong…until the mail-in votes were counted. That’s why he wanted the vote count STOPPED ASAP–even he knew he had a major disadvantage with mail-in votes.
And AGAIN, despite multiple audits in multiple states, there has been ZERO evidence of significant voter fraud. The only ones claiming there was fraud are extreme right-wing media sites that have no accountability, no credibility, and no actual evidence. If they had, they would have presented it. Instead, they’ve repeatedly said they HAVE the evidence, they just can’t reveal it yet for…reasons.
In other words, you have been gaslighted. I can say this with confidence because I read media from all ends of the spectrum, and you consistently parrot the most right-wing claims, not the reporting from the media sources with the highest ratings for reliability and low bias. Knowledge is power, and you clearly limit your own sources of knowledge. This is why I have no problem offering to bet you $1,000 that no widespread voter fraud will be found, the top Democrats won’t be arrested, and Trump will not be reinstated as president.
But you refuse to take the bet, which tells me you are mostly bravado with little conviction. Still, I hope you remember this argument a few years from now. Hopefully by then you will have come to realize your media sources are profoundly unreliable and have led you to believe nonsense. But I won’t hold my breath.
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May 18, 2021 at 5:03 pm
“delusional fools that can’t see the crystal clear evidence of 2020 election fraud arguing our creation doesn’t have a Creator”
Well, if you lack training in critical thinking skills, of course you’re going to be more susceptible to the claim that the election was stolen. Your “crystal clear evidence” just isn’t convincing to anyone who has learned informed skepticism.
Oh, and your claim about creation requiring a creator is what is known as an appeal to definition fallacy: https://effectiviology.com/appeal-to-definition/#:~:text=The%20appeal%20to%20definition%20(also,dictionary%20or%20a%20similar%20source. The term “creation” doesn’t literally mean an intelligent creator. After all, wind “creates” dust storms, but that doesn’t mean wind is anything other than a natural force.
Rational beliefs are based on evidence. If you can’t provide any actual evidence for a creator, then the basis for your claims are bound to be irrational. It’s as simple as that. And since neither you nor Elaine can manage to provide credible evidence for your claims–either about stolen elections or a creator–nor do you seem to be interested in learning any facts that contradict the extreme bias of your hyper-partisan echo chamber, I don’t see much point in continuing on this thread. So I’m done with it.
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May 18, 2021 at 5:28 pm
ADIOS DEREK!!!!!
Please feel free to take Leo/Leona with you!
You guys make a cute couple and you can drive each other crazy with each other’s rantings. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
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May 18, 2021 at 11:35 pm
Derek:
“Furthermore if Jesus is God……….”
“If Jesus believed children were to be taught about Christianity…….”
“I stand by my claim’
Who can make a stand on a proposition that begins with if………only an unknowledgeable because they don’t know any better. But Derek saying such nonsense, that’s unfathomable.
Think of it. Christianity didn’t exist when Jesus was around so how could Jesus teach Christianity and furthermore Jesus is not Christianity, nor was he ever never was and never will be.
Jesus was not God and was not around teaching children in the OT, neither was God for that matter.
And please just because you adhere to popular beliefs, I am not defined by them nor do I argue in their favor. To your own self be true is not to follow the crowd.
The closest anybody can come to be-ing what you define is to be that which you interpret. That’s what Jesus did. He behaved and lived and walked the thought as he interpreted the spirit and that’s as close to be-ing as you can be and that is, by being what you interpret, like Jesus did. Jesus interpreted the Father and therefore by being that interpretation he was the Son of that interpretation and he called the interpretation Father.
So it goes like this, Jesus said, “Not because I am God, though God I am.” If you’re smart enough to grasp, that that is not a distinction without a difference, you are closer to me than you realize.
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May 18, 2021 at 11:57 pm
Derek:
Atheism: “A lack of belief in gods.” but I don’t interpret gods that way; so if I don’t interpret Gods that way then I cannot be defined by others popular or not. Jesus was an interpreter of the interpretation. he was not the interpretation though interpretation he was. He could just as well have said “Not because I am Interpretation, though Interpretation I am.
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May 19, 2021 at 8:03 am
Elaine …………. it’s hilarious how delusional people like derekmathias and Leona are.
the latest from the Maricopa BOS had me lmao. they admitted they didn’t have the passwords and refuse to produce the routers. meanwhile, the “Dumbonion” company said they wouldn’t give the auditors the passwords.
so anyone with normal critical thinking skills can figure that out …….. they don’t want to give up the routers because they’ll show those magic voting machines where hooked up to the internet and the passwords will allow us to see the machines were hooked to switch votes.
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May 19, 2021 at 8:47 am
Paul…..have you seen this? This is great!!!!!!!!
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/auditor-information-deleted-from-maricopa-county-election-machine-has-been-recovered_3821692.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-05-19-1&mktids=3105569a7cb6d1104e1cb849a9f8a20b&est=QjIMnN9Lc1Ziab8AAiBAkvzehfVtp6ZUcQ3VmHUIBkDRPDglqOnZST0tY0nf7xY%3D
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May 19, 2021 at 10:14 am
thanks Elaine ……….. yes i did see that. and it again proves how delusional people like Leona and derekmathias are ———- whether or not the routers contain sensitive information or not (they don’t) …….. the senate got a court order sayin the BOS had to turn them over. the senate even offered to allow a representative from the BOS/concerned party to be present to make sure there wasn’t any sensitive info on the routers. plus the Dumbonion company handing over the passwords wouldn’t expose any proprietary information and the BOS should have those passwords anyway.
only a totally ignorant person can deny fraud occurred —– since Leona and derekmathias have been informed and still deny the fraud they are delusional fools or gaslighters.
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May 19, 2021 at 10:39 am
Paul, I will tell you what Derek & Leo/Leona are…..S-C-A-R-E-D.
Just like all of the other Leftist criminals who are being exposed….and speaking of being exposed, FAILED Dr Fauci is being exposed every day.
Fauci belongs in prison along with Bill Gates and the rest of the liars (including globalists George Soros and Mr Potato Head Klaus Schwab) who committed crimes against humanity.
Then round up rogue members of CIA & FBI and heads of BLM & Antifa and of course Hussein Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, Waters and the Biden & Clinton Crime Families…………..they all need to face Military Tribunals.
And that’s to name only a few!
Wow, I’m on a roll! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
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May 19, 2021 at 12:41 pm
Elaine …………. it’s getting exciting now for sure but the corruption must go really deep the way the BOS, sheriff and dumbonion are behaving
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May 19, 2021 at 1:08 pm
Paul, what does BOS stand for? and I bet when you tell me, I will say…I should have known that!” LOL!
And you are right about the corruption going deep…and far & wide too!
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May 19, 2021 at 2:14 pm
Maricopa county board of supervisors
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May 19, 2021 at 2:32 pm
Got it! Thanks Paul! 🙂
You gotta watch this when you have time…WOW!!!
https://rumble.com/vhadzz-5.19.21-feeling-like-the-twilight-zone-are-they-demsrinos-freaking-out-or-w.html
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May 24, 2021 at 2:19 pm
Paul, when you can, check out the Audit news from New Hampshire….
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/new-hampshire-auditors-new-scan-counted-only-28-percent-of-test-ballots-for-gop-candidates_3828337.html?utm_source=News&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-05-24-2&mktids=510810c3c0eeb99a9778e53c98c27521&est=4afm45ERQSl86VR7MG7Vxy9ymF%2BRo75aplglOQCBJ2q60cRZnAFuCu%2BTr7L8wT0%3D
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May 24, 2021 at 6:09 pm
Elaine ……….. yes great news from NH where the hand count didn’t match the magic voting machines and folds in ballots were shown to cause errors with
certain ballots. also the Maricopa audit is back to work with extra help and expanded to look at other races. meanwhile the libtards/rinos are screaming
bloody murder as the noose tightens.
keep praying ……….. because even some democrats are starting to see what
we knew all along happened —– massive fraud occurred and “the steal is real.”
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May 24, 2021 at 6:22 pm
And Paul, this is just the beginning. I also read that there are a possible 450-thousand military votes that were switched to Biden.
Morning Joe and Rachel Maddow are having conniptions too and they are just a few among many who are scared…..oh boy, I think the show is about to begin! 🙂
God bless President Donald John Trump!!!
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May 25, 2021 at 3:10 pm
Scalia, thanks for #128. I read the link. It deals specifically with this matter, so it’s not, in Derek’s words, “one of his ‘pants on fire’ falsehoods.” It would be the only one. However, I didn’t see how they debunked it at all. They simply denied it and quibbled over minute differences in numbers. They also said he claimed the states were responsible for this fraud. I didn’t watch his YouTube video, but in Lindell’s video, Dr. Frank claimed that the algorithms were the same throughout a state, not that the state itself was responsible for the fraud. Politifact (a clearly liberal-biased fact-checking organization, BTW) also didn’t talk about any of the other states that Dr. Frank investigated. They only focused on a few counties in Michigan. Frank’s claims go way beyond Michigan.
Politifact also focused on the voter registrations that exceeded the number of residents, pointing out that this can be explained by voting rolls that had not been cleaned up. While Frank did point out that the number of registered voters exceeds the number of residents in some places, he did not claim that this was always the case (it clearly wasn’t based on his examples), nor that this alone is evidence of fraud. What Frank emphasized as the best evidence for fraud was the fact that the same percentage of registered voters show as voting in every county in the state, and that the same percentage of voters by age voted in each county within the state. Why would Politifact fail to address the key argument, and instead focus on a minor point?
Politifact also doesn’t address why Frank was able to verify that 33% of supposed voters in one county didn’t actually vote.
What Frank did not explain, however, is how the machines could generate registrations and fill out ballots to match the number of votes that the machine switched from Trump to Biden. That seems like a big hole to me.
One thing Politifact mentioned that is interesting to me is the absence of any evidence for people trying to vote on election day, but unable to vote because the machine already cast a ballot for them. Could this be explained by the fact that the hacking occurred after the polls were closed? I don’t know, but it’s something that needs to be answered.
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May 25, 2021 at 3:27 pm
[…] little over a month ago, I informed you about some new and persuasive evidence for widespread election fraud involving voting machines. […]
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May 25, 2021 at 11:38 pm
The most stupid, mindless political pawn clown commentator, the sport of every wind. Hhahmahahaha
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May 25, 2021 at 11:40 pm
Don’t bring your phony Qanon conspiracists to Georgia looking for fraud that aint there we already audited several times . And we aint as stupid as your Queer Anons.
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May 26, 2021 at 12:21 am
L & L ………… lmao —– but you are bringing your libtard gaslighting here Hhahmahahaha.
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May 26, 2021 at 1:35 pm
Copy and paste even my laughter hahaha cause you have no mind of your own. You sold out your essence to your false idol who should be wearing bracelets in the next 6 months or so when the Grand Jury sends out its indictments; at least you still have a body unlike the followers of Jim Jones who killed his followers with the Koolaid you are now drinking from your Golden, pseudo-theotard calf idol with silver bracelets. Your neurons are fried rtce omelettes, the sport of every link El lame-brain.
Stay out of Georgia, you left Arizona in a shambles of destroyed voting machines that were manipulated but the righteous knew better…..now the tax payers have to spend millions to replace them by the Qanon idiotics.
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May 26, 2021 at 1:54 pm
PAUL…check this out……L & L?
That has to be Leo & Leona….LOL!!
NOW we know the truth that, that L & L is either bi-polar, possessed by satan’s demons with multiple personalities or going through a sex-change and cannot think clearly to put 2 sentences together in a cohesive manner.
Suck it up Buttercup L & L!!! The snowball of Election Truth is gaining epic momentum and just like President Donald J. Trump has proclaimed……
“THE BEST IS YET TO COME!”
God called both President Trump & Benjamin Netanyahu to be HIS leaders and all the lies, false accusations and attempts to bring them down, is only uniting the people to support them even more!
Does #17 know something?
Let’s wait and see….but more importantly Jesus Christ the One True God knows all!!!!
It’s a GREAT day to be alive!!!
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May 26, 2021 at 3:19 pm
Elaine ………. lol ——- could very well be. no matter what happens now ALL
of the sane people know massive fraud occurred on nov 2020.
hopefully unlike the warren commission the truth gets exposed so even cnn,
msnbc, cbs, nbc, the times, the post, etc…….. will even have to admit their error.
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May 26, 2021 at 3:22 pm
L & L …………. Hhahmahahaha. don’t worry your magic voting machines
weren’t destroyed in Az. just like your iPhone isn’t destroyed when you down load your pictures to your computer.
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May 26, 2021 at 9:45 pm
When Mankind was a child she grew in purity of trust so that when she was told by a figure of authority that Beliefism was the only valid state of mind. The Ogres of Egotism invented the Epitome of Fantasia, called it The Holy Tome, and assembled the Tome with the finest imaginations in the village.
They gathered everything that was Good, everything that was Perfect and everything that was Pleasurable. Out of the Spectral Threesome that captured the Essence of Everything they knew, the conceptualized Origin of all that there was, Life, came into existence.
Once the main characters were devised it was only a matter of time until the Decree went out that detailed the narrative in The Holy Tome and Religion entered the world.
The first Chapter in The Tome detailing all that was Good, Perfect and Pleasurable made it very clear that the Spectral Threesome, as wonderful as it appeared, was in reality, Evil, Filthy and Shameful. Which in turn dictated that all life was, by virtue of EFS therefore, created in Guilt. Everything that appeared True was in fact, False, and required absolution from the finest imaginations that revealed the need of cleansing from the guilt from which the very essence of Life came.
The Story is familiar to you. It took place in the Garden of Eden it was about the Tree of Knowledge and ever since the story was written the only possible way to get right with the Creator was to listen to Creator’s Messengers and accept the only saving grace of Beliefism, as told by the Prophets of Dreams.
The two main characters of Beliefism was El Lame-Brain the girl and boy who was appalled at the girl because he knew better and was called Paul for short.
Together they perpetuated a massive fraud to overthrow the anti-Beliefism rebels; AKA, the Democrat libtards, dedicated to liberating the “under-the-spell” know-nothings but believe-everything-theotards, and free them into the reality of The Good, The Perfect and The Pleasurable.
It’s a tough row to hoe because they have accepted their make-believe guilt by the Ogres of Egotism. SNAP OUT OF IT.
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May 26, 2021 at 10:33 pm
Paul,
Leo/Leona is drinking again…………
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June 14, 2021 at 11:06 am
Elaine ……….. im sure you heard but great news from America’s audit in Maricopa county. the hand count portion finished up with reports of 200,000 missing ballots ……. WOW that ties it altogether with the affidavits and the statistical data showing massive fraud occurred in the nov 2020 election. i can’t wait until they get the routers and see the final report.
lol …… yes s/he is.
Happy b-day to Pres. Trump.
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June 14, 2021 at 12:53 pm
Hi Paul!
Woooohooo Paul, yes I have heard the great news…hallelujah to God that truth is being revealed and cheating in a grand scale is being exposed!
Did you know that at the Maricopa audit outside of the arena, Christian patriots have set up a Prayer Wall to intercede to God that the cheating will be exposed!
So many more states are now visiting the Audit and we will see more results!
It’s past the point of “we want Trump back”………it’s more than that…..it’s we want THE TRUTH no matter what it is.
Sadly, the Leftist & Democrats hate truth…..they only love their agenda.
And YES, Happy Birthday to our wonderful President Trump and Happy Flag Day too! 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
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July 18, 2021 at 12:44 pm
Your on the right track with election being a complete fraud without a shadow of a doubt. In PA for example, I’ve seen (roughly rounded) about 7 trump supporting political signs about 4 sweet corn and fresh produce sold here signs and about 2 Biden supporter signs throughout the entire time I’ve been in PA. Joe Biden and Kameltoe Harris couldn’t even beat sweet corn. (Haha) and to comment on the “The sound of freedom” promotion video. The guy who is behind this production is running a money making scam via nonprofit organization, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit org, Tim Ballard and his operation Underground Railroad, when following the money trail, you will discover, as I did, the many links to other questionable organizations and the amount of money involved, many, including law enforcement agencies have been investigating this specific case. However, despite the most likely hood that this is not in the best interest of the children and they’re profiting from this more than helping the children, they’re are many actual people on the front lines who are genuinely in it for the children. And not to make a profit from it especially when it is right here in our own back yards child trafficking is happening. It’s the world pandemic friends and there is much reason to rethink your trust in folks in politics because they’re involved. Biden Bush Clinton. It’s a wicked twisted world
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July 19, 2021 at 1:07 pm
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/07/16/arizona-audit-74243-mail-in-ballots-returned-with-no-clear-record-of-them-being-sent/
time for arrests of the libtards and rinos & the military tribunals to start of all the traitors that stole the election from Pres Trump.
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July 19, 2021 at 10:27 pm
lol …………. the above proves libtards are not only delusional they are hilarious.
conservatives saying the same thing about those magic voting machines in the 2020 election have been banned and threatened and had their livelihoods destroyed.
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