I believe in the concept of heresy. To be a Christian, one must believe in a core set of ideas (what some refer to as “primary doctrines”). If you deny or sufficiently distort those doctrines, you are not a Christian and will not be saved.
While there are disagreements about which doctrines qualify as primary, most would agree that the doctrine of God, the doctrine of Christ, the doctrine of salvation, and the physical resurrection of Jesus are on that list. Most people would also agree that there is some latitude for disagreements on these issues, but nobody agrees on just how much latitude can be tolerated before one moves from the realm of orthodox to the realm of heresy. For example, many consider Nestorianism to be a Christological heresy, whereas others, such as myself, have argued that it should only be considered a Christology error. In other words, I think the doctrine of Christ is flexible enough that a Nestorian can still be considered a Christian and saved, despite his theological error.
Most conservative theologians would agree that a denial of the physical, bodily resurrection of Jesus is a heresy. I would place myself in that camp as well. However, I am given pause by Paul’s correspondence with the Corinthian church.
Some of the Corinthian believers denied that bodily resurrection was possible.[1] Paul had to spend an entire chapter combatting this error (1 Cor 15). Whether these people once believed in Jesus’ resurrection and later denied it, or whether they never believed it to begin with, we are not told. All we know is that at the time Paul wrote, there was a group of believers in Corinth who denied this fundamental doctrine. While Paul makes it very clear that this belief was wrong, there is no indication from Paul that he considered those who embraced it to be heretical, non-Christians who were excluded from salvation.
I have to ask, then, is it truly heretical to deny the physical resurrection of Jesus? The error of the belief is not in question, nor is the theological and practical significance of this error. It is a grave theological error. What’s in question is whether one who embraces this error can still be considered a Christian and still be saved.
What are your thoughts on the matter? What Biblical evidence would you appeal to in support of your position?
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[1]It’s not clear whether they denied the possibility of anyone experiencing resurrection – including Jesus – or just the possibility that Christians would experience a resurrection like Jesus. They may have held that Jesus rose from the dead, but Christians will not. This could be implied in 1 Cor 15:12-14 when Paul writes “Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.” Paul could be employing an argumentum ad absurdum, arguing as follows: If there is no resurrection, then Jesus Himself was not resurrected. But you believe Jesus was resurrected, so you should also believe that you’ll be resurrected.
It’s also possible that they denied the possibility of anyone being resurrected, including Jesus, and Paul is merely spelling out the consequences of that belief: It would mean they are still dead in their sins (16-17), that dead Christians have perished without hope (18-19), and that Paul was a liar since he proclaimed Jesus as resurrected (15). Whether they denied Jesus’ bodily resurrection or just our own future resurrection is an open question. Either way, they rejected a primary doctrine of Christianity.
January 18, 2022 at 3:11 pm
And exactly who decides what those core doctrines are?
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January 18, 2022 at 4:10 pm
If you deny Christ’s resurrection there is no point in believing anyone is getting up. If you deny a central doctrine of the Bible you are on your way to perdition. Paul makes it clear no resurrection no salvation. If Christ was wrong about resurrecting why believe anything else?
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January 18, 2022 at 4:50 pm
Richard, I don’t disagree with you, but this doesn’t answer the question. The question is about the Biblical basis for thinking that a denial of Jesus’ (or our” bodily resurrection is a heresy. And by “heresy” I don’t just mean theologically wrong, but that such a belief cuts one off from salvation. If Paul considered what the Corinthians were believing to be heresy, why didn’t he just say so? Why not demand that the orthodox Christians separate themselves from those who held such beliefs?
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January 18, 2022 at 5:32 pm
I don’t know why this is such a hard question….it’s very simple.
If Jesus said that He was going to rise from the dead, then that settles it. John 2:20-22
If somebody disagrees, then they are disagreeing with God, who by the way was Jesus. Isaiah 9:16 & Col 1:15
Disagreeing with the Lord has never been wise, especially regarding His resurrection, and basically it’s calling God a liar.
There, it’s settled, you cannot be saved if you do not believe in the resurrection of Jesus Christ because the ONE thing that is impossible for God to do is to lie. Hebrews 6:18
In fact, how can a person be saved if they believe that Jesus is still dead?
If you assume that you are saved and claim that Jesus dead, what are you even saved for?….it’s nonsensical.
Yes, Jesus Christ rose from the dead – Acts 4:10-12
“Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Thank you Jesus!!!!😊
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January 18, 2022 at 7:21 pm
TR – Interesting point – exactly where does it say you have to believe in the bodily resurrection or you are on your way to perdition…
Sounds like we have a heretic in our midst who is making things up as he goes….🙂
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January 18, 2022 at 7:23 pm
Elaine,
Wow! You sure know a lot about God – more than anyone else I am sure!
You remind me of a particular character in the Bible – “the little horn who speaks great things”.
Ειρηνη
Γρεγορεω
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January 18, 2022 at 8:38 pm
Greg, Shalom to you too!
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January 19, 2022 at 5:53 am
“it is impossible for God to lie”
Except that he has no problem forcing people to lie…which amounts to the same thing as lying:
• 1 Kings 22:23 So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours.
• 2 Thessalonians 2:11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.
• Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the LORD have deceived that prophet.
Can you trust anyone who tells you lies, whether directly or through another person?
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January 19, 2022 at 9:44 am
Good try Derek……perhaps if you comprehended these scriptures IN CONTEXT it would make more sense to you.
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January 19, 2022 at 1:04 pm
I’m sure you believe that, but usual all you present are assertions with no credible supportive evidence….
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January 19, 2022 at 1:16 pm
How about this Derek, someday when you are dead and your spirit is called Face to face with the God of the Universe on Judgement Day, you can attempt to question Him………………and good luck with that……………until that day arrives (and it WILL) you will have to be content with the sensible answer I gave to your silly question. Happy New Year!😊
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January 19, 2022 at 6:51 pm
Nestorius wasn’t a heretic. rccult members perverted and twisted what he said
to push their heresy that their queen is the “mother of god.”
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January 20, 2022 at 2:45 am
Certainly, Elaine, if that happens I’ll have a LOT of questions to ask (since nobody else seems to have any convincing answers).
But you asserted that I didn’t read those passages in context. Presumably that means you know what the proper context is (unless you’re just bluffing). But instead of providing me with that context, you just made another assertion. That’s not much of a “sensible” answer, now is it?
If you know the context, please present it. If you don’t…then why did you even make your assertion? Just bluffing because you don’t like legitimate questions?
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January 20, 2022 at 7:56 am
Derek, here are your answers to your questions……and remember, I said, if you study it IN CONTEXT, the your answer will be there….
Ezekiel 14:9 – is answered in Ezekiel 14:4-8
4 “Therefore speak to them, and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Everyone of the house of Israel who sets up his idols in his heart, and puts before him what causes him to stumble into iniquity, and then comes to the prophet, I the Lord will answer him who comes, according to the multitude of his idols, 5 that I may seize the house of Israel by their heart, because they are all estranged from Me by their idols.” ’
6 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Repent, turn away from your idols, and turn your faces away from all your abominations. 7 For anyone of the house of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell in Israel, who separates himself from Me and sets up his idols in his heart and puts before him what causes him to stumble into iniquity, then comes to a prophet to inquire of him concerning Me, I the Lord will answer him by Myself. 8 I will set My face against that man and make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of My people. Then you shall know that I am the Lord.
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1 Kings 22:23 – Derek, if you read this chapter you will learn that King Ahab (husband if Jezebel) allowed wickedness & idolatry in Israel.
So whenever King Ahab inquired of the Prophet Of God, Ahab only wanted the Prophet to tell him WHAT AHAB WANTED to hear, meaning to hear “good things” that would not convict him of his sins of idolatry.
So because Ahab’s heart was lifted up AGAINST hearing the truth no matter how strong it was, then God gave him what he wanted…a lying spirit.
Check out 1 Kings 22:1-23 and it explains it ALL IN CONTEXT…..
1 Now three years passed without war between Syria and Israel. 2 Then it came to pass, in the third year, that Jehoshaphat the king of Judah went down to visit the king of Israel.
3 And the king of Israel said to his servants, “Do you know that Ramoth in Gilead is ours, but we hesitate to take it out of the hand of the king of Syria?” 4 So he said toNow three years passed without war between Syria and Israel. 2 Then it came to pass, in the third year, that Jehoshaphat the king of Judah went down to visit the king of Israel.
3 And the king of Israel said to his servants, “Do you know that Ramoth in Gilead is ours, but we hesitate to take it out of the hand of the king of Syria?” 4 So he said to Jehoshaphat, “Will you go with me to fight at Ramoth Gilead?”
Jehoshaphat said to the king of Israel, “I am as you are, my people as your people, my horses as your horses.” 5 Also Jehoshaphat said to the king of Israel, “Please inquire for the word of the Lord today.”
6 Then the king of Israel gathered [a]the prophets together, about four hundred men, and said to them, “Shall I go against Ramoth Gilead to fight, or shall I refrain?”
So they said, “Go up, for the Lord will deliver it into the hand of the king.”
7 And Jehoshaphat said, “Is there not still a prophet of the Lord here, that we may inquire of Him?”
8 So the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “There is still one man, Micaiah the son of Imlah, by whom we may inquire of the Lord; but I hate him, because he does not prophesy good concerning me, but evil.”
And Jehoshaphat said, “Let not the king say such things!”
9 Then the king of Israel called an officer and said, “Bring Micaiah the son of Imlah quickly!”
10 The king of Israel and Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, having put on their robes, sat each on his throne, at a threshing floor at the entrance of the gate of Samaria; and all the prophets prophesied before them. 11 Now Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah had made horns of iron for himself; and he said, “Thus says the Lord: ‘With these you shall gore the Syrians until they are destroyed.’ ” 12 And all the prophets prophesied so, saying, “Go up to Ramoth Gilead and prosper, for the Lord will deliver it into the king’s hand.”
13 Then the messenger who had gone to call Micaiah spoke to him, saying, “Now listen, the words of the prophets with one accord encourage the king. Please, let your word be like the word of one of them, and speak encouragement.”
14 And Micaiah said, “As the Lord lives, whatever the Lord says to me, that I will speak.”
15 Then he came to the king; and the king said to him, “Micaiah, shall we go to war against Ramoth Gilead, or shall we refrain?”
And he answered him, “Go and prosper, for the Lord will deliver it into the hand of the king!”
16 So the king said to him, “How many times shall I make you swear that you tell me nothing but the truth in the name of the Lord?”
17 Then he said, “I saw all Israel scattered on the mountains, as sheep that have no shepherd. And the Lord said, ‘These have no master. Let each return to his house in peace.’ ”
18 And the king of Israel said to Jehoshaphat, “Did I not tell you he would not prophesy good concerning me, but evil?”
19 Then Micaiah said, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by, on His right hand and on His left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will persuade Ahab to go up, that he may fall at Ramoth Gilead?’ So one spoke in this manner, and another spoke in that manner. 21 Then a spirit came forward and stood before the Lord, and said, ‘I will persuade him.’ 22 The Lord said to him, ‘In what way?’ So he said, ‘I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ And the Lord said, ‘You shall persuade him, and also prevail. Go out and do so.’ 23 Therefore look! The Lord has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these prophets of yours, and the Lord has declared disaster against you.”, “Will you go with me to fight at Ramoth Gilead?”
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2 Thessalonians 2:11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie….”
Derek, if you read verses 3 – 10, it shows why God sends them a delusion to believe a lie…….more commentary at the bottom……..
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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Derek, the best way I can explain this in human terms is if a wife has a cheating husband, and she forgives him over & over, she tends to him when he is sick, she cooks for him, washes his clothes and tries to reason with him to be faithful to her…….but instead, he continues to cheat on her, bringing her syphilis, scabies, gonorrhea and more heartache & shame, so she FINALLY says, “I have tried to extend to you forgiveness & mercy and be the best wife I could be, but INSTEAD you have shamed & scorned me, so now I hand you divorce papers, and open the door to you to commit all of the fornications that your heart desires because I AM DONE WITH YOU.
So Derek, I have given you the answers to your questions NOT from my own opinions, but from the word of God…..I only share with you the above analogy about a wife & cheating husband to show my understanding of 2 Thess.
If you have any more rebuttals to the answers I have given you, I will ask you to study it out for yourself…..I cannot continue to do your homework for you when the answers are there for you IF you will take the time to research it.
I absolutely LOVE to have my faith in God challenged because it drives me to deeper study of The Word and deeper study of The Word brings me into an even deeper relationship with Jesus Christ….so in essence, your challenges provokes me to good works……BUT you need to do YOUR part and study and learn for yourself like I have done….and if your heart is TRULY open to God, you will find the answers to your questions.
Otherwise, if you are not sincere, then all you are doing is attempting to high-jack this thread and turn in to another path other than the original question which was “DID JESUS RESURRECT FROM THE DEAD AND CAN YOU BE SAVED IF YOU BELIEVE OTHERWISE”……….so Derek, try to stay on topic….Thanks!😊👍🏼
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January 20, 2022 at 11:14 am
Elaine ………. exactly — they take bible verses out of context to remain in their “delusion.” it’s very simple opponents can find a bible verse that they say proves them correct. and when you show using the facts they are misrepresenting that verse they don’t refute that evidence they just ignore it.
biblical example —- Acts 15: 20 is not in the context of dietary laws it’s context is pagan gentile religious practices.
biblical + logic and reason example the case of Nestorius —- he correctly stated Jesus’ 2 natures are united w/o confusion. therefore you can say ………. Mary is the mother of Jesus’ “humanity” but not His Divinity.
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January 20, 2022 at 11:27 am
Hi Paul,
You are right because taking a scripture out of context is why we have so many denominations, cults and variety of doctrines.
Learning the Word of God is easy if you truly hunger to know the heart of God.
Simply read it prayerfully, slowly and carefully, let it marinate into your heart & mind and accept it the way that God meant it to be understood.
If somebody needs a Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance to better understand the original Hebrew or the Greek, then use it, in fact I recommend it……..but please, do not isolate a scripture and determine your own conclusion……that is so dangerous and actually it’s forbidden.
As far as the duel nature of Jesus Christ, Mary was the mother of the flesh that she gave birth to…..the Eternal Spirit of God that dwelt within that flesh called the son, is the same God Who created her.
Honestly I have never studied Nestorius or even heard of him, so that’s on my
list-to-do! Thanks Paul 😊👍🏼
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January 21, 2022 at 8:19 am
THAT is your context, Elaine? You do remember that I’ve read the Bible cover-to-cover multiple times and in multiple versions, right? That means I read all the passages you posted above—in fact that’s how I found the passages I used for my evidence.
But the passages you posted only provide the reasons for WHY God lied. They don’t contradict my claim THAT he lied. And if God is willing and able to lie—directly or indirectly—how can he be trusted not to be lying to you?
“Derek, the best way I can explain this in human terms is if a wife has a cheating husband, and she forgives him over & over, she tends to him when he is sick, she cooks for him, washes his clothes and tries to reason with him to be faithful to her…….but instead, he continues to cheat on her, bringing her syphilis, scabies, gonorrhea and more heartache & shame, so she FINALLY says, “I have tried to extend to you forgiveness & mercy and be the best wife I could be, but INSTEAD you have shamed & scorned me, so now I hand you divorce papers, and open the door to you to commit all of the fornications that your heart desires because I AM DONE WITH YOU.”
That analogy doesn’t work because a betrayed wife doesn’t have God’s defining abilities, particularly omniscience. An all-knowing wife would have known well BEFORE even meeting her eventual husband that he would repeatedly cheat, and she would have known there was NO CHANCE he would change his ways. So if she married him anyway, then she couldn’t complain about his cheating, could she? She went into the marriage with open eyes, accepting his infidelity as inevitable. Because if she didn’t accept it, she would have been a complete idiot for marrying him, knowing what he would do. Right? Do you see how the analogy falls apart?
And that is the perfect lead-in to the context YOU evidently didn’t take into account (even though I think I’ve presented this argument to you before). To me, this is Christianity’s biggest problem:
If God exists and is ALL KNOWING, then by definition he could imagine any of an infinite number of universes, each with its own Earth and populated with the same people, except that they make different decisions in each universe. So, for example, in one universe you could choose to walk by a homeless person, while in another universe you could choose to buy him a sandwich, and in yet another universe you could choose to attack him, and so on. If God has an infinite mind, then by definition he could imagine a universe where everything turns out exactly how he wants. And this option would be true even if free will exists, since he could imagine a universe where everyone just happens to use their free will to make the “right” decisions.
Furthermore, if God is ALL POWERFUL, then by definition he could CREATE that exact universe. If he wanted Lucifer to stay a model angel, he could have chosen to create one of the worlds where Lucifer decides not to rebel. If he wanted Adam and Eve to live in the Garden of Eden forever, he could have chosen to create one of the worlds where they decide not to eat the fruit. And so on. Nobody would make the “wrong” decisions, regardless of whether they have free will.
But that’s not what happened in the Bible, is it? Instead, God DELIBERATELY chose to create one of the universes he could imagine where he KNEW everything would go wrong. He chose one where he KNEW Lucifer would rebel and Adam and Eve would disobey. He chose one where he KNEW the world would fill up with wicked people whom he would then drown in a flood. He chose one where he KNEW he would end up sending billions and billions of people to burn forever in hell for transgressions as small as simply not believing he exists.
So what does this “Infinite Universes problem for God” mean? It means that God himself is ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE for the existence of evil because this is the EXACT universe HE chose to create. Instead of choosing to create one where everyone happens to make the right decisions, he chose one where he KNEW humanity would make the wrong decisions right from the beginning, resulting in thousands of years of bloodshed, torture, rape, slavery and more. Yet he blames US for HIS choices? He has people tortured forever for doing exactly what HE decides they will do. So our universe itself is evidence that IF God exists, he WANTS to see massive suffering, and he clearly does not have our best interests at heart. I don’t think there is any way to escape this conclusion, not without giving up at least one of the following three claims:
1. God exists
2. God is good
3. God is all powerful
There are plenty of other problems with Christianity, but to me this Infinite Universes problem for God is THE most damning because it not only contradicts the notion of a good, loving God, but it negates any of the arguments used to defend him (including your “context” claim). So inevitably apologists end up saying either that God knows more than we do or that he works in mysterious ways…but these are just evasive non-answers used to short-circuit critical thinking. They do nothing to actually address the problem.
“If you have any more rebuttals to the answers I have given you, I will ask you to study it out for yourself…..I cannot continue to do your homework for you when the answers are there for you IF you will take the time to research it.”
That’s the thing: I HAVE done my homework. Back when I was a Christian, I read a quote from Isaac Asimov and another from Donald Morgan that got me thinking:
“Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” — Isaac Asimov
“A thorough reading and understanding of the Bible is the surest path to atheism.” — Donald Morgan
That didn’t make sense to me, since I assumed the more one studies the Bible, the more it would bolster one’s faith. So that’s why I studied the Bible. I also read countless articles from biblical scholars explaining the difficult passages, and read up on the history of Christianity. It turns out Asimov and Morgan were right. As long as you read the Bible with an open mind, doing your best to minimize your own bias, and thinking about all the implications of what is says, it becomes clear that Christianity is nothing like what you hear in church.
“Otherwise, if you are not sincere, then all you are doing is attempting to high-jack this thread and turn in to another path other than the original question which was “DID JESUS RESURRECT FROM THE DEAD AND CAN YOU BE SAVED IF YOU BELIEVE OTHERWISE”……….so Derek, try to stay on topic….Thanks!”
Oh I am quite sincere. I’m not hijacking anything, merely responding to the claim YOU made that God cannot lie. And that’s a relevant question, isn’t it? Because if God CAN lie, then nobody can trust him, which certainly does reflect on the original topic.
And I believe I have provided sufficient evidence that God doesn’t tell the truth. Don’t get mad at me for asking reasonable questions. If you have convincing answers, I’m more than willing to listen. But don’t expect me to just listen without pointing out any perceived flaws in your claims. I offer you the same courtesy. Fair enough?
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January 21, 2022 at 9:32 am
Derek, I told you to do your own homework from now on. I have no interest whatsoever in dialoging with you. Your reply to me is unread. Good bye Derek.😊
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January 21, 2022 at 9:50 am
I’m not surprised. Apologists always fold when they realize they can’t win the argument.
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January 23, 2022 at 7:50 pm
Nestorius’ only difference with Cyril of Alexandria was the word they used to explain Mary’s, er, ‘mechanism’ in carrying Jesus to term. It was literally an argument over the the words “Theotokos” and “Christotokos” (God-bearer and Christ-Bearer, respectively.) In the final analysis, Cyril didn’t win because his theology was better, he was just better at arguing. The terms “Christ Bearer and God bearer” are meaningless. They mean the same thing. Nestorius would have done well to avoid the argument with Cyril; he was clearly ill-equipped for the dispute. I do not believe that Nestorius was a heretic and even today I am amazed they spilt hairs and then categorized Nestorius’ doctrines along with the likes of Arius.
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January 24, 2022 at 11:15 am
Brother Jason, I think that 1 Cor. 15:1-2 answers your question quite directly:
1 Now I would remind you, brothers,[a] of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
The gospel includes the resurrection of Christ (vss. 4-8) which is something Christians must “hold fast” to as a condition of salvation. True Christians believe in the resurrection, false Christians do not. Thus, Paul’s subsequent explanation is an outgrowth of that foundational statement. Belief in the resurrection is a core, fundamental plank of Christian doctrine.
This ties into the error of Hymenaeus and Philetus who apparently affirmed the resurrection but insisted that it had already occurred. Paul clearly stated:
1 Tim. 2
18 who have departed from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.
Now, if it is destructive to one’s faith to deny a future bodily resurrection, how it is not destructive to one’s faith to deny a past bodily resurrection? It seems the two go hand-in-hand. Consequently, affirming bodily resurrection is an essential component of the Christian faith.
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January 24, 2022 at 1:18 pm
WOW, excellent reply Scalia!!!!!
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January 24, 2022 at 11:42 pm
Thank you, Sister Elaine.
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March 17, 2022 at 7:25 am
Jason, I think that Paul’s failure to discuss the state of their salvation on this question directly, cannot negate the actual fact that it does effect their salvation. Since he is pointing out to them the essential nature of the Resurrection for the salvation of all, it stands to reason that not to accept it is to reject the work of Christ on our behalf. He makes it clear that if Christ be not risen our faith is in vain, and you are yet in your sin.17
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March 17, 2022 at 7:03 pm
Hi Danzil. Ontological necessity does not imply epistemological necessity. By that, I mean to say that while it’s true Jesus’ resurrection is necessary for our salvation (ontology), that is not sufficient to establish that one must believe in what He did (epistemology) to benefit from what He did. Paul makes it clear that the spiritual benefits enjoyed by the Corinthians is due to Jesus’ physical resurrection, but he did not imply that their lack of belief in Jesus’ resurrection meant they were not saved. He seems to presume they are saved. He seems to be correcting the theology of Christians, not non-Christians. Given how extensively Paul treated this topic, it seems strange to me that Paul (1) never identified it as a heresy and (2) never gave any indication that those who denied Jesus’ resurrection were unsaved.
Perhaps one could make the case that the Corinthians denied the resurrection in ignorance, and that once they were corrected on the matter, they had to believe in Jesus’ resurrection to remain Christian/saved. While that may be true, I don’t know of any Biblical data to support that.
Again, I’m not saying I think this is an area that Christians can disagree on. I think it is a fundamental of the faith that is worth separating over. I’m just not so sure anymore that there is a good Biblical basis for thinking it rises to the level of a heresy, meaning those who deny it are no longer saved.
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