Those who espouse to a pretribulation view of the rapture typically hold that the rapture will be “secret,” in the sense that no unbeliever will witness the event because it happens so quickly. The Scriptural justification for this view is said to be 1 Corinthians 15:51-52.
Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
If this passage teaches a secret rapture of the church, it would be unique among the raptures recorded in Scripture. All other raptures were witnessed by those who remained on the Earth. Enoch was raptured to heaven (Gen5:24). While we are not told of any particular person who witnessed the event, it must have been witnessed by someone, otherwise people could not have known that God took him. Elijah’s rapture was witnessed by Elisha (2 Kings 2:1-12). Jesus’ rapture was witnessed by the apostles (Acts 1:9-11). The rapture of the Two Witnesses will be witnessed by their enemies (Rev 11:3-12). Why would all other raptures in the Bible be public, but the rapture of the church be secret? If we could develop any Biblical precedent for the speed of the church’s rapture, it would appear that it will be slow enough for others to witness it.
While an initial reading of 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 could be construed as supporting a lightning fast secret rapture, an examination of the broader context renders this interpretation untenable. The subject of 1 Corinthians 15 is the resurrection of the dead. In verses 12-34 Paul made his case for the bodily resurrection of the dead. In verses 35-57 Paul responds to two questions that the Corinthians were asking (or that Paul anticipated them asking):
- How are the dead raised? (vs. 35)
- With what kind of body do they come? (vs. 35)
Paul does not respond to each question individually in order, but both together. Let’s start with the second question first: What will the resurrection body be like? Paul argues that it will be the same body we had before death, but transformed from mortality to immortality, from perishable to imperishable, from weakness to power, from a natural body to a spiritually-oriented body, and from dishonor to glory (vss. 42-44,53-54). Paul offers a couple of analogies to make his point clear. His first analogy is from the realm of agriculture. Just like the seed you plant in the ground looks different before it dies than it does after it dies and produces grain, likewise our resurrected body will be numerically identical to our pre-resurrected body, but different and more glorious.
As for Paul’s first question, Paul explains that the dead are raised by God (vs. 38). Furthermore, to be raised from the dead one must first experience death (vs. 36), except for those who are still alive when Christ returns – they will experience this transformation while still alive (vss. 50-53). And that brings us to the immediate context of the verses in question.
I tell you this, brothers: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised imperishable and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. (1 Cor 15:50-53)
Paul is arguing that the resurrection is necessary because “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable” (vs. 50). “Flesh and blood” is a Hebrew idiom to refer to ordinary, fallen humanity. Those who are to inherit God’s kingdom must be glorified, and that is what we experience in resurrection. The resurrection, then, is the solution to our fallenness. This invites a logical question: What about those who have not died at Jesus’ coming (see v 23)? If, as Paul argued earlier, resurrection occurs after death, how will those alive at Jesus’ coming be able to inherit the kingdom of God. Paul assures us that even those alive at Christ’s coming will be glorified through resurrection, despite never tasting death (vs 51-52).
It’s clear from the context that the “change” Paul says we will experience in a mere moment is not a change in our body’s location (rapture), but a change in our body’s constitution (resurrection/glorification). Paul isn’t talking about the rapture in verse 51, but the resurrection. While the resurrection and the rapture may occur at the same time, they are not the same thing. The resurrection is a resuscitation and transformation of our bodies from mortal to immortal, while the rapture refers to the directional rising of our resurrected bodies from the Earth into the air. Paul’s reference to “in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,” then, is a reference to the speed of our resurrection/glorification (the change from mortality to immortality, from corruption to incorruption), not the speed of the rapture. We will be changed from our natural, mortal, corruptible body to a spiritual, immortal, and incorruptible body in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.
Some adherents of the secret rapture view may be willing to admit that 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 does not teach the doctrine, but will appeal to 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 instead. Here Paul writes:
For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15 For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up [harpadzo] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. (1 Thes 4:14-17, ESV)
On its face, there is nothing in this passage to suggest a secret rapture. Paul does not tell us anything about the speed of the rapture, but only about the order in which the saints will be raptured: Those who are dead will rise to meet Christ first, and then those of us who are still alive at His coming. Those looking to teach a secret rapture from this passage will point to Paul’s use of the Greek word harpadzo, translated “caught up.” They argue that it means to “seize suddenly,” pointing to other contexts in which the word is used such as John 6:15, where the crowd was going to “take him [Jesus] by force,” and Jude 23 where Jude spoke of saving some by “pulling them out of the fire.” Admittedly, harpadzo carries the meaning of “take,” and often by force. Noticeably absent, however, is any reference to speed. One must assume that seizing something by force entails seizing it speedily. This connection is tenuous, at best. Not all seizings happen quickly. Even seizings that do occur quickly do not occur so quick that they are not viewable! Being quick and being secret are not the same thing.
Even if one conceded that harpadzo included some sense of quickness, Paul’s description of the order in which the saints will be raptured does not comport with a lightning-quick rapture. If the rapture occurs in the twinkling of an eye, why would it be necessary for Paul to note that the dead in Christ would rise first? No human being would be able to distinguish the difference of time-order between the dead and living saints. Would it really matter if I am raised a millisecond before you? The statement that the dead will rise before those who yet remain alive would only make sense if there was enough time to truly distinguish who would go first and who would go next. A secret, or lightning-speed rapture makes these statements virtually meaningless, for only God would be able to observe the difference.
In conclusion, neither 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 nor 1 Thessalonians 4:17 teach a secret rapture of the church. This doctrine is based on a misinterpretation of the text, rooted in a failure to heed the context.
Keep it in context….
November 18, 2016 at 8:57 am
Jason I wanted to give you a quick call out on your latest post in which yiou made the following “typo: “:…..Paul argues that it will be the same body we had before death, but transformed from morality to immorality,
Just wanted you to make the correction ASAP.
I appreciate all you do!
Don Eames
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November 18, 2016 at 9:04 am
Thanks Don. Updated…
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November 18, 2016 at 9:22 am
you didn’t change the second morality
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November 18, 2016 at 9:43 am
Oif. Will do. It must have been an auto-correct feature.
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November 18, 2016 at 9:44 am
I meant second word – immorality to immortality
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November 18, 2016 at 9:57 am
By the way, T.R. it is a very informative explanation and this example may be the most significant of all the outta context passages.
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November 18, 2016 at 5:14 pm
WAS Philip raptured? Was Jesus raptured? Elijah? I don’t think so.
And it is obvious that Paul was not talking about any rapture whatsoever since it is a recent, modern term employed by Christian apologists. Yet all of the cited scriptures together lacked a proper descriptive link for almost two thousand years so a new activism arose. One day someone saw the word rapture, scratched his head and suddenly he was enraptured with the word and used it to describe a new church doctrine because the word rapture is found nowhere in the bible…nowhere. But now it is used to link and connect unrelated scripture with a common meaning.
John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism (“the Rapture” in the English vernacular). Pre-tribulation rapture theology was popularized extensively in the 1830s by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren and further popularized in the United States in the early 20th century by the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible.
Yet since the 1800’s Christians have used rapture to lump a bunch of scriptures together, tie them altogether with the word rapture and define it according to a new activism to link it to scriptures and the linked scriptures to each other disproportionately with loosely disjointed phrases.
After baptizing the Ethiopian Homosexual [a man of great authority], a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, in charge of all her treasure, Philip was taken away suddenly, miraculously transported (over thirty miles to the seacoast town of Azotus) in the twinkling of an eye………WOW Philip was raptured according to the “caught up and away” phrase, the Lord “snatched away suddenly”. twisting and skewing..making scriptures biased or distorted in a way that is inaccurate, unfair, or misleading. That’s what rapture stands for.
King James: the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip,
NABRE: the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away,
NIV: the Spirit of the Lord suddenly took Philip away,
GNV: the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip,
behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted Elisha and Elijah both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw him no more.
A chariot of fire, horses of fire, went up in a whirlwind, carried away in a tornado of the Lord? Come on.
Whether a secret rapture or an openly revealed rapture the context of the “rapture” in the cited scriptures has been misleading at worse and confusing at best, Christians ever since. Paul could quite possibly have been in the onset of a nervous breakdown from paranoia when he talked about the dead rising and the dead in Christ rising first. Perhaps Paul simply meant that those living a life in the absence of Christ could be called the dead in Christ, as the “dead to Christ” such as those “alive and walking, but spiritually dead in Christ”, “dead to Christ”, not “physically” dead in Christ but “spiritually” dead in Christ. The fact that those “dead in Christ” would rise first might make sense if the meaning referred to the “spiritually dead”.
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November 18, 2016 at 7:33 pm
S.O.M. It’s very confusing when reading your posts to know when it’s your words and when it’s Wikipedia’s words.
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November 18, 2016 at 8:35 pm
Don
Confused people look for splinters. I cannot unconfused you. Sorry.
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November 18, 2016 at 8:43 pm
Don:
But I’ll try:
These 90 words from Wiki:
“John Nelson Darby (18 November 1800 – 29 April 1882) was an Anglo-Irish Bible teacher, one of the influential figures among the original Plymouth Brethren and the founder of the Exclusive Brethren. He is considered to be the father of modern Dispensationalism and Futurism (“the Rapture” in the English vernacular). Pre-tribulation rapture theology was popularized extensively in the 1830s by John Nelson Darby and the Plymouth Brethren and further popularized in the United States in the early 20th century by the wide circulation of the Scofield Reference Bible.”
The other 494 words are mine…..
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November 18, 2016 at 8:50 pm
Oh and Don:
Actually 129 words were from the bible which makes words from me to be 365 and not the previous 494…sorry ’bout that.
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November 19, 2016 at 1:30 pm
Thanks for your amazingly detailed explanation
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November 19, 2016 at 2:48 pm
Don:
Thank you. I receive it in the spirit as a compliment.
Therefore am I bound. And further to disseminate knowledge: to those who ask, I give; to those who knock, I open; to those who seek, I facilitate. This is the directive from he who sends the children.
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November 20, 2016 at 8:13 pm
What’s the duration of the twinkling of an eye? Think Planck time. [In physics, the Planck time ( t P) is the unit of time in the system of natural units known as Planck units. It is the time required for light to travel, in a vacuum, a distance of 1 Planck length, approximately 5.39 × 10-44 s. The unit is named after Max Planck, who was the first to propose it. – Wikipedia] It’s also the unit at which time becomes indivisible.
The Resurrection of Believers
Grace to You
Published on Nov 18, 2016
Copyright © 2016, Grace to You. All rights reserved.
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November 21, 2016 at 1:13 am
FA:
The twinkling of the eye duration is how fast I see your post of another video seance from some outta this world ministry and go to the next post from WordPress…..and that’s the speed your posts are reviewed and zoomed away so fast as to make your head spin, by me…in “the twinkling of the eye”.
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November 21, 2016 at 2:08 am
FA:
You don’t imagine that God takes any pleasure in having a heaven filled with men and women redeemed in the life of his incarnate son who will be as useless in heaven as they were on earth? Stacked in bundles of 10, dusted with DDT once a week by a bunch of angels, do you imagine that’s what heaven’s going to be like? Heaven is going to be populated with men, women, boys and girls, who’ve been restored to their redeemed and now true humanity. And to this day I see no restoration to your true humanity Frank; I see no “resurrection” taking place in you Frank; it’s a sad commentary to have to say but you are still walking dead after all this time………and perpetuating videos of other walking dead of your ilk.
Because in the day that the Lord Jesus comes in the love the father has bestowed upon us through Jesus, that we should be called the sons of God; though we may never have deserved it, as guilty men, members of a fallen race, nasty caricatures, telling by what we do and say and are, nothing but lies about Jesus’ true mission on earth; yet, in the resurrection some of us have become aware of Jesus’ true mission.
But you are not there Frank……….not yet……..and I’m afraid your hill is getting harder and harder to climb and you may never attain the resurrection, the restoration, at the rate you are going because you are too steeped in the misrepresented influence of Jesus as preached by the false clerics who have taken away the key to knowledge, “you yourselves have not entered, and you have hindered those who were entering.” The only Jesus to believe in and you have misread him like some fictitious character out of mythology.
It is a shame say but in my judgment you have distorted the greatest man who ever lived. The Greatest Man because Jesus restored us to our true humanity. The only thing that can unite us as humans is our humanity; it’s the only truth we have in common and Jesus showed us that from where I sit because of where he sat and no matter how hard you try to flood videos from fake ministries who know no better than yourself, you cannot succeed and you will fail in “the twinkling of the eye”.
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November 27, 2016 at 7:15 am
Jason, that was excellent. I never studied that verse in detail and you have successfully debunked the whole rapture theology.
Thanks for keeping it in context !
Naz
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November 28, 2016 at 11:25 pm
Thank you Naz. But just to clarify, I’m not bunking “rapture theology” itself, but rather pre-tribulation rapture theology. There will be a rapture of the church (the church will be raised into the air to meet Jesus). The pre-tribbers just have the speed, destination, and purpose wrong.
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November 29, 2016 at 2:23 am
Jason:
I can’t believe that you actually accept the notion that the “church” will be “raptured”…..raised in the air to meet Jesus. This may have been the expression of the early church members as a metaphor to describe a supposed future event but to take this as literal truth is to take a delusion to its unnatural non-common-sensical conclusion that only asylum inmates could actually express a belief in.
I’m sorry but if this is your educated position, you are suffering from a delusional church dogma that no rational human in the 21st century should even entertain as being anything more than fairy tale imagination from uneducated, unknowledgeable 1st century ignoramuses whose understanding was slim to none compared to any 21st century elementary school child who would laugh at such cultish nonsense.
How can you perpetuate a hoax that is no more real than your image in a mirror is real?
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November 29, 2016 at 10:43 am
Of course you have a right to believe what you want and I have a right; indeed an obligation, to try and set you straight.
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December 3, 2016 at 3:11 pm
Leo, why wouldn’t I believe it? There is no indication in Paul’s writing that the rising up to meet Jesus in the air is a metaphor for anything else. What’s so strange about rising up in the air? Of all the miracles recorded in the Bible, that seems to be one of the least difficult to swallow. Surely a resurrection from the dead would seem much more strange, and yet that’s the cornerstone of our hope. So why would you believe in a resurrection but not in an ascension?
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December 3, 2016 at 3:46 pm
s/m,
The Berean: Proverbs 21:16
A man who wanders from the way of understanding
Will rest in the assembly of the dead. (Proverbs 21:16)
http://www.theberean.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Home.showBerean/BereanID/8680/bblver/NKJV/Proverbs-21-16.htm
From the above article by John W. Ritenbaugh:
Notice the use of the word “wanders.” God’s children do not ordinarily deliberately plan to go astray, but whether they do or do not, regardless of the intention, the result is the same….
Bluntly stated, Wisdom’s sage and exhortative counsel is, “Listen carefully and apply what I tell you diligently. If you do not, but instead live a life of sin, then the conclusion of the matter is that, in reality, you love death rather than life.” Since our calling, have we ever pictured ourselves as loving death? Those who do not consciously and purposefully direct their lives by faith toward obedience to God in reality love death!
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December 4, 2016 at 1:14 am
Jason:
“So why would you believe in a resurrection but not in an ascension?”
Very simple.
You keep saying resurrection from the dead but in fact it was the same resurrection ( remember the only sign that will be given is the sign of Jonah.
It was a resurrection from the “place of the dead” not from death, not from dead but from a place of the dead like Jonah said he was delivered from the belly of the fish, the sea, the belly of Sheol.
The ascension is also just as simple. When Jesus left the disciples he went with an entourage and was taken out of their sight, over the hill or over the horizon and they never had paved roads in those days so of course the hooves of the horses and beasts of burden and wagon wheels stirred a lot of road dust into the air “in a cloud” and that cloud took Jesus from their sight.
I grew up in a community that had no paved roads and in the summer time even a bicycle stirred a small cloud in the distance and the tractor on the way to the hayfield would stir a greater cloud and when a motor vehicle sped up the hill the cloud it left took the vehicle out of our sight so that’s a simple explanation so that people noised aBOUT THE CLOUD THAT TOOK HIM FROM THEIR SIGHT….AND OH, OH THERE KICKS IN THAT OLD SUPERNATURAL AGAIN.
And so mere natural explanations tend to get caught up in the frenzy of religious ritualism, superstition and that is what keeps the church in perpetual awe down through the generations and little kids believe it and they grow up believing it and thus does supernaturalism spawn the imaginations of children in fear and wonder and who are children to question what adults themselves don’t understand?
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December 4, 2016 at 1:20 am
FA:
You don’t have a position, and if you don’t have anything to say, and you don’t, so why bother?
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December 5, 2016 at 2:18 pm
s/m,
Simply to demonstrate the point: don’t cast pearls before swine.
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December 5, 2016 at 3:09 pm
(1 ª Corinthians 15:52 ” in a moment ” of the Greek “ATOMS” like a measure of indivisible time, that is to say that does not have parameters of measurement. Though the text does not support a secret kidnapping, we have to say that yes he speaks about something fast, and I think that it according to the context is the resurrection of the dead men and the transformation of those who are alive, on the basis of this I finalize to speak about something rapid, he would say that it is never very adapted so we separate of the Biblical context.
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December 5, 2016 at 5:04 pm
FA
Conspiracists have no pearls to cast.
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December 5, 2016 at 10:24 pm
Leo, I don’t remember what your theological views are, but it sounds to me like you just deny anything supernatural. That may be the rational thing to believe if there is no God, but not if there is a God.
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December 6, 2016 at 1:56 am
T.R.:
The rational thing to do from where I sit is to deny the supernatural but one need not deny God if one denies the supernatural, if you understand the God Jesus believed in which he explained over and over throughout his campaign as the only God there is, the “Father” within you. If you see me you see the Father, Jesus said.
“Show us the father said Philip, it sufficeth us”.
Said the Lord Jesus, “have I been so long time with you hast thou been so long time with me and not known me Philip? He that has seen me has seen my father”.
We remind ourselves that for the very first time since Adam fell into sin God in heaven could look at his son and see in him a man, a real man, could see himself, perfectly reflected. The word was made flesh, said John, and we beheld his glory. The reflected glory of his father, indwelling his humanity, manifesting himself, as God, through Jesus Christ as man. John 12:45: He that has seen me has seen him that sent me. So he was the truth about God. He interpreted deity. In the physical, visible body of his humanity he gave not only a physical, visible expression of his own invisible self but an invisible self intimately identified with his invisible father who indwelt his humanity in the person of the holy spirit and whom he allowed from within his human spirit gain total access to his human soul so that the father through the holy spirit could teach his mind, so control his emotions that the father in the son would direct his will and govern his behavior. So the Lord Jesus constantly testified: John 5: 19; John 5:30; “Without my father I can do nothing”.
Don’t you believe Philip that I am in my father and my father is in me? And the words that I speak unto you, I speak not of myself; the father who lives in me; he does the work; everything I do, he does; everything I say, he says; everything I am, he is. That’s why when you look at me you see him.
The theist God is the supernatural God and regarding that God I am an a-theist but I also believe in the God Jesus revealed as the “Father” indwelling humanity and if one can only recognize the God that Jesus called the “Father” and explained it, in that God, I am a believer. Jesus claimed the Father was within you and that’s all you need to know that it is natural not supernatural. And I also believe that Jesus debunked the supernatural God during the first public statement he made when he began his campaign; he read from the book of Isaiah…………….
If you click on my user ID in any post it will take you to my page, “in progress” which at this time has only one discourse. Click on the title, “A Perspective So Different” and there at some length I describe what I believe Jesus was actually trying to communicate to the world.
And why, what he had to tell the world, was resisted vehemently by the clergy bent on promoting the false supernatural God that still razes the Christian community today by the wrong and errant understanding of Jesus’ message as he tried to revolutionize nonsense religion. And for his efforts the whole religious community wanted to kill him because he told them they were all wrong in their characterization of what God was all about and where that God lived and why he was the God of the living, not the God of the dead.
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December 6, 2016 at 9:29 am
s/m,
Re: post # 29.
“He that has seen me has seen my father”.
* * * * *
Your comments may be heartfelt but you neglect or ignore one critical vital point. No one will truly “see” Yahshua/Jesus until the last day after we are resurrected/”changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye” [John 6:39-40]:
1 John 3
3:1 See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him [the Father].
2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He [Yahshua/Son of God] appears [at His Second Coming], we will be like Him [i.e., resurrected], because we will see Him just as He is.
3 And everyone who has this hope fixed on Him [Messiah] purifies himself [through the work of the Holy Spirit], just as He is pure.
4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness.
5 You know that He [Messiah, the Lamb of God/YHWH] appeared in order to take away sins [1 John 3:8b]; and in Him there is no sin [Jesus/Yahshua is without blemish].
6 No one who abides in Him [YHWH] sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him [Daniel 2:20-22; Luke 10:21-22].
Although believers in Messiah are declared righteous we are yet to be MADE righteous, i.e., totally sanctified/purified & glorified by the Spirit of YHWH. At present we continue to sin [Romans 5:6, 8-13]. Our crucial transformation/resurrection has yet to occur which shall enable us to know/see/understand the LORD/YHWH/God as He really is [Jeremiah 31:34].
For if by the transgression of the one [Adam], death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ [The Last Adam].
So then as through one transgression [Genesis 3:11] there resulted condemnation to all men [Genesis 3:17-19], even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men [John 3:13-15]. For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One [Messiah/Suffering Servant of YHWH: Isaiah 53] the many will be made righteous. (Romans 5:17-19)
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December 6, 2016 at 12:30 pm
FA:
Inaccurate, untrue and only the dogmatic view…you need to get “way not normal” to understand who and how Jesus truly was.
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December 6, 2016 at 12:50 pm
FA:
Here’s the short version of the truth of Jesus if you can get out of the wallow pool of conspiracy you’ve become enamored with by propagating falsehood whackos.
Let me try to wean you off the Conspiracy of #ReligiousGate.
The life of Jesus covers the whole spectrum of human experience. Since each of us is a human being, each possesses within himself the whole potential range of emotions, urges, fears, anxieties, appetites, physical and emotional needs, instinctual drives and reactions common to all.
JESUS: came to earth after Mary met Gabriel who came from cousin Liz’s place and told Mary that Elizabeth was pregnant with child John The Baptist and Bang, Mary herself became pregnant after being swept off her feet by the Spirit of Love. Gabriel!
Jesus was not content to wait for the “Coming” like everyone else; he challenged the Religious Establishment calling preachers hypocrites, liars & blood sucking vipers, was crucified for being an atheist/blasphemy, given to his friend yet alive, placed in tomb designed by friend, escaped through trap door.
After sufficient healing he fled with Mary Magdalene to Europe as horse entourage kicked up huge dust clouds that took him out of their sight.
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December 6, 2016 at 9:09 pm
Leo, if God exists, then belief that God would do supernatural things is not ridiculous at all. What is ridiculous is to think that a supernatural God would not do supernatural things.
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December 7, 2016 at 9:18 pm
T.R.
The thing is that you have first got to believe in a supernatural God and if you do, then to you, it would not be unusual to imagine that God doing supernatural things. But in my case I believe that the God of Jesus and the God I believe in is not a supernatural God but a super “natural” God such that the essence of the life forces at work in the cosmos allow for genetic adaptability to the environment is such a way as to determine how a particular life developed.
How that development occurs I have no idea but I do believe that when Mankind developed s/he developed according to the dictates of genetic adaptability in the same way that the life forces develop all other forms of life as we see in the diversity.
We might liken this for the sake of convenience to the analogy of the life form at the micro level becoming what they eat or what they are exposed to. Take bacteria for example. When pathogens are exposed to antibiotics not all of them die, some live but are incapable of doing so much harm…..eventually however, the antibiotic becomes part of the pathogens makeup and along with that it becomes more vigorous and then begins to reproduce again but with an effective adaptability that renders the particular antibiotic ineffective against it because its own “immune system has adapted and sees antibiotics as part of itself and so it becomes not so much resistant because it is merely sensing the antidote as part of their own makeup and so it survives and carries on with a slightly different genetic code makeup. Today medical professionals are worried about this, saying that antibiotics used way too often causes the pathogens to become resistant insomuch that some current antibiotics are becoming useless in the fight against these no-resistant superbugs adapting for survival.
I believe that is how we humans have developed along with every other life form. Though the life forces remain mysterious I don;t see it as anything more than a natural adaptability of molecules, atoms and particles working at the “quantum” level. For example, It started about five years ago with a practical chemistry question.
Little did Bill Poirier realize as he delved into the quantum mechanics of complex molecules that he would fall down the rabbit hole to discover evidence of other parallel worlds that might well be poking through into our own, showing up at the quantum level.
The Texas Tech University professor of chemistry and biochemistry said that quantum mechanics is a strange realm of reality. Particles at this atomic and subatomic level can appear to be in two places at once. Because the activity of these particles is so iffy, scientists can only describe what’s happening mathematically by “drawing” the tiny landscape as a wave of probability.
Chemists like Poirier draw these landscapes to better understand chemical reactions. Despite the “uncertainty” of particle location, quantum wave mechanics allows scientists to make precise predictions. The rules for doing so are well established. At least, they were until Poirier’s recent “eureka” moment when he found a completely new way to draw quantum landscapes. Instead of waves, his medium became parallel universes.
Though his theory, called “Many Interacting Worlds,” sounds like science fiction, it holds up mathematically.
Originally published in 2010, it has led to a number of invited presentations, peer-reviewed journal articles and a recent invited commentary in the premier physics journal Physical Review.
“This has gotten a lot of attention in the foundational mechanics community as well as the popular press,” Poirier said. “At a symposium in Vienna in 2013, standing five feet away from a famous Nobel Laureate in physics, I gave my presentation on this work fully expecting criticism. I was surprised when I received none. Also, I was happy to see that I didn’t have anything obviously wrong with my mathematics.”
In his theory, Poirier postulates that small particles from many worlds seep through to interact with our own, and their interaction accounts for the strange phenomena of quantum mechanics. Such phenomena include particles that seem to be in more than one place at a time, or to communicate with each other over great distances
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July 13, 2019 at 12:55 pm
I believe in the pre-tribulation view of the scriptures you referenced, and nothing you have written was sufficient to convince me otherwise. That being said, It is also my view that it does not matter. We will not know for certain until the event takes place. The most important point is to be prepared for it,”Look up our redemption drouth nigh!”
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